Coz we dont like foreigners init...
If someone moves from one EU country to another, are they really an immigrant?
If someone moves from one EU country to another, are they really an immigrant?
If you speak clear English as a first language and have the right skin tone, you are just here
Got an accent - immigrant
sun tan and accent - well we all know about them...
Anyone seen the mass brawl at the school in Sheffield? That school is right next to my parents place.
I think that helps to confirm my argument and experience in the state system as a student, that they have a ****ing poor attitude towards getting an education, that area is full of brexit voting zombies.
I think that helps to confirm my argument that they have a **** poor attitude towards getting an education, that area is full of brexit voting zombies.
Right then.... anything else you want to infer from that?
**** me. And an excuse for binning this bit of a mess is 'emboldening the far right' and 'fears of violent protest'.
This is a country that lost its shit over a pasty tax. I think there might be some 'violent protest' when Greggs runs out of sausage rolls.
Yeah. And it'll be all the fault of [the EU / remoaners / immigrants] (pick one).
the UK will be lowering its corporation tax rate to the lowest of all developed economies
Confirming what we already thought. Now, about those potholes that need fixing.
On the earlier subject of the aerospace industry, where I've just spent the best part of 20 years - it is one of the UKs manufacturing sectors and biggest exporter outside of financial services and the South East. There is a huge disparity between the big primes and the SMEs many who chronically lack investment in capability and skills - many seem to think they should be given work at any price and whilst we'd spend days advising them on where to make investment and giving them effectively free consulting and access to Government money they'd just ignore you. Any notion that the UK can simply access untapped export markets is living in cuckoo land - I used to deal with many of the officials who wrote the industrial policy and strategy papers and it was often just speculative, unfounded nonsense because they'd never done a day's work outside of Whitehall. We have a huge skills gap in technology and engineering and restricting immigration will only create economic damage as our education system is only delivering a fraction of the people we need for high skilled and high earning jobs - minimum wage seasonal retail and fruit picking is all the prospects Brexit can offer.
the UK will be lowering its corporation tax rate to the lowest of all developed economies
Yep, because we’re so far down the road of lubing up and bending over to multinationals there is no way back. Brexit just hastens the demise until everything is put out to tender.
Wait until austerity +++ hits and the NHS, education, police etc have to swallow yet more impossibly unsustainable budget cuts. Mark my words the mates of Tory ministers who run cowboy outsourcing firms are flush to the chest in anticipation of the moment that whole swathes of the NHS and education are forced to raise the white flag. They will be in there like a shot. There’ll be brochures, there’ll be branding, but ultimately they’ll cut corners to make a profit in the short term, screw the whole thing further into the ground, then **** off to get fat in some exclusive hideaway somewhere. Yet again, Joe Public will be left to pick up whatever pieces remain and take another pay cut to make it ‘work’ as best it can. This is why the likes of Liam Fox don’t give a shit about a no deal Brexit, because they will do very nicely out of it.
We are on the edge here, the predators are circling and I really, really fear we are going to blunder over the cliff.
We are on the edge here, the predators are circling and I really, really fear we are going to blunder over the cliff.
Apologies to all predators out there. I should have said scavengers or parasites.
We have a huge skills gap in technology and engineering
I left uk aerospace because it felt like a slow death. Slow pace, No investment, no prospects, everything linked to US sales numbers, doing the same job as a US person but at 1/3 the salary and twice the cost of living....
if brexit can resolve these issues it will be great for top talent BUT if it goes the US route expect minimum wage earners to need 80-100 hours per week to scrap by
Anyone seen the mass brawl at the school in Sheffield? That school is right next to my parents place.
I think that helps to confirm my argument and experience in the state system as a student, that they have a **** poor attitude towards getting an education, that area is full of brexit voting zombies.
BoZo constituency - I see a correlation !!
Absolutely bang on Dannyh. Corbyn quoted this yesterday while referring to Brexit - The Shock Doctrine - at least the penny finally seems to have dropped as to what is taking place here. Its a hard right coup.
The Hard Brexiteers actively desire the chaos of a hard Brexit. They long for it, as the resulting economic meltdown will provide them with the ideal opportunity to complete what they started in the smouldering aftermath of the last economic crisis.
They'll turbocharge austerity, and set about gleefully dismantling the whole edifice of the post war settlement, totally dismantling the welfare state, privatising everything in sight, including the NHS, torching workers rights and pay,. If they get their hard Brexit then we can kiss goodbye to a lot of the elements of a civilised society we take for granted today. They'll end the lot of it in heartbeat and turn us into what they've always wanted - a corporatist neoliberal dystopian outpost of the US
BoZo constituency – I see a correlation !!
Uxbridge went downhill once the RAF left.
It's funny, the Fir Vale school is actually predominantly non-British - however, a good portion of the local Muslim population voted Brexit because they hate Eastern Europeans. Supposedly that riot was a fight between the two ethnic groups, this may or may not be true.
It seems that the lack of aspiration and the "no hope" attitude found in a lot of working class communities is trickling down to ethnic minorities up North as well.
It's a shame that they rarely ever see what the actual cause is for their problems (poor schooling, lack of opportunities and a sense of persecution) and vote that way, instead blaming out-groups for everything.
They’ll end the lot of it in heartbeat and turn us into what they’ve always wanted – a corporatist neoliberal dystopian outpost of the US
They will. But unlike the US, they won't have nearly as much success in rigging the electoral system, so that's the only potential upside to this nightmare. In many ways though we're already a long way down that road. Strangely though 'the people' don't seem that bothered by it and keep voting against their own interests, both in general elections and referendums. As I've said many times, they will get what they deserve.
Uxbridge went downhill once the RAF left.
The RAF could now play a useful role in Uxbridge's future 🙂
More like Faslane mate, nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.
So, having read this thread with interest over the past days / weeks / months, I'm now posting in it.
I voted Remain, I live in Scotland. I still wish to Remain (or failing that live in an independent Scotland that is an EU member).
I see Remain as being the best option that is currently out there for at least the short to medium term. I do not see how any form of Brexit will be better for us as a country than the deal we have currently (i.e. EU membership) - and I have no desire to sit through many years of turmoil and hardship to see whether we would be better off in the long term.
So, my reason for posting:
What can I do to help achieve this? What can we, the people who's vioces are currently going unheard, do to influence the outcome of the current situation?
Write to my MP / MSP / MEP? Go to protest rallies? Sign online petitions? What of any of that will be effective in the fight against Brexit?
Write to my MP / MSP / MEP?
Ball is in their court at the moment. It's up to them, next up join a political party and tell them what you want
Well...those are all good suggestions, but before you do any of that, could you send me a large envelope please? (no smiley emo showing to insert)
I do not see how any form of Brexit will be better for us as a country than the deal we have currently
No it isn't better for the country, just a small number of highly placed people who stand to make a killing in the new unregulated utopia.
Write to my MP / MSP / MEP? Go to protest rallies? Sign online petitions? What of any of that will be effective in the fight against Brexit?
Do this, but don't expect a helpful answer, really depends on who you have as a rep. But the more that do so, those who are open might doubt the party whips and might actually vote for sanity.
Edit - brain fog/bsod
You’ve all hit the nail on the head. Successive governments have tried to ensure that profit is generated at every level of society, but have opened the floodgates to allow money to be siphoned offshore.
Amazingly, the post-Brexit Conservative government have but one policy - deregulate and privatise everything, thus exacerbating the very reasons why so many people voted Leave i’m the first instance.
If I lived in Germany or Ireland, I could watch it unfold with morbid fascination. Unfortunately, I need to explain to Stepson Two why his insulin could be hard to come by and may we’ll end up costing him more than he can afford each month, just to keep US healthcare happy.
Unfortunately, I need to explain to Stepson Two why his insulin could be hard to come by and may we’ll end up costing him more than he can afford each month, just to keep US healthcare happy.
Pah am you will be “free” like in the US. So free that if you lose your job you lose your healthcare and die. This “freedom” from socialist health will free you up to devote your life to your employer...
I am very pro remain but i don't think key supplies like insulin will run dry. I am sure there are already some very clever and creative people working out supply routes that will avoid extra customs checks and delays that will enable people to get hold of it.
Ooh look, here's one now:
He can get you some bacon and some nylons too if you need them.
I am sure there are already some very clever and creative people working out supply routes that will avoid extra customs checks and delays that will enable people to get hold of it.
Better call... JRM
It's OK everyone Baldrick, er I mean Boris, has a cunning plan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
"He said his vision would not lead to a hard Irish border, with any checks carried out away from the crossing".
To which Mrs May responds "You don't solve the issue of no hard border by having a hard border 20km inside Ireland."
For once I agree with her.
W T O
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1M621Y
GENEVA (Reuters) - The supreme court of world trade is close to breakdown after the United States turned down a last-ditch petition to reappoint one of the four remaining judges at the World Trade Organization.
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Three judges are needed for each case and all 164 WTO members must comply with their rulings. The WTO normally has seven judges but after a U.S. campaign to block appointments and reappointments only four remained.
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Trade officials say the lack of judges plunges the organization into crisis because if one of the three remaining judges has to recuse themselves from a case for legal reasons, the system will break down.
The terms of two more judges -- Thomas Graham, an American, and Indian chief judge Ujal Singh Bhatia -- will end in December 2019, which will leave China's Hong Zhao alone in office until her term ends in November 2020.
Brois says he would implement 'digital system's to the NI boarder, does he realise how difficult that would be to design, test and implement even after a deal.
We have until March......
does he realise how difficult that would be to design, test and implement even after a deal.
Why would he concern himself with that, he needs to recruit some new researchers first.
I am sure there are already some very clever and creative people working out supply routes that will avoid extra customs checks and delays that will enable people to get hold of it.
i'm not sure.
i’m not sure.
See the pics of who we think would be sorting that out and apply the sarcasm/satire filter
It’s pretty obvious that the “plan” for Norn Iron is for an intentionally leaky border.
Make of that what you will.
Brois says he would implement ‘digital system’s to the NI boarder, does he realise how difficult that would be to design, test and implement even after a deal.
Yeah, but......errr.......errr......err....... what we need is a 'can do' attitude...........froth......bluster.......
But Boris, even if there was the will to spend billions on the development of sentient robots and the hunt for enough unicorns to mount them on, they wouldn't make it through Dover on the day because the whole SE of England will be in gridlock.
Yeah, but.........errrr......errr......... cos 'magic'.......bluster.......errr.........you do believe in magic, don't you?
No.
Well..........errrr...........errrr....... you just aren't patriotic enough.........bluster.......bluff........now ask me one about letter boxes.......
And yet people seem to be gearing up now to push him into a leadership contest. What is it about him that makes people think that he has the ability to do anything more complicated than tie his own shoe laces?
A crack of light has appeared over the government benches...
Don't get Johnson wrong - the buffoon is an act. A very clever and scheming man with the common sense of a tree stump but very cunning / clever
Brois says he would implement ‘digital system’s to the NI boarder, does he realise how difficult that would be to design, test and implement even after a deal.
Pah computers makes everything easy. Just ask any numpty who has tried writing a requirements document. Although the pure digital part of it would be easy enough (assuming you dont use the normal numpties used for every outsourcing project whether government or private sector) its the chair keyboard interface bit which is going to prove hard.
Although admittedly I do like the idea of the fix for the border seemingly being "well we will magically move the border a few miles" because that will fix it how, oh yeah, magic, I guess its understandable though considering the blond muppet described the NI border as being similar to a London borough border,
Boris is planning to annexe part of RoI now?
Don’t get Johnson wrong – the buffoon is an act. A very clever and scheming man with the common sense of a tree stump but very cunning / clever
More brains in a pork pie. He’s a scheming, manipulative shit, mind. I guess that was your point. Emotional intelligence plus no scruples is a dangerous combo if you haven’t got the wit yourself to see through it. Given the how and why of Brexit happening, he encapsulates everything that is wrong in this era.
Boris is planning to annexe part of RoI now?
I was going to say "obviously" the border would be the NI side but on second thoughts since it is the blond muppet (I am against awarding him a single name recognition) who the hell knows.
Don’t get Johnson wrong – the buffoon is an act.
Dont know. To quote Ian Hislop
"people always ask me the same question, they say, 'Is Boris a very very clever man pretending to be an idiot?' And I always say, 'No.' "
He certainly isnt an idiot but being intelligent doesnt stop someone being a buffoon and a really good politician would have realised being a buffoon has limits in how far it will take you before becoming a liability.
He certainly isnt an idiot but being intelligent doesnt stop someone being a buffoon and a really good politician would have realised being a buffoon has limits in how far it will take you before becoming a liability.
I've met plenty of very intelligent people who are exceptional in certain (fairly narrow) fields of expertise but who I wouldn't trust to wire a plug never mind run the country.
Boris knows his core vote though: https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-stands-by-burka-remarks-accusing-colleagues-of-confected-indignation-11511406
Ensuring he appeals to the Tommy Robinson supporters...
He is indeed an egotist seeking power at all costs and with no regard for the impact of his ideas on others. However were he to rise to PM and get his Brexit ideas through, he might himself in charge of nothing more impressive than the national equivalent of Poundland.
Boris knows his core vote though
It is a gamble though isnt it? Whether those are enough to take him past the "that buffoon?". I am happy to admit I have bugger all political sense in terms of getting myself into power but I think he has painted himself into a corner appealing to more and more extremes. I still think he honestly believed the brexit campaign would fail but by supporting it would put him in a good political position.
That said I have a fondness for history and looking at the political revolution after revolution the one lesson that comes out is that most people involved at the time miss whats going on and get caught by surprise once it dives in one direction or another. With hindsight its hard not to look at some really intelligent and political astute people and wonder why the hell they miss the obvious signs but thats hindsight for you.
I still think he honestly believed the brexit campaign would fail but by supporting it would put him in a good political position.
His face on the day after the successful brexit vote screams "Ohhhh ****....what have i done now"
Lets hope those adults in the background have got it all sorted.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45676633
Boris now needs to put up or shut up.
Who the **** voted for Dominic Raab? Seriously.
Also, when the government comes back with glib statements like, "we are committed to achieving the best deal for the automotive industry" or "our plan makes provision for the supply of automotive goods", why aren't the workers in those factories on the doorstep of their MP with pitchforks in hand going "SHOW US HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT!!!"
We're all sleepwalking into disaster.
oh yes you are .
How people are not protesting more is beyond me .
I appreciate that in France we protest too much but you are way too passive .
Bystander apathy, that's how we roll.
Bystander apathy, that’s how we roll.
That combined with the "EU is punishing us" and "Plucky island nation that won WW2" narrative.
Tide is turning, 6 months is a way off. Merkel and Emily thornberry both talking openly about delaying. Tory party meltdown is coming. It can all happen very quickly towards the end.
Frustrating to have to watch it all play out for 2 years when the ending was so obvious.
I was in Workington this morning (my home town and on the face of it Brexit central - also Labour heartland). Nice demo in middle of town in support of a second referendum...
It's happening more and more, all the promises of easy deals and walkovers are evaporating and the very real chance of a hard brexit is looming, given that was a complete minority fantasy even those who voted leave are questioning what is going on.
Perhaps we are moving from No Deal is better than a Bad Deal to Remain is better than No Deal or a Bad Deal
Perhaps we are moving from No Deal is better than a Bad Deal to Remain is better than No Deal or a Bad Deal
I hope so!
In other news,
''The prime minister rejected calls for a public inquiry into the integrity of the referendum process last month, arguing it was a thinly-veiled attempt to overturn the result of the Brexit vote.
However, senior MPs, including Damian Collins – the Tory chairman of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sports Committee – and shadow culture secretary Tom Watson, have said the UK needed a probe similar to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 US elections.
Mr Watson said: “Mueller has shown that we need to follow the money – and the lies – to get to the truth about how votes are unfairly won.''
the very real chance of a hard brexit is looming
Funny how the language has changed. 2 years ago 'Hard Brexit' was not being in the single market and customs union, no deal brexit was 'Chaotic Brexit', yet now it's just 'Hard'. When did this happen?
Hard Brexit and No Deal are being used interchangeably. They’re not the same thing.
It’s another illustration of how clueless some people are about the whole process.
It's OK every attendee, journalists & MPs, party members have just had their contact details offered up to the world.
The spam opportunities are epic
If Rees Mogg were elected to be leader of the Conservative party, given that it would, in the absence of a General Election, make him the Prime Minister of my country with no mandate to be so, i would consider that a declaration of war.
One would happily be historically thought of as repulsive.
Besides blue passports, we can now look forward to the Festival of Brexit Britain...
That’s a pisstake yeah?
That’s a pisstake yeah?
Don't think so. Other news sites are reporting in including the BBC.
That’s brilliant! Only thing missing is the announcement being made by pathe news.
A festival of Brexit Britain. In Scotland. Bring it on.
I'm sure it's true. Cue Lancasters over Derwent.
May is on Marr just blathering. She said she wants to hear what objections the EU team have to the Chequers proposal. What? They haven’t said yet what their objections are? Seriously, after all this time?
She then said they’d told her what the objections are and then again said she wanted to hear what they are?
Trying to keep her little boat afloat. I almost feel sorry for her.
Marr has destroyed her.... pitiful performance
Andrew Marr has nailed it.
Oooofff Marr is in slat kicking mode.... impressive and then bangs in the Windrush video.
This is almost a Nixon Frost interview...
Looking forward to the Conservative Party Conference. Should be tremendous car-crash TV.
The Blond Buffoon knows that if he’s going to launch a successful attack for the top job, the timing means it’s now or never.
Is he overrunning Poland, or charging the guns at Sebastopol?
The Tories are a shambles, you have Bojo unable to answer a direct question truthfully, and Maybot basically embarrassing herself, EU must be really pissing themselves laughing at this performance
Must make a point of catching up with the Marr show on iPlayer, even tho he comes across as a condescending ****