Still lower than they would have been though THM - no?

True.

And not exactly high on anyone’s measure.

True. But we are already in a period of weaker cycles due to the debt overhang.

The real story is dull as dishwater, hence the need....you know the rest 😉

Well that's good news even tho we a) still haven't left b) the sum total of SFA relating to the terms of our exit has been agreed

Also true (if you ignore the behind the scenes stuff)

We could have a military coup?

Although with the funding cuts it wouldn't last long.

Aah - maybe you've hit on something!!

The cynic in me would suggest positive pressers from financial management companies have more to do with the bank balances of their (rich) clients than reality of the situation faced by most of the population.

Are you also suggesting that the CEO of G Sach’s (the new friend of the left, no really 😉 ) comments so widely used this week should not be taken a face value - is there are hidden agenda there perhaps?

My post is quite clear.

[quote=kimbers ]That world suck for scientific/ medical aid as UK was/is a major driver in shaping those regs

Lol, smart people who do things like .. make medicine... are STOOPID and can go kick themselves in the face. We won't need them or their stupid pills once the walls go up. We didn't need medicine in 1953 and we won't bloody need it in 2023

Well how does that match with their previously over- negative assessment of the UK outlook and their below consensus view now. You seem to be contradicting yourself - UBS is giving their (rich) clients a negative message albeit a less radical one

Are all their (rich) clients short sterling?

Forcasts are always correct and must be treated as gospel, is that the message here? 😆

No. The message is don’t overdo/bother with the doom and gloom, especially from those who lie about getting their predictions right. Just be amused by them and carry on as normal

https://www.ubs.com/microsites/ubs-investor-watch-uk/en/is-unpredicability-the-new-normal.html?intCampID=INTERNAL-UKHPP-CO-TILE-WM-is_unpredicability_the_new_normal

Feelings were mixed but overall Investors told us that they remain optimistic:
We are living in the most unpredictable period in history say 82% of UK millionaires. Financial and economic risks are top concerns in this situation, but Brexit is the top domestic threat.

It can be hard to focus on facts and the long term. Nearly three quarters feel distracted by short-term risks. Meanwhile, emotions, not facts are increasingly the driving force behind voter choice and public opinion.

Investors remain confident about the future. 65% are optimistic about reaching their long-term financial goals and 77% believe Brexit will have a positive long-term impact on their finances. But are there signs of overconfidence when planning for the future?

I think one thing's clear, UBS aren't giving a toss about the ordinary man in the street.

UBS confident millionaires will be able to play the system either way, shocker! 😆

Don't worry folks the moneyed classes will be fine, we're all saved... phew.

There's no contradiction.

You can grasp how 'confidence' affects the 'value' of things in a capitalist economy?

Now have a think about how changing forecasts, and lobbying for clarity on a somewhat tumultuous decision can be used to affect 'confidence' and therefore the 'value' of things.

Yes that’s their job

[quote=mattyfez ]We could have a military coup?
Although with the funding cuts it wouldn't last long.

The only one we're likely to see here in the UK

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the solution is simple, we take back control 😉

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Think we'll see much Brexit related change in next weeks budget? Or are we still stuck at the denying it will cost anything stage?

Think we'll see much Brexit related change in next weeks budget? Or are we still stuck at the denying it will cost anything stage?

Magic money tree will be in full bloom.

We did that in the past.
Sir Francis Drake et al

We were very good at it too. See all those ships in the English Channel? ENGLISH mark you. Bring it on.

Reading on my phone today I saw THMs contributions

What a fantasy world - behind tbe scenes negotiations going well? What nonsense. there are none. Economic damage / flight of bankers no issue - can he not read?

We have gone from top of the g7 to almost the bottom. IMF, CBI, BOE all state the damage is real and happening but in THM world everything is rosy.

the guy is a deluded fantasist

What an honour that (1) you have read my deluded nonsense and (2) took the trouble to misquote all of it in order to make your insult. That’s some skill.

It’s a privilege when the original IB makes such an effort. Quite made my weekend. Thank you so much.

I assume he picked it up reading your posts and well done for not doing a Zokes this time. I am glad you have remembered that your role is to try and provoke emotional responses in others, not deliver them yourself.

PS you meant misreport not misquote [ assuming the dictionary still applies to you] so you not being as smart as you like to pretend you are made my weekend

PFTLB

I assume he picked it up reading your posts and well done for not doing a Zokes this time and you have remembered that your role is to try and provoke emotional responses in others not deliver them yourself

It may be that I've just woken up, but could you add a couple of commas to that sentence so my sleep-deprived brain can understand it? 😆

In the meantime, the somewhat puzzled view from down under: http://www.smh.com.au/world/this-is-a-genuine-crisis-the-cliffedge-moment-coming-for-britain-20171117-gzna4v.html

House

(Guessing geetee must be out for the evening)

full stop and a comma just for you.

Its either that or I flip out at you 😉

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Everyone is a critic, except THM. Happy now?

I am sure I could pick holes in the grammar in that collection of words ( I hesitate to say sentences) as well. [img] [/img]

So not as bad as it could be, no plan, no ideas and a huge amount extra to be spent on borders, agencies and extra crap? Excellent chaps full speed ahead see if you can get some ice for my g&t off that big floating ice cube...

I note that for all of THM's bellicose waffling, he's still been unable to explain the connection between him sorting out visas for some hypothetical staff he hypothetically manages and Brexit.

Oh, and thanks junkyard. It seems it takes punctuation and two coffees to facilitate comprehension. That may be due to your grammar, but it probably also as quite a lot to do with the last few drinks I had last night 😉

I note that for all of THM's bellicose waffling

Expect some abuse/strawmanning/ignoring.

Oh there won't be any abuse. THM doesn't do that despite several posters complaining about it, and one specifically citing his attacks as reason for leaving this thread. Fake news. Sad.

See all those ships in the English Channel?

Vous voyez tous ces navires dans la Manche ?

? Habt ihr aller dieses Boote im Ärmelkanal gesehen ?

Russe !

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House

PS glad you are still reading and I get the free pass from your abuse - its a terrible price to pay*

* please dont mistake this as a goad to get a response**

** see above 😉

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Keep ‘em coming....

So that connection between your bleeding heart story about visas and Brexit, TMH?

zokes - Still not a customer

Expect some abuse/strawmanning/ignoring.

Oh there won't be any abuse. THM doesn't do that despite several posters complaining about it, and one specifically citing his attacks as reason for leaving this thread. Fake news. Sad.

don't forget the two bannings for being abusive as well

Home Office officials have privately admitted the department is having problems increasing its immigration staffing levels as part of its Brexit preparations and [b]may have to recruit Polish and other eastern Europeans[/b] to help register the 3 million EU nationals in Britain.

You really couldn't make it up

Good resurrect TJ, the posse has been disappointingly quiet hasn't it? Anyone would think this was a thread about Europe not the posse's Autumn meeting. Perhaps they will rally to the call now that the Master of the Hounds has blasted his mighty bugle. Tally Ho!

Meanwhile in Frankfurt for some meetings, will be interesting to get back to some facts again and to see how they see future with Frau Merkel and their views on Brexshit. Even here, the news will be less made up/exagerated than ^

Do have a pleasant evening....

teamhurtmore - Member

teamhurtmore said something stupid.

I assume no need to turn the killfile off as without the killfile it would be much the same?

Is there any chance of a debate breaking out or are we just going to see how much we can insult each other without breaching the rules?

Junkyard, STFU.

Does everyine know about your clever killfile? It's been a while since the last PSA on the topic.

The bugle had it's magic effect! Tis a sight to behold. And to think ninfan even appeared earlier!! But perhaps that trail is still a little cool

=> EU referendum (or its aftermath)

Just like they all know which posters vote tory but only one of them is a secret

I’m just killing time while I wait for the tennis to finish on Sky before RedZone starts. I thought you’d be watching it thm. This is the men’s final though - not sure you’d take a few points of these lads like you would from Serena. (I suppose she could always double fault.)

Meanwhile in Frankfurt for some meetings

You do have a vivid imagination, bless

Wrong target there DD. Pause before you engage, other you might come across, what's the expression, swivvle eyed.. But re tennis lost interest after Rog was knocked out. Wanted a Fed v Nadal end of year treat.

=> EU referendum (or its aftermath)

"Ed come in....."

They are waiting

Oh thm, you have a problem here - you’ve become a figure of fun in the thread. You probably need to have a think about why that’s happened. In the meantime, try the currywurst. I hear it’s lovely this time of year.

No skin off my nose DD. The posse merely travel from victim to victim and all sanctioned from above. The normal targets have been a quieter recently although amazed that ninfan has survived so far today without too much abuse.

Too late to try your suggestion, but thanks. A bit boring with some lovely veal and a beer instead. Prost und schlafe gut (if I can still remember O level German)

The posse merely travel from victim to victim and all sanctioned from above.

You really are quite delusional

😯

My goodness - does he really think there is a posse sanctioned from above? If it were so surely the mods would just ban the supposed victims of this posse? Have yOu been warned off from arguing with THM Zokes? I have been hence the policy I adopt of not seeing most of his posts and refusing to get into debate. I bet others have been

I have noticed that many leavers have progressed from crowing about their 'victory' to whining that they are being victimised, both by the 'intransigent' EU and by the 'Remoaners' they despise so much. I think I almost preferred the crowing.

I did have a little browse thru the early parts of this thread looking for leavers statements that have subsequently been proven to be rubbish. It was noticeable how few of them remain to defend the indefensible

Well, it was made clear to me that suggesting he pulls facts out of his posterior wasn't permitted by Ze overlords above™

I guess that's all by-the-by really. He's made it clear he has no interest in constructive discussion, preferring to sneer and pour scorn on anyone who dare question his often evidence free and self-appointed expert analysis. It really can't be that surprising that such an attitude tends to bring out the worst in everyone it's thrown at. There seems to be very little point in trying to conduct constructive debate under such circumstances as he will always try to derail it.

Reading on my phone today I saw THMs contributions

What a fantasy world - behind tbe scenes negotiations going well? What nonsense. there are none. Economic damage / flight of bankers no issue - can he not read?

I have to say TJ, I reckon THM knows more about the details of this than you do. You only read the papers.

to be honest guys the constant arguing between members is really annoying .

YOu really think there are behind the scenes deals going on? Its utter fantasy that there is and you really think THM actually has any access to anything?

You really think that if there were "behind the scenes" negotiations that were going well that Davies and co would not be trumpeting them? That no details would have been leaked?

Its ludicrous fantasy. Don't be so gullible

I had better step away - I can feel the banhammer heading my way

tj there's always behind the scenes stuff, to think there isn't is a bit mental tbh.

Whether they result in anything is another story mind, but still, they will be happening. The masters don't tell the plebs everything.

to be honest guys the constant arguing between members is really annoying .

+1 it's impossible to actually talk about anything amongst the snide remarks and bickering.

I've stepped away from this thread a few times because I just couldn't be bothered with it. And yes, both sides are as bad.

Challenge opinions and facts by all means. Just don't be an arse about it.

seosamh77

Nope - not buying it. Yes we don't hear everything and junior officials will be running around trying to do things but the idea that there is a whole secret parallel set of negotiations going on that are going well for the tories is absurd. It would have been leaked.

~Similarly THMs assertions that there is not a flight of bankers is simply incorrect given the facts we have that shows it to be so

with that - I am out

There weren't ment to be back channels to the IRA in the 70/80s either TJ.

I doubt animosity is that bad that they aren't talking.

NI land border committee briefing session is repeated on BBC parliament now, although it has side stepped to Gibraltar for now, not entirely unsurprisingly.

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Coalition talks fail in Germany. No realistic coalition government until someone changes mind. Possibilities of new election, leadership challenge to Merkel or a first minority government. The original Trump is on the march. European politics are by no means stable.

A minority government?! Oh no, imagine the chaos and weakness that will create!

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+1 it's impossible to actually talk about anything amongst the snide remarks and bickering.

Also stepping away from this for a while as it is not even the pretence of a debate

A minority government?! Oh no, imagine the chaos and weakness that will create!

Minority coalition government though, which would be a first for Germany, no single party is even close to governing.

Briefing session amounted to "we don't make or grow anything in Gibraltar, our land border is tiny, we have no free travel area with the country we share a land border with, we wish you the best of luck…"

Minority coalition government though

The Conservative party is pretty much a coalition … and a messy one at that, currently.

Germany will find a way. If their export and GDP growth aren't still better than ours this time next year, I'll eat my chocolate hat, "weak" government or not. Looks more stable than.... well… us.

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https://www.ft.com/content/165deb14-cd12-11e7-b781-794ce08b24dc
(if you sign up to the FT you can read some articles for free)

So if we settle for 40bn Euro's then it's about 4 years of membership money
60bn and it's closer to 6 years. That is before the cost of any of the new agencies and border arrangements and any payment for ongoing access to the markets.

Is anyone keeping a record of all these bills? Would like to see the running total of Brexit Costs to date and into the future as we were promised a lot of inward investment with all the savings - which we won't realise for a minimum of 4 years and probably closer to 10.

Anyone changed their minds yet?

I have to say TJ, I reckon THM knows more about the details of this than you do. You only read the papers.

To be fair, we have very little evidence that THM does any more than that. Given his unwillingness or inability to answer even slightly searching questions which seek to understand where he's getting his "facts" from, I'm not so sure.

Is anyone keeping a record of all these bills? Would like to see the running total of Brexit Costs to date and into the future as we were promised a lot of inward investment with all the savings - which we won't realise for a minimum of 4 years and probably closer to 10.

And the money is the easiest bit. Let's see what they do with FoM and the NI border...

to be honest guys the constant arguing between members is really annoying

Nail on the head! This used to be the thread I visited the most. Probably my second favourite after the Ling's Cars one! Very rarely bother these days.

Mefty, papers here this morning expressing concern about AfD winning more seats in a snap election. Looks pretty messy at the moment and we could do with Merkel's pragmatism. Europe is far from stable - Catalonia's next vote is off thefront pages for the moment too, but only a few weeks away.

http://www.europe1.fr/international/brexit-les-27-se-partagent-les-agences-de-lue-quittant-londres-3497045

seosamh77 - Member

There weren't ment to be back channels to the IRA in the 70/80s either TJ.

I doubt animosity is that bad that they aren't talking.

We knew about those back channels at the time.

As I said - I am sure junior folk are talking but the idea that behind the scenes its all going well in some secret parallel set of negotiations is nonsense.

As I said - I am sure junior folk are talking but the idea that behind the scenes its all going well in some secret parallel set of negotiations is nonsense.

I think the key point here is the definition of "well". To my eye that would be constructively progressing in a smooth and timely manner towards resolving the outstanding issues. I suspect however that on this occasion it means that the talks haven't completely broken down.

"Posse"? I see thm as more Mr Godfrey than Jesse James 🙂

THM goes up to town on the 8.21
But he comes home each evening
and he's ready with his gun!