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Why? We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them. You refused to believe this, and carried on ignoring them. Now you pay the price.
Nice sentiment.
What do you hope to achieve by it?
milleboy - Member
Well denialists is one word for them
Or in fairness we all are on both sides. 😛
Ninfan - memberWhy? We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them. You refused to believe this, and carried on ignoring them. Now you pay the price.
I'm not totally sure what to make of this statement. But I think it's probably bad.
what did they win then ?
A lower quality of life!
I'm not totally sure what to make of this statement. But I think it's probably bad.
That the poster in question is a vindictive troll?
At least Jamabalaya has something to say, misguided as it is to me, other than variants of "we won you lost get over it".
Yes that's a fair point.
Yes, but not as bad as bureaucrats from 27 nations ...
That may well be your opinion. it's not mine.
Reminded this evening of Uncle Monty in Withnail and I. “Shat on by Tories, shovelled up by Labour”.
Does that make you exactly 30 years too late? 😉
kelvin - MemberI could...
Still nothing.
There's nothing wrong with having nothing to add kelvin, it's just silly to pretend that you have. 🙂
Good lord, Davis is so dim he thinks relocation of the EMA and EBA is a negotiation matter. Seriously.
https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/853823607000244227
They live in an alternate reality don't they?
I've spent a lot of time pondering the country's fault lines on Brexit, and had boiled it down to young vs old, city vs town & country, and open minded vs closed minded.
But it's not that at all is it? It's realist vs fantasist isn't it.
How does one negotiate with a fantasist?
How does one negotiate with a fantasist?
Offer them unicorns?
But you are right, the level of delusion displayed by many is pretty shocking.
Is your question Matt (that you haven't asked) does Brexy equal Walter Mitty? Well evil nasty Walter Mitty anyway - Mitty was after all essentially harmless.
If so, then the answer is quite possibly, yes.
The question was largely rhetorical - even after all this time I'm staggered the person leading this is starting from a point so divorced from reality. Just wow.
His starting position is so fundamentally bizarre how can anyone, even those supporting Brexit, possibly feel this will end well?
So given that I'm flailing about trying to find a way forwards.
Matt - don't bother. The Brexies will destroy themselves. They are dyed in the wool whiners and complainers, great at point out what is wrong with the things others build - but no good at building things themselves.
From their collapse into bickering, hope will arise and it won't be led by Brexies.
How long? We'll see.
The only thing that might keep them together is a common enemy - hence the Brexy press trying to portray the EU moving EU institutions inside long term EU boundaries as some sort of "punishment".
Stay disunited, use confusion and make them fight on a miriad of micro-fronts. Don't give them a single enemy to unity against.
Get on to your local MP, councillor, businesses, schools and get your point across to them. Offer to speak at local groups - churches, scouts, whoever is active in your area. And tell them why the Brexies are wrong.
The Brexies will die out and the green shoots will rise up. Talk to the young make them understand why they need to vote the has beens of Brexit out of every office in the country.
Thanks for the positivity, it does help.
In a democracy, a movement that can't see the dissonance between WWYLGOI and "now we need you to get behind this" contains the seeds of its own doom.
I assume of course everyone is aware that post-A50 and free of the oppressive yoke of Westminster, the EU is exerting its new found "sovereignty" to move European organisations out of London.
#TakeBackControl (to Brussels) 😉
What did we think was going to happen?
My next prediction is there'll be a Brexy along in a minute to say we didn't want them anyway and How moving those bodies elsewhere is actually good for the UK. Or perhaps that the EU are just bluffing.
Keep taking the crazy pills Brexies. 😉
What did we think was going to happen?
They would love us for ever....
Simply that though everything which is in the interest of the EU is now a punishment, every thing we give up in a negotiation is a beating and vindictive. Whereas anything the UK gains will be a deserved and well earned result.
So now there's no chance of Turkey joining, can we have another referendum?
can we have another referendum?
No, at least certainly not yet. Most morons haven't paid any attention and don't realise what is going on. It'll take at least another year, maybe much more, before it becomes sufficiently obvious even to the terminally dense ****s who voted for it firsts time round, that it's an utter disaster.
Just out of interest. If we have not reached the leave point of Brexit yet how do you know it's an utter disaster? I mean can you see the future? If so have you thought of a way you can capitalise on that talent. Also if you can see the future could you tell me this, will Yorkshire finally gain a referendum on its independence and will the independence campaign win the the popular vote. Thanks in advance.
No, at least certainly not yet. Most morons haven't paid any attention and don't realise what is going on. It'll take at least another year, maybe much more, before it becomes sufficiently obvious even to the terminally dense **** who voted for it firsts time round, that it's an utter disaster.
They don't all need to change their minds though. In fact if the franchise was extended to 16 & 17 year olds, alongside the demographic affect in the meantime, means very few for a simple majority, or even to beat the 51.89%
Mathematically that would do it.
Constitutionally, who knows.
Finally I can only quote our good Mr Farage: '52-48 result would be unfinished business'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
mt - one has a point methinks. Hence why I take Brexies like Jamba telling me it's all going swimmingly with a huge pinch of salt. But to be fair to Jamba, ninfan, chewkw et al they have to put a positive spin on it really - the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
mt - on a daily basis we see the loss of influence and anticipation of economic damage. Losing EBA and EMA being just one recent small example.
'May said "god would have voted leave" and because its easter I'm inclined to believe her
alternative point of view
the Koreans (north) seem to be doing well out of being insular ,not sure about the natives but the leaders all seem to eat well
I thought it would be obvious that EU agencies would move out of UK. Sooner the better frankly. Hopefully the EIB will follow asap. It is just too embarrasing for the EU to have EU bodies in UK so they'll all go. The EU's real problem is how they are going to pay for the relocation costs, lease exit clauses and then of course on-going expenses when their second largest contributor has gone and is paying zero.
Not a single ounce of salt @igm , compare the project Amrageddon predictions to reality. Look at the humble pie the IMF and OECD have very publically eaten and the damage to HM Treasury caused by their ludicrous projections.
I see Lloyds have confrimed they will change the status of the Beelin Office (with 300 staff) from branch to subsidiary to allow them to retain an EU presence. French press have confirmed that aside from HSBC no one else is intending to move anyone to Paris.
Sooner the better frankly.
Right on que............
Britain is fighting to remain the home of two of the EU’s most prestigious agencies covering medicines and banking after Brexit, in a move that is likely to cause astonishment in European capitals.David Davis, Brexit secretary, does not accept that the two agencies and roughly 1,000 staff will have to move from London’s Canary Wharf, even though the EU is about to run a competition to relocate them.
You could not make this stuff up!
Just out of interest. If we have not reached the leave point of Brexit yet how do you know it's an utter disaster?
Agreed - if a suitable reply to an optimistic Brexiteer calling it a success is "It hasn't happened yet" then the same must be said to a pessimistic Remainer calling it a utter disaster.
I thought it would be obvious that EU agencies would move out of UK.
Agree with that too - seems pretty obvious that EU agencies are going to leave the UK so they can remain based in the EU. According to that HuffPo article the EMA attracts 40,000 visitors a year - that would be a [i]lot[/i] of visas for them to sort out.
The comments saying it is the EU being bullies or childish, or punishing us somehow, are frankly just mental - but then they are from Daily Express readers so...
Someone thinks people come here to be baristas. No they come here to make a life, fool, and serving coffee is how they get started.
I thought it would be obvious that EU agencies would move out of UK.
I'd wager the typical leave voter doesn't know what an EU agency is.
Someone thinks people come here to be baristas.
Sounds a bit like the Working Holiday Maker Visa that Australia has.
http://www.border.gov.au/Lega/Lega/Form/Immi-FAQs/what-is-the-working-holiday-maker-program
indeed the very least an EU agency needs is to be within the EU so they were always leavingThe comments saying it is the EU being bullies or childish, or punishing us somehow, are frankly just mental
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/22/curry-restaurants-crisis-immigration-rules-chefs ]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/22/curry-restaurants-crisis-immigration-rules-chefs[/url]
This is the current situation, does anyone see it getting better?
igm> My next prediction is there'll be a Brexy along in a minute to say we didn't want them anyway and How moving those bodies elsewhere is actually good for the UK.
jamba>I thought it would be obvious that EU agencies would move out of UK. Sooner the better frankly.
Are you psychic, igm? 🙂
Sounds a bit like the Working Holiday Maker Visa that Australia has.
Is it? MissJ was interested in the Oz thing as a means to explore Australia a bit, and not as a way to start a new life Down Under.
DrJ - Not really. Jamba's intelligent but not the most sophisticated advocate for a cause I've met.
He also failed to read my pinch of salt comment properly.
Given where we are I think we are proceeding roughly in line with the forecasts I saw - well those reasonable ones I saw and believed. I didn't believe all the forecasts, including the £350m a week to the NHS one - if Jamba gets to say where's financial armageddon (a forecast I never saw personally) then he also has to say where's the £350m a week for the NHS - they're equally valid.
Financially - Inflation on the rise for the foreseeable future, wages stagnating, then falling in real terms, the economy which is still to consumer driven slowing then falling.
Socially - much unrest as poverty bites, promises are broken etc.
Diplomatically - Friction with our neighbours, fewer new friends than we thought. Plenty of folk who think we will be desperate for trade deals looking to offer us fairly one sided deals.
jambalaya - Member
I thought it would be obvious that EU agencies would move out of UK. Sooner the better frankly.
yeah because the loss of the EMA wont hurt the UK at all 🙄
jambs is just saying this because he darent admit that brexshit will have negative repurcussions
Kimbers its about the net gain overall which imo is very significant.
Onwards and upwards.
😆 😆 😆
Hate to tell you this, but your opinion is probably worth less than a £350m promise on the side of a bus.
But humour me, this net gain, after you've lost the 4-5% of GDP that EU membership is worth to a country like the UK (ok we pay circa 1% of GDP for that benefit), how exactly does your net benefit accrue.
Feel free to be incredibly vague and speculative.
I want to know at what point kimbers & junkyards heads explode... its funny watching their self flagellating mental implosion
EDIT: the equivalent function of the EMA we will require for the UK so I would expect most if not all of those jobs will be required for the UK market.
so rather than paying 1 / 27th we now haver to pay for the whole thing
bloodynora - Member
I want to know at what point kimbers & junkyards heads explode... its funny watching their self flagellating mental implosionPOSTED 39 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
jambalaya - Member
EDIT: the equivalent function of the EMA we will require for the UK so I would expect most if not all of those jobs will be required for the UK market.POSTED 35 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
ahhhhh ignorance in tandem...
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