[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Please be specific

And, for the luvva jaysus, keep it succinct...your last post just went on and on and on and on and on and on...a couple of paragraphs* would be good for a start.

*easy on the bold/italics/smileys please.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

Drove in without stopping.

mattjg - Member

oh look, here I am passing through the "uncontrolled, open" UK border at Calais last week.

If you're all going to shout in the same direction, try doing it from the same hymn sheet. 😉

If you're all going to shout in the same direction, try doing it from the same hymn sheet.

Edukator's describing his trip to Spain from France.

mattjg's describing re-entering the UK (non-schengen) from France.

deadlydarcy - Member

Edukator's describing his trip to Spain from France.

mattjg's describing re-entering the UK (non-schengen) from France.

Yet both thanks to the EU.
Having your cake and eating it is the applicable phrase. 💡

Yet both thanks to the EU.

Good man!

deadlydarcy - Member

Good man!

Last time I visited an EU country I had to show my passport.
Last time I visited a non EU country I had to show my passport.

Yay EU!

🙄

Yay EU!

Isn't it great, Glad you're giving your shout-out!

I'd really like to hear some honest to god facts about why leaving is the best option...

You know, not hyperbole, not opinion but some really good hard facts why we are better off out.

I've not heard any to date.........

deadlydarcy - Member

Isn't it great?

I'm glad you've realised the ridiculousness of the notion, and that you take any criticism of the staunchly pro-EU rhetoric seriously.

you take any criticism of the staunchly pro-EU rhetoric seriously.

As is often the case, adverbs are the tool of the lazy.

deadlydarcy - Member

As is often the case, adverbs are the tool of the lazy.

I'm not going to entertain accusations of laziness from someone who has just avoided any discussion by using childish misquotation and piss-taking.

In other news,
Estoban Ospina in Bogata has just come up with a delicious new recipe for ajiaco, yay EU! 😀

I'm not going to entertain accusation

You've set your negotiating position.

mrlebowski - Member

You know, not hyperbole, not opinion but some really good hard facts why we are better off out.

We'll be free to negotiate our own, worse trade deals with America. When they feel like it.

Man, taking back control gets me [i]hard.[/i] There's nothing else like it.

deadlydarcy - Member

You've set your negotiating position.

That's quite good. 😆

In lieu of having nothing to say, it's [i]excellent[/i]. 😉

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I'm ordering mine in two-tone beige.

with a square steering wheel

I'm ordering mine in two-tone beige

Flash!

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🙂

I have to say on here and in the wider world I have never seen any coherent reasons for leaving the ~EU that make any sense

Of course, if we're picking pre-EU British cars you can keep the above, I'll have one of these:
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sbob

In 20 years I have never had to show my passport going INTO one of the 27 rest of EU countries - only to get back into the UK - last time I went to france no one checked anything - I just walked off the plane and into France

So when and how did you have to show a passport to get into one of the 27?

Last time I flew into Poland I had to show my passport.
It was no big deal.

last time i went abroad the only place that checked was the UK to leave and enter,

I'm not a frequent traveller, but everyone had their passport at hand so I would not be surprised if it was a frequent occurrence.

Not in the least bit troublesome though.

The last time I had to show my passport in Europe was years ago crossing from France to Italy using the telepherique between the Aiguille du Midi and the Torino hut. Which was a shame as I'd left it in the campsite in Chamonix!!

Not in the least bit troublesome though.

Unlike the queues of people waiting at the "Non-EU Passports" desks.

No doubt when post-Brexit Brits are made to do this it will be because "the EU is punishing us" 🙄

I have had to show it to enter the Schengen area in Amsterdam Schiphol airport, when changing planes. Also had to show it when arriving in Sweden, Finland and Switzerland on work trips.

GrahamS - Member

Unlike the queues of people waiting at the "Non-EU Passports" desks.

Will it be like the rest of the world? You know, the bit that actually exists outside the EU?
Should be ok then. 🙂

It will clearly be more of a pain that what we have currently and clearly the waiting times to enter the tu will only increase

Its hardly the biggest issue with leaving the EU but to pretend it wont be annoying/create a delay when folk travel is incorrect.

to pretend it wont be annoying/create a delay when folk travel is incorrect.

Good job no-one is doing that. 🙂

Its hardly the biggest issue with leaving the EU

Quite correct. 🙁

I've been to France Belgium and Sweden in the past 2 months and had to go through Passport control every time. In fact I don't remember ever not having my passport checked when flying from UK to Europe.

Its hardly the biggest issue with leaving the EU but to pretend it wont be annoying/create a delay when folk travel is incorrect.

Think about the delay for cars then consider the customs, paperwork etc that will face haulage and the implications for getting across the channel.

In fact I don't remember ever not having my passport checked when flying from UK to Europe.

This. Passport checked at Amsterdam, Prague, Venice and Alicante in the last 18mnths.

When I travel within Europe, yes they check my passport but it takes less than 30 seconds for them to look at me and then let me through despite my dodgy picture.

Conversely If I travel through Turkey there are probably about 4 5plus min checks and then if I go to the US they take fingerprints and ask me random questions.

Hopefully we don't end up in the latter category by posturing and threatening to pull out of the joint security arrangements.

your passport is always checked* on arrival in an EU country when flying from the UK.

* I say checked , but a lot of the time you just get waved through with a cursory glance.

Man who says he's "not a frequent traveller" reassures everyone this won't be an issue. 😆

It's a minor annoyance at best for folk going to the continent once a year.

I suspect it'll be slightly more of an annoyance for folk who make that trip weekly, especially if they have to start faffing about with visas, entry questionnaires, biometrics etc.

It's not really a reason to stay in the EU - it's just one more little niggle for once we leave (which will no doubt be blamed on the EU).

GrahamS - Member

Man who says he's "not a frequent traveller" reassures everyone this won't be an issue.

Correct.
I only travel abroad a few times a year at most and have never had to endure significant queues.
Not that I was professing to be the oracle of international travel, just sharing a different experience with a poster (though I seem to have had similar experiences to more), but I appreciate you can't help yourself. 🙂

Travel much?

* I say checked , but a lot of the time you just get waved through with a cursory glance.

That's the point - it's quickly checked because as an EU citizen you have the right to enter the country. If they have to start checking your precise immigration status, visa expiry date and whatnot it will get a lot more tiresome.

Julians - not true. Many times I have gone straight in with no passport check - yes its checked leaving the UK but not entering France. Last summer I simply walked off the plane and into France. Not even anyone on duty to check passports

Travel much?

Nope. If you read what I say, I'm pointing out that [i]people who do travel a lot[/i] will naturally be more inconvenienced.

have never had to endure significant queues.

You're very lucky then. My most recent trip was in February and on the way back we queued for security at Geneva airport for over two hours. The queue was so long that they opened the fire doors so they could loop it out the building twice!

I can't imagine that situation would have been improved by additional security checks, visas, entry questionnaires, etc!

My experience is go to EU - 5-10 minutes at passport control

Go to USA - can be an hour or more, rarely less than 30 minutes

Not the biggest issue, but not an improvement.

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BTW of course EU can formally commence negotiations for a trade arrangement with the US before the UK as we are prevented until 2019. I'll wgaer we get our deal signed before they do.

I'll wgaer we get our deal signed before they do.