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Our focus will be global with a desire for a sensible deal with the EU and a transition period. If one is not available then we move on with WTO.
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There is a plan, read TM's letter.
That letter is not a plan, it's an aspirational statement. Flippin eck Jam... If I put forward a plan saying that I was going to invest wisely and become a millionaire, you'd be pretty sceptical wouldn't you?
This is no different.
1) Agreed. What Remainers ignore is the massive cost and risk of staying in the EU
It's far from perfect and many criticisms are valid but it's worked pretty well the last 40 years overall. The most prosperous free trade area in history and I'd say they best place to live on the planet for the non-serious wealthy.
Unscheduled announcement from No 10 in 15 minutes, speculation of a GE in June.
Brexit Paused. Please come back June 9th 2017
What Remainers ignore is the massive cost and risk of staying in the EU
Vs the even bigger & unknown risk of leaving.
There is a plan
No, there isn't - just a load of wishful thinking.
speculation of a GE in June.
Bit short notice but it would make sense: there is little in the way of effective opposition and a GE win would let them claim (to the public and the EU) that [b]"everyone"[/b] was now 100% behind Brexit and that the "Will of the people" was stronger than ever.
Strategically good move from the Tories' POV I suspect. Everything points to them romping on FPTP.
Referendum 2 on 8th June then?
I agree the Tories will romp home - but a general election frees MPs from any constraint imposed by June 23 last year.
Will there be a pro-Brexit majority in parliament?
Time to get campaigning folks.
Referendum 2 on 8th June then?
Does seem likely to be a single issue election - but would any credible party actually stand on a promise stopping Brexit entirely? LibDems maybe?
one for jamba
if only those unicorns would turn up
GrahamS - Member
Referendum 2 on 8th June then?
Does seem likely to be a single issue election - but would any credible party actually stand on a promise stopping Brexit entirely? LibDems maybe?
2nd referendum on deal offered?
Smart move. In the absence of anything even approaching a credible alternative, Tories will get in again and then have 4-5 uninterrupted years to continue the Brexit train crash, privitising various bits and pieces (like the NHS) as they go.
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No mention of a Yorkshire referendum vote though. Typical selfish tory's.
Do not discount the voters, the tories could lose their overall majority. Things are not going as well for them as you think, if you take away the Brexit noise what good are they doing.
if you take away the Brexit noise what good are they doing
No-one is doing ANYTHING becasue ****ing Brexit is taking up all the resources of all the departments.
Can't find it right now but there was an article in the papers maybe a month or so ago about the shortfall in resources needed to do the regular day-to-day running the country while simultaneously trying to re-write 40 years of laws, treaties, agreements and unravel the consequences of all of that.
I wonder who Putin supports
Interesting to see what matters to people, NHS, Brexit, Schools etc.
If you want Brexit Labour and Tory both seem to be going for it, but if you care about the NHS?
The Tories will walk it, more interested to see how badly Labour do and Farage needs a new job so i guess he will be mouthing off as usual.....
"I wonder who Putin supports" I hope its a free and independent Yorkshire.
When I was a kid I used to think politics was dull.
I wish.
Come on this thread has given a great example to all. Its not politics's thats fun, writing complete bollocks that's the best fun.
I'm still waiting for the BrexiteerMorons to Leave the Country.
I shall be voting for an Intellectual Political System and Party.
Come on this thread has given a great example to all. Its not politics's thats fun, writing complete bollocks that's the best fun.
Right now I'm trying to invent a pitch to ally Her Majesties Republic of SurreyShire to your free and independent Yorkshire.
You have water, we have lots of, errr, stockbrokers and expensive houses, and some trees and the M25.
(No that's not going to do it).
How about this - imagine a world where every beer tap was equipped with instantly switchable sparkler. Let the drinker take back control!
Nailed it.
May be fun for you mt but a pain in the arse for people having to skim over your posts.
Hang on a minute.
Post Brexit, are Hope-equipped Orange bikes going to become significantly cheaper than imported bikes?
That may change my opinion.
Not quite Moly. Other bikes are going to become considerably more expensive. (So are Oranges - that alloy is imported you know)
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Maybe UK built steel then. Made from Welsh iron ore hand-mined by children.
What Remainers ignore is the massive cost and risk of staying in the EU
Would you like to quantify both?
Maybe UK built steel then. Made from Welsh iron ore hand-mined by children.
If they'd bothered to get out of bed and vote they wouldn't be down the hole.
Would you like to quantify both?
£350m/w, Shirley...
"How about this - imagine a world where every beer tap was equipped with instantly switchable sparkler. Let the drinker take back control!"
Not sure, everyone knows a Yorkshire like a bit of (a) Head.
@ thecaptain - Member
"May be fun for you mt but a pain in the arse for people having to skim over your posts."
? What have a read of some of the other posts on here, I have raised the tone.
£350m/w, Shirley...
Of course, silly me.
As I posted on the other thread.
IMO Tory Manifesto will enshrine May's Brexit objectives letter and "no deal better than bad deal". Clear about leaving THE single market and Customs Union. Clear that workers rights will be protected for the life of the Parliament. Molgrips wanted a Brexit plan and this GE is going to lay that out clearly.
May is going to come out of this much stronger with a longer term mandate (2022 vs 2020) allowing more global trade deals to be done ahead of the next GE.
Onwards and Upwards.
100 % correct Jambalaya .
with one big issue .
Brexit is now real . Leave voters want to see results , they dont want to be told that immigration wont go down , they dont want to see pries go up , services cut down etc...
[url= http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-18/deutsche-bank-early-elections-are-gamechanger-we-are-closing-our-bearish-gbp-trades ]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-18/deutsche-bank-early-elections-are-gamechanger-we-are-closing-our-bearish-gbp-trades[/url]
Deutsch bank have an interesting take on the timing.
To paraphrase, May has just shafted the Hard Brexiters.
Anyway the NHS is well and truly shafted...
Nah. It's party before country. She's banking the political capital of a toothless opposition and a lead in the polls. It's nothing to do with Brexit. She doesn't care about Brexit, her job is to keep the Tories in power. If that's over a wasteland so be it.
I wouldn't be too comfy if I was a rabid leaver. I think it makes brexit more likely but also gives her room to back pedal on harshness if the winds start to blow against the party. Assuming she wins of course.
At heart it's a hack on FPTP and a disregard of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act and exploiting Corbyn's under the table brexit desire.
..To paraphrase, May has just shafted the Hard Brexiters.
Yup that's how I see it
The negotiations will expose how weak our hand is, that's why she has to rush through a GE before they start
It's amazing how gullible the Brexies are, it's been obvious the gov are shitting it,the Brexiters balking on the select committee report, Davis and May reversing on immigration, Fox being sent to woo Duerte!
The crazy thing is
Trump, brexshit etc have shown that the turkeys just keep hitting the ballot box
Agreed, it also screws any argument for Scotland not having a referendum, won't help NI.
And i don't think the tories will get the resounding mandate the polls suggest.
Strategically it's the right thing to do for the Tory party. Gifted to her by Corbyn, it's a smart move but doesn't take a genius (I don't think she's that smart actually), it was right on the table in front of her, all she had to do was pick it up.
Talk of parliament blocking brexit is BS, Corbyn waved it through!
which is why she must do it now before all that comes homes to roost and the trade deals of jambys exuberantly child like optomstic imagination fail to materialiseBrexit is now real . Leave voters want to see results , they dont want to be told that immigration wont go down , they dont want to see pries go up , services cut down etc...
She is making sure she does not have to face the electorate at the peak of the shit storm basically
It's a poker player having the smarts to cash out while they're well up because they got a couple of lucky hands and the other players are stupid.
That's it really.
Brexit is now real . Leave voters want to see results , they dont want to be told that immigration wont go down , they dont want to see pries go up , services cut down etc...
Dood get real. She said how many times no snap election?
If it suits her she'll shaft you as quickly as she has the rest.
PM May is absolutely right in her approach to unite the country.
I support her totally.
She is making sure she does not have to face the electorate at the peak of the shit storm basically
Yup, politically astute. Again.
In 2020, either we'll be out on our arse and stuggling to grab the loose ends, or in some kind of transition period to smooth things along. Either would mean lost voters for the Tories.