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iolo - Member
Looks like Holland are staying in.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-election-exit-poll-idUSKBN16M2XC
really hope sowould be nice for the alt- right not to claim another victory
It's a sinking EU bureaucratic ship they are sailing in ...
The EIB can provide finance where it wants to.
Why would we not want access to a good source of medium to long term financing for infrastructure projects?
Looks like Holland are staying in.
Greeks will be happy, Dijsselbloem will be gone.
teamhurtmore - Member
The EIB can provide finance where it wants to.Why would we not want access to a good source of medium to long term financing for infrastructure projects?
Where it wants to.
That's a key point, the UK, specifically England, are now exposed as the bunch of whiney racist bitches that they are, and are making noises about not making good on commitments.
Would you finance someone with a track record like that?
No I would finance the UK as it stands not how others might pretend it does. More importantly the EIB thinks the same.
Would you finance someone with a track record like that?
That doesn't really feature in credit analysis, generally more interested in the quality of the cashflows.
Not much news today.
just the chancellor wilting under not really very much pressure, making May (and the UK) look even weaker
and David Davis looking more incompetent than ever before
The Eurosceptics have Hammond in their sights - nor pretty but as I said in the budget thread, he was too quick to be so smug. Comes back to bite you on the backside
and David Davis looking more incompetent than ever before
If you actually watch the session, Davis comes across pretty well.
No, I watched the session: he comes across as a complete clueless incompetent.
Beware the Ides of March. There'll be more knives in backs before long.
mefty - Member
If you actually watch the session, Davis comes across pretty well.
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Some really good news from the Dutch elections too
The leftwing environmentalists of GreenLeft were set to be the big winners of the night, quadrupling their number of MPs to 16,
Yeah the tory administration is a house of cards, one that would collapse quickly if labour were not so bloody pathetic as opposition.
Some really good news from the Dutch elections too
Gains come from the Labour Party who have lost 30 seats .
No, I watched the session: he comes across as a complete clueless incompetent.
Only if you expect him to have concrete answers to the results of a negotiation that hasn't even started yet.
I would have expected him to have done some work on the worst case scenario (WTO)as that is a known set of circumstances.
I would have expected him to have done some work on the worst case scenario (WTO)as that is a known set of circumstances.
Well he has but they are still working on how some of the impacts can be mitigated.
I think it's abundantly clear they are winging it.
Not to be confused with winning it.
So it seems with the Netherlands election remaining centre right, and the pro-greens (encourages immigration) the tide of intelligence and compassion remain.
Except the UK, which it is proven is full of Racists and Far Right nasty people.
How bloody sad.
england bikebouy - not the whole of the UK 😉
More Monboit lies shocker
WTF did he think people voted to leave? WTF does he think we are about to negotiate to retain? WTF.......(repeat)
[i]I think it's abundantly clear they are winging it. [/I]
Yep, got to agree definitely feels like that to me.
But then when faced with something so large that you can't get you head around it this is quite often the only approach, but then I'd have hoped that they'd be employing people who CAN get their head around it...
THM people in Scotland didn't vote to leave.
Davies and the WTO "no plan". IMO these are political games like the EU saying there was no scenario plan for Greece to leave the euro. By saying you have no plan you get less critism than saying you have a plan but refusing to disclose it.
Mefty not sure departure of Dijsselbloem (?)... will make any difference to the Greeks. Trump's election was far more significant with its potential / likely impact on the stance of the IMF. France/Germany just hoping it stays quiet till after their elections.
EU dodged a potential landmine in Holland but Gert was still joint second, a man who wanted to close all mosques and ban the Koran ! The PM was able to see him off by hardening his attitudes. Remember the Dutch where the nation so pissed off with Lisbon Treaty they passed into law that every new treaty or change must be subject to a binding referendum. This is one of the reasons Cameron could not negotiate treaty change as EU knew the Dutch where quite likly to reject anything on principal.
@bikebouy if the EU and individual nations where so confident there wouod be in/out referendums accross Europe. In reality the EU called our decision to hold one a mistake. DEMOCRACY eh ?
Mefty not sure departure of Dijsselbloem (?)
Schadenfreude not hope.
We should be celebrating that Gert did not win! First bit of good news - along with sensible comments from Barnier - in a long time. People need to stand up to misplaced xenophobia and racism. It's a vile and dangerous trend with very unpleasant consequences for all.
Interested to understand what people thins a WTO plan would look like. Pretty hard to plan exactly for a clusterfu@k. We would lose our existing deals and have to negotiate again from scratch. What's there to plan other than a silly amount to do. Resources dedicated to endless discussion that we don't need.
Call it the "folly folder"
Twisting words, jamby. It's not that DD hasn't planned, is that he hasn't assessed the likely damage.
He is a dim man floundering out of his depth. It would be funny if it wasn't so important.
. It's not that DD hasn't planned, is that he hasn't assessed the likely damage.
Or worse ignoring the experts in place to provide him with facts that do not fit the narrative.
We should be celebrating that Gert did not win! First bit of good news
Agreed
Sadly some on here would happily have seen such an unpleasant man win if it meant their bigoted hate of the EU could be furthered.
I'm not sure that DD is dim as such
Old, Confused and self-deluding,
Either way the task is beyond him that was clearly shown yesterday.
Either hes lying to parliament, hasn't bothered thinking about what a hard Brexit might look like or he's just given away or only negotiating hand !
I think most likely it's a case of fingers in ears and la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you. In order to maintain a veneer of deniability later on, however implausible and irresponsible it will be.
The Brexit Secretary David Davis has stunned MPs by admitting the Government has done no economic assessment of the possible effects of crashing out of the EU with "no deal".
From the indy
How they can say that WTO rules would be a good bet and also admit this is breathtaking incompetence
[quote=tjagain ]breathtaking incompetence
You sound surprised. I'm waiting to hear that there is some aspect of Brexit they have thought about in advance and know what they're doing on. Now that would be news.
On the day the Queen signs the Brexit bill (in Norman French)
the Torys are getting a monstering in the press over election fraud , , the budget and brexit incompetence and Geert Wilders is back in the political wildersness- despite the fascists crowing that he was gonna clean up
plus Sturgeon has May by the balls
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You appear to have odd priorities kimber. The nutty wing of the Tories are out to get Hammond because he's a remainer. Lose him and the situation gets worse.
plus Sturgeon has May by the balls
Are you sure about which one has the balls? 😉
So if the government do a U-turn so as not to upset a million or so people, what about not upsetting the half of the population who are quite content to remain in the EU?
It's ok, for balance, the Express is gloating over The (Dutch) Labour Party's disastrous polling. I guess for their readers (and some here it would seem), the words "Labour Party" are enough. Forget actually reading up on why* they've been monstered by the electorate and how the Dutch Labour Party might differ from ours.
*Amongst others: Austerity** coalition with a centre-right party. 😀 (Sound familiar?). Turning on immigrants in a left populist/nationalist stance. (Sound familiar?) Bet they [the PvdA] are glad they have PR in The Netherlands.
Whatever the result, at least it's a bit of a blow for populism be it left or right wing nut job populism. France next then...
**Yes, I know.
The nutty wing of the Tories are out to get Hammond because he's a remainer.
As it goes I was a fan, his NIC rise wasnt even a bad idea, just badly executed and badly defended by him
Im happy to see the tories slap each other about, it belies the myth that the referendun has put their european divisions to bed.
Put a proper right winger in charge and as they squeeze the poorest watch public support for brexishambles collapse
Ill live with that
Tories remain miles ahead in the polls, despite all the press coverage Brexit passes without amendment
Davies is doing just fine, as I said if he says there is a detailed assesment there will be a creshendo of calls for it to be published. Hammond one of the few Remainers in a senior roll does appear to have shot himself in both feet (although personally I am in favour of these NIC rises)
Remain now find themselves in the same place as Leave during the Referendum. Unable to access official government fescources to make detailed calculations / impact assesments.
Roll on A50. It's beautiful Spring 2017 gift.
The Tories always do themselves in over Europe, now is no different. The main opposition is within the party not outside it. Their only blessing is the fact that Labour are as split on this too. Only the Lib Dems have a reasonably consistent face - and that is to blow a raspberry in the face of the electorate and the democratic process.
Lovely bunch, politicians!!
It's ok, for balance, the Express is gloating over The (Dutch) Labour Party's disastrous polling. I guess for their readers (and some here it would seem), the words "Labour Party" are enough.
Not sure whether that was aimed at my comment, but I agree it is their LibDem moment, but the point I was making was that the Greens good result came at Labour's expense, but Labour's vote has gone in both directions so it would wrong to say that overall there is shift to the left.
Not sure whether that was aimed at my comment
For clarity, no, it wasn't. And, certainly there was no overall shift to the left - PvdA lost to as you say, their LibDem moment but their late shift to "attacking" immigrants is similar to post-Brexit British Labour's chasing of the UKIP vote and hasn't proved to be popular. Wilders PVV coming second is still worrying enough, but it looks likely he'll be kept out of government (for now). He's already said he's not going anywhere or making any significant changes to his stance.
It's difficult to compare & contrast election results in countries with such different electoral practices, let alone extrapolating across borders. All I can see is that The Netherlands wants to swing slightly in either direction around the centre, with a green influence - they've more or less come from nowhere (and the UK Green Party, while welcoming the result, shouldn't take too much hope from it).