When Prince Philip finally shrugs off his mortal coil can we make Johnson the new Duke of Edinburgh? He seems like a natural successor 😀
drop in the ocean. the nhs costs 2bn/week to run."It's OK it's only £190m a week"
"We want to stay in the EU and reform it (translation = the EU is broken amd needs fixing)"
two side of the same coin, certainly there are things to fix. i don't think anyone will argue with that. you can't do it standing outside of it throwing stones though.
"Anyone worried about the pressure on public services and housing as a result of immigration [s]is a racist and we know they are bad people[/s] has been lied to over and over again by the likes of murdoch, farage et. al."
FIFY
there is pressure on public services as a result of a squeeze on finances from ( our ) government, and social housing has been chronically under-invested in since thatcher decided everyone could buy their council house.
apart from that you're bang on. it's all the EU's fault. blame the foreigner. 🙄
In the meantime in the BBC news today [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38661443 ][b]UK unemployment falls to 1.6 million[/b][/url]
I bet this must be the confidence attributed to the direction of Brexit together with the confidence in the UK industry/market etc ... 😛
Ya, apparently GBP £ has bounced back again ... hhmmm ... the prediction of waste paper £ currency seem to disappoint some. 😆
And Davis Davis reminding us that after winning WW2, Brexit will be ok.
😆
In the meantime in the BBC news today UK unemployment falls to 1.6 million
ahh. the voice of reason is in i see.
anyway. shurley shome mishtake? unemployment that low with all those immigrants taking 'our' jobs?
cchris2lou - Member
And Davis Davis reminding us that after winning WW2, Brexit will be ok.
He is right unless you foresee WW3. 😆
Del - Member
In the meantime in the BBC news today UK unemployment falls to 1.6 million
ahh. the voice of reason is in i see.
anyway. shurley shome mishtake? unemployment that low with all those immigrants taking 'our' jobs?
That is fact is it not?
Are you suggesting that BBC is biased and wrong? 😛
Is this what our democracy has come to - tricking people into voting a certain way by avoiding substantive debate? Sad.
Nah its worser...
They wouldn't normally own up to the fact.... now they brazenly do 🙁
All hell should have broken loose after the lies were exposed on both sides.
(Anyway full steam ahead for the London tax haven. We've got your your vote so fK orf Peasents and let me get to the cream.)
When you post a link, you should read it.
People in work is declining for second month in a row .
As with inflation, economic situation is slowly but surely worsening.
In the meantime in the BBC news today UK unemployment falls to 1.6 millionI bet this must be the confidence attributed to the direction of Brexit together with the confidence in the UK industry/market etc ...
Or DWP kicking people off the dole.
And the bounce back on the pound was it heading down again after yesterday.
It may of course rise again.
Foolish chewkw
When May said yesterday that no deal is better than a bad deal, what does that mean in terms of an outcome; does it mean we won't leave after all or does it mean that we will still leave but won't have any kind of trade agreement with the EU?
The second I'm guessing.
igm - Member
And the bounce back on the pound was it heading down again after yesterday.It may of course rise again.
Foolish chewkw
Are you sure that £££ will not remain constant?
Let me get this right prior to PM May speech £££ took a dive then after PM May speech £££ goes up ...
Put two together the market must be liking PM May speech as well as supporting Brexit.
I recall in the earlier threads before PM May's speech someone associated £££ dive with PM May ... ya, now after PM May's speech £££ goes up. Yippeee ...
GeeTee, br - That might depend on the Irish A50 case. But I haven't heard much on that recently - did it get thrown out?
Chewkw - an hour ago it was heading down again. Haven't checked for an hour though. Good to have you back for comic relief though.
Are you sure that £££ will not remain constant?
I don't think that is what you mean.
Let me get this right prior to PM May speech £££ took a dive then after PM May speech £££ goes up ...
Yep, she wisely trailed all the bad news bit by bit before the speech. Page back and you'll read my praise about her judgment there.
I think they will be treated favorably by UK coz the relationship is unique.igm - Member
That might depend on the Irish A50 case. But I haven't heard much on that recently - did it get thrown out?
Chewkw - an hour ago it was heading down again. Haven't checked for an hour though. Good to have you back for comic relief though.
But I thought the reminders were arguing prior to PM May's speech that the £££ dive was the result of PM May and Brexit ...
So what attributed to what?
Someone on the reminders side could you make up your mind please coz I need to spin the currency roulette again ...
Yep - today it's down against every currency the BBC list. Though probably higher than yesterday morning.
Markets may be putting some store in May's promise of a parliamentary vote on the final deal. Yet to see what that means though. Or they may just be moving around for the hell if it. Wait and see.
The Irish case is ongoing.
If on Twitter, follow ?@JolyonMaugham?
Chewkw - just to help you, the Irish A50 case was designed to test whether A50 once initiated could be revoked. Not sure what you thought I was referring to.
It seems we are reliant on "favours" "friendship"etc for our future well being - shame we just kicked our collective friends in the nuts and the fact that Theresa says Donald has put us at the front of the queue for a trade deal? When he actually said "your doing great" smacks of serious interpretation desperation.
igm - Member
Chewkw - just to help you, the Irish A50 case was designed to test whether A50 once initiated could be revoked. Not sure what you thought I was referring to.
Ya, like Scotland wanting to join EU to test Spain innit. 😆
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Nahh ... no chance in hell A50 can be halted. [/b]
Irish will be treated favorably so they can come and go as they are now but perhaps the Irish will become much more prosperous because the entire EU trade will to sneak in via that door. 😆
That's a decision for the EU not us.
Do we want to halt it is a decision for us. Perhaps after parliament see the deal our crack negotiators have got for us.
I don't know chewkw, we do our best to educate you, but either deliberately or because you don't have the capacity (I suspect the former) you continue to act foolishly. However I shall continue with my attempts even if you really are a lost cause.
Have fun
Trump said his scotish golf resort was doing great.
I thought it was loosing millions, or is it an accountancy loss to avoid paying taxes?
Nahh ... no chance in hell A50 can be halted.
Halted by the UK unilaterally? I suspect not.
Irish will be treated favorably so they can come and go as they are now but perhaps the Irish will become much more prosperous because the entire EU trade will to sneak in via that door.
This perfectly sums up the Irish border conundrum. Bonkers.
igm - Member
That's a decision for the EU not us.Do we want to halt it is a decision for us. Perhaps after parliament see the deal our crack negotiators have got for us.
Definitely not the EU coz they have no say in UK affairs.
It is also Not up to Scotland to decide if they have a say in this matter because the people have voted to remain in UK.
If the British Govt does not allow another referendum for Scotland then that is the end of the story. The idea of independence is dead in the water. Unless SNP decides to arm themselves to start a civil war.
kelvin - Member
This perfectly sums up the Irish border conundrum. Bonkers.
It makes perfect sense because UK can do as UK wishes because of the unique historical relationship. EU have no say in this matter unless EU want to prevent the Irish from crossing the boarder freely ...
[s]plan A the norway option[/s]
[s]plan B the swiss option[/s]
[s]plan C the custom "don't you know who we are" option[/s]
plan D the WTO option
can't wait for plan E,F,G.....
Give it a week
German Trade and Commerce spokesperson said Exports to UK are expected to have fallen 5% in 6 months post Referendum due to higher prices due to fall in £ vs €. Ouch.
@Klunk WTO has always been plan A in my mind. No one in the Government or indeed the Leave campaign suggested the deals of Norway / Switzerland where desirable. In fact to the contrary they are undesirable.
sorry should have read
[s]plan C the custom "don't you know who we are" inside the single market option[/s]
[s]plan D the custom "don't you know who we are" outside the single market option[/s]
plan E the WTO option
Why so Jam?
jambalaya - Member@Klunk WTO has always been plan A in my mind. No one in the Government or indeed the Leave campaign suggested the deals of Norway / Switzerland where desirable. In fact to the contrary they are undesirable.
But Dan "the han" Hannan said no one was talking about threatening our place in the single market - so pretty close to saying stay in single market then.
Kimbers posted the pic on page 584.
chewk, didn't you also note that EMPLOYMENT has fallen, so yes there are less unemployed, but there are also less employed people.
So less people to pay for the brexit ***
chewkw, assuming you're not a bot, please consider these two points:
- For A50 to be revoked, it would probably take all the EU countries to agree, including us. Current understanding is that we couldn't make this happen on our own, and the other EU countries definitely couldn't force it upon us. The Irish test case is hoping to get more legal clarity on this.
- The border between the EU and UK on the island of Ireland would still involve an EU country, inside the single market and customs union, after UK leaves all the European institutions. The UK will not be the only party with a say over how that border works. Your comment, which suggests that border becoming a back door into the EU, makes it perfectly clear why that is the case.
jambalaya - Member
German Trade and Commerce spokesperson said Exports to UK are expected to have fallen 5% in 6 months post Referendum due to higher prices due to fall in £ vs €. Ouch.
What idiot thinks a weaker Europe is better for the UK? Maybe the UK can't afford German goods now the pound is worth less, BTW the Aussie dollar hit a good price against the US, it has nothing to do with immigration.
You sure Mike 😉
Recent trade history suggests that Germany will be far better able to increase their trade with non EU countries to compensate for trade lost with us. Please argue this isn't true… …I'd love to see the reasoning…
HSBC moving 1000 jobs from London to Paris.
And other banks applying for banking licences on the continent.
We can all pick the news we want. 😉
mrmo - Member
chewk, didn't you also note that EMPLOYMENT has fallen, so yes there are less unemployed, but there are also less employed people.
So BBC news is misleading people?
They have very big headline don't they ... media eh ... 🙄
kelvin - Member
The border between the EU and UK on the island of Ireland would still involve an EU country, inside the single market and customs union, after UK leaves all the European institutions. The UK will not be the only party with a say over how that border works. Your comment, which suggests that border becoming a back door into the EU, makes it perfectly clear why that is the case.
Not a test case. British govt just have to treat Ireland differently from the rest of the EU countries due to the historical British and Irish relationship. Ireland will be treated favourably.
As for back door EU trade that is a minor detail that must work for both the British & Irish govt to work out.
What idiot thinks a weaker Europe is better for the UK?
Welcome to the alternative universe inhabited by the brexiteers
Ha ha haaaaaaaaa we're all bankrupt and living in poverty, but those bloody foreigners are in a much worse position than us because we've taken back control. The mugs!
*waves little flag*
EU have no say in this matter unless EU want to prevent the Irish from crossing the boarder freely ...
Sinn Fein don't seem keen.
BTW, I too am of a generation who grew up with black and white minstrels and the Robinson's golly. Big sis had a golliwog. Neither of us ended up racist or xenophobic. Oh and I'm against pressurising morris sides to drop their traditional blacking up.
Not that any of that has any real relevance to Brexit.
Definitely not the EU coz they have no say in UK affairs.
Why are we leaving to Take Back Control™ then?
Doesn't Morris dancing celebrate / commemorate moorish pirates / slaves raiding the south coast of England and making off with slaves and booty?
I've always thought it plain odd - never realised they blacked up though.
If they do then it's black slavers (Barbary coast pirates? My memory is hazy) charging in to small English villages armed with cudgels and having their way.
More problems than blacking up there.
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@Klunk WTO has always been plan A in my mind.
An odd choice given the extensive limitations involved:
1. The biggest shock
2. Greater restrictions for trade in goo and services - including substantial non-tariff barriers
3. Requires even more negotiations - and even worse politics involved
4. We would still be subject to EU rules and regs
5. Weak resolution mechanisms
6. Etc
No one in the Government or indeed the Leave campaign suggested the deals of Norway / Switzerland where desirable. In fact to the contrary they are undesirable.
Yes they did, It only depends on where they lie in the liberalisation v xenophobe spectrum. At the moment, we are looking at a soft FTA all depending on how nasty we can be to foreigners.
