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Possibly, but Brexies are professional outraged and whinging types.
Juncker got you Brexies, hook line and sinker.
Poor fools
Agreed. Treaty of Paris?exceeded its original mandate and purpose.
Oh, the irony.Possibly, but Brexies are professional outraged and whinging types.Juncker got you Brexies, hook line and sinker.
Poor fools
Shall I fetch a ladder so you can get off your high horse. Seems to be a common trait from the 'remoaner' camp.comments like the above make me think that brexit is just an exercise in ignorance and anti-intellectualism
flanagaj - MemberAgreed. Treaty of Paris?
The relinquishing of the Flemish claim to Zeeland?
Not that Treaty of Paris. [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1951) ]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1951)[/url]
Not that Treaty of Paris.
So the Eu can reform then? Just not in a way you'd like?
I think when people mention the inability of the EU to change, they mean changing the direction it is heading in.
Of course it has changed massively over the years on it's course to full political union.
Not that Treat of Paris
The one signed five years after Churchill made his [url= http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html ]epic speech[/url] saying [i]"We must build a kind of United States of Europe... ...The first step is to form a Council of Europe"[/i]
Original mandate and purpose you say...?
Of course it has changed massively over the years on it's course to full political union.
i suppose it all comes down to whether you prefer putting up barriers to bringing them down and integrating
Shall I fetch a ladder so you can get off your high horse. Seems to be a common trait from the 'remoaner' camp.
us proud remoaners are still young enough to leap deftly from our lofty steeds 😉
We have a natural physical barrier between us and the rest of Europe, it's probably why as a nation we are so eurosceptic.
We have a natural physical barrier between us and the rest of Europe, it's probably why as a nation we are so eurosceptic
Like Eire you mean? Though I agree with you, I think it's also something in our character. Empire and winning wars (or being on the winning side) hasn't helped with European integration.
Not being ruled by the Hun is almost certainly at the back of the eurosceptic's mind. It certainly was in my Grandfather's, but then he witnessed Germany's uninvited excursion into Poland first hand, so I can forgive his caution.
And yet ironically that was one of the driving forces behind a united Europe. To stop inter European wars.
No irony needed. Wars generally occur because one lot of people don't want to be ruled by another.
You can avoid war by surrendering.
And likewise the seeds of war are sown by division and tribalism.
It's certainly a tricky problem. But I've never considered working together for mutual benefit and peace to be a "surrender".
Wars occur for many reasons, but hatred and vilification of "others" tends to be key.
But I've never considered working together for mutual benefit and peace to be a "surrender".
Absolutely not, but then we're not at war, thankfully.
(Bizarrely I had a dream I was in a concentration camp in Poland last night, being personally abused by Hitler himself. I managed to escape to safety, much my like my Grandfather in reality, though he was shored up in Siberia. 304 sqdn, BTW)
Absolutely not, but then we're not at war, thankfully.
Funnily enough that's exactly what the right wing press are trying their very best to imply
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and Lynton Crosby knows that stirring up that kind of hatred is a powerful tool at the ballot box
So he programmes Maybot to get the lectern outside number 10 and attack Junker the day b4 the local elections.....
See also folk like chewkw suggesting that our nuclear subs should be part of the EU negotiations!
Nuclear oblivion - the ultimate in gunboat diplomacy 😯
Nuclear oblivion - the ultimate in gunboat diplomacy
Some of us always said that the reason we retained the Nuclear deterrent in the Royal Navy rather than The Army or RAF was because only the senior service remembered who the [i]true[/i] enemy was.
GrahamS - MemberSee also folk like chewkw
I'd rather not. 🙂
ninfan - Memberonly the senior service remembered who the true enemy was.
The MOD Procurement teams?
The government?
[quote=Northwind ]The fun part is that many anti-EU people seem to be able to believe simultaneously that the EU is incapable of change, but also that it's changed massively and exceeded its original mandate and purpose.
Schrodingers EU
Junker / English thing we have done before, remember the negotiations where going to be French 🙂
We do not care what langauge the EU uses, its none of our business post 2019.
As for change the EU is incapable of a change of direction, its a one-way project.
For the euro, yes it really is the EU, its central to their economic and political superstate agenda
[quote=ninfan ]yeah, someone reckoned that, but it turns out that in reality we have mutual friends and we, well, you know, sort of speak the same language - plus luckily we have known each other for years, in fact the past we had to help my ex out of all sorts of messed up situations, so she knows just how untrustworthy my ex really is.
So you might think, but that American lass, she's only interested in herself (a bit like you really) and has noticed that your ex is a lot better off than you. You might think you're important to her, but she's just playing you.
This government and the Brexit brigade are being jingoistic - look it up.
What reforms would you have like to seen implemented for you to be happy to stay a part of the EU?
If your problem is with some beurocrates which number so few compared with the 500M people in the EU then you're as deluded as we all thought. If it is because of 'uncontrolled' immigration then you're as xenophobic as we thought. If you think the UK can do better on it's own then I refer you back to the 'where does it stop' question previously posted.
What exactly are you (or the PM) standing up against?
Specifically a leaked story to the FAZ designed to embarrass the PM and influence the election, secondly the fanciful "exit payment" nonsense from the EU
So you're standing up to that!? Is that all? Wow, let's hope we see you in the honours list next year! Services to Brexit. Question is, will it be an OBE or CBE?
Have we talked yet about the potential for import duty on stuff from Canyon/YT and bikediscount.de etc? 🙂
Those newspaper front pages are certainly textbook definitions of jingoism.
sbob - Member
GrahamS - Member
See also folk like chewkw
I'd rather not.
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Have we talked yet about the potential for import duty on stuff from Canyon/YT and bikediscount.de etc
have we also talked about the potential for no VAT on bikes and cycling components in order to promote sustainable transport options?
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have we also talked about the potential for no VAT on bikes and cycling components in order to promote sustainable transport options?[\quote]I am not sure the core Tory vote will be looking at sustainable transport and green policies over say a reduction in fuel duty...
Air pollution report says they might.
And a diesel scrappage scheme in favour of EVs - £8k a pop.
Perhaps
Air pollution. Pfft. Let's just chuck that on the bonfire of regulations. 😀
To be fair, yes, it's an EU regulation aimed at not killing people.
The Brexies will hate it for two reasons.
Some of us always said that the reason we retained the Nuclear deterrent in the Royal Navy rather than The Army or RAF was because only the senior service remembered who the true enemy was.
My god....
Just when I thought you couldn't say anything that would make you sound even more imbecilic.....you manage to find a way!
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yeah, someone reckoned that, but it turns out that in reality we have mutual friends and we, well, you know, sort of speak the same language - plus luckily we have known each other for years, in fact the past we had to help my ex out of all sorts of messed up situations, so she knows just how untrustworthy my ex really is.
Sounds rather like your choice has been made out of not having a choice!
#lastchancesaloon
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have we also talked about the potential for no VAT on bikes and cycling components in order to promote sustainable transport options?
Are helmets still VAT free in the UK? No idea if any EU country has tried making other cycling kit VAT free, or low rated, or if there'd really be much of a fight put up by the EU or other member states if they did.
I like the sound of that!no VAT on bikes and cycling components
Are helmets still VAT free in the UK?
Yes as far as I am aware as safety equipment.
Given the ability to save income tax to buy a bike for a lot of people to commute on (which is widely used for frivolous off road bike that never see the works car park) I'm not sure that one is going to fly really.
If the reduced fuel costs, healthier lifestyles etc are not going to get you on the bike dropping VAT isn't going to is it.
The same report that the government tried to push back and back and back and back ?
Good thing if it happens.
In France you get a 200 euros grant to buy an electric bike. Even in a small town like mine, I see lots on my morning commute.
ninfan - Member
have we also talked about the potential for no VAT on bikes and cycling components in order to promote sustainable transport options?
Is that the one that's only being considered because the uk gov has been breaking EU emission levels
Don't worry that'll be ditched the minute we 'take back control'
I see that Darth Putin is upset that Brexit hasn't finished off the EU yet so he's being more overt in his efforts to help lepen....
EU takes game playing wirh the lives of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens abroad to a new level of [b]obnoxiousness[/b]