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The [s]how to boil a frog[/s] when hubby sells short on friday plan.....


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 10:27 am
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hasnt May herself got a blind trusts, that I assume is invested in ftse 100 companies 😉 ?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 10:47 am
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hasnt May herself got a blind trusts, that I assume is invested in ftse 100 companies ?

But she is a christian and would never ever do anything that might be seen as a conflict of interests and that might personally enrich herself..... not like that other chrisitian Tony Blair,.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 10:54 am
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Do something about it.
http://remainvisual.co.uk/2017/01/06/unite-for-europe-march/


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 10:55 am
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Kelvin, may has been consistent - instead of taking the piss people should simply listen. She said at the start that Brexshit means Brexshit and why - FOM and ECJ. So she ruled out membership of the EU and access vis the EEA. She believes that she can get a bespoke deal but if not then FTA or WTO. It's not that hard.

Not broken, just realistic and wanting to get on with life.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 10:58 am
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has the added bonus of keeping dirty digger happy, as sky tv gets cheaper and cheaper by the minute, and the NHS off the front page of the Sun.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 10:59 am
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hasnt May herself got a blind trusts, that I assume is invested in ftse 100 companies ?

Very unlikely. The May family have, for the most, wisely, split the money and politics issues cleanly between themselves. She's not the political chancer some people seem to think… she's prepared properly to be where she is.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:00 am
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Kelvin, may has been consistent - instead of taking the piss people should simply listen.

She has been very consistent about her red lines.

By "taking the piss" do you mean asking her straight, in the HoC, to state where she stands as regards single market and customs union participation? She has kicked that can down the street for ages now, by refusing to give an answer, wisely* I think.

[i][ *by wisely, I mean wise as regards her own interests ][/i]


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:08 am
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the stuff of nightmares........

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Posted : 16/01/2017 11:09 am
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Where are the other thumbs up?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:40 am
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She said at the start that Brexshit means Brexshit and why - FOM and ECJ. So she ruled out membership of the EU and access vis the EEA.

Only AFTER the vote. Would've been useful to know beforehand, don't you think?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:41 am
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[quote=kelvin ]hasnt May herself got a blind trusts, that I assume is invested in ftse 100 companies ?

Very unlikely. The May family have, for the most, wisely, split the money and politics issues cleanly between themselves. She's not the political chancer some people seem to think… she's prepared properly to be where she is.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/10/theresa-may-urged-to-disclose-contents-of-blind-trust


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:45 am
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the stuff of nightmares........

Harry enfield went down hill after Loadsa Money in my opinion.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:51 am
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On the trump gove pic a speech bubble from both asking who this arse hole is would be perfect
#whereisjamie


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:53 am
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Independent has a piece saying what I have been saying for a while. Perhaps the tide of endlessly negative reporting in coming to an end. Clickbait ad revenue falling ?

Britain's Brexit prospects are not as catastrophic as Project Fear warned
The failure to reach an agreement with Europe, which is a real possibility, would be acceptable in the short-term and [b]positive in the long[/b]. Out of the top five export markets, three are outside the EU

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-theresa-may-mark-carney-economy-a7527156.html

On Theresa May / trust and indeed on Jeremy Hunt the UK needs to have a more intelligent approach to people who make and have money. An obession with trying to spin that as a negative quality is ridiculous.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:54 am
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Only AFTER the vote. Would've been useful to know beforehand, don't you think?

Before the vote, May wanted an end to FoM, an end of ECJ jurisdiction, and said we should remain in the EU.
Make of that what your will.

BoardinBob, I missed that blind trust stuff. Still, good planning on her part to seal that off from scrutiny. Dodgy, much?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:54 am
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@kelvin politicians are well advised to put assets in blind trusts to avoid any notion that they are influencing policy for personal gain. Not dodgy at all.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:56 am
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#whereisjamie

or just wait for the new private eye.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:56 am
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Out of the top five export markets, three are outside the EU

Again how did being in the eu stop the UK exploring these, you have already told us trade deals are not important to a country so the UK could have gone are these markets already. Blaming UK countries for not being ambitious is not a fault of the eu.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:57 am
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Haha.. Posing right in front of a framed playboy cover photo


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:58 am
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Not dodgy at all.

It is sealing the nature and content of the trust off from scrutiny that is dodgy, not relinquishing control that is the concern.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 11:58 am
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Mol, which bit did you not understand before the vote?

Jambas, we have had a 20% devaluation which is now filtering through into inflation. So that is worse than the models were predicting and we haven't left so the other impacts have yet to be observed.

So score so far - worse than expected: £ and inflationary expectations; better: resilience of consumer and appetite for debt 😯

Too early for complacency


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 12:03 pm
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So score so far - worse than expected: £ and inflationary expectations; better: resilience of consumer and appetite for debt

How much of that debt is forward ordering? I needed a new computer in the near future so bought it on a zero credit card now rather than wait until i had saved the cash and had to stump up 15-20% more.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 12:19 pm
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Mol, which bit did you not understand before the vote?

Multiple groups promised different things and withdrew all their promises on day one post Brexit. There was a mass misinformation campaign during the vote, try getting 2 brexshiters to agree with each other, some fail to agree with themselves


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 12:19 pm
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The failure to reach an agreement with Europe, which is a real possibility, would be acceptable in the short-term and positive in the long

Positive in economic terms.

But there's more to this than economics.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 12:29 pm
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Withdrawn promises? Last time I looked we were still leaving the EU. That was what it was all about


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 12:39 pm
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[quote=teamhurtmore ]better: resilience of consumer and appetite for debt

What could possibly go wrong with that?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:22 pm
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Withdrawn promises?

350 million for the nhs
Lots of amazeballs trade
All of the good things none of the bad
Etc etc etc read Jambys list

Last time I looked we were still leaving the EU

Well ask the courts
That was what it was all about

Were you asleep during the campaign?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:26 pm
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A lot can go wrong with that aracer, and probably will.

Mike, anyone with half a brain knew that the five core promises were BS. You can't deliver BS unless you are a bull and I see no horns on the PM

The courts are not ruling on Brexshit, they are ruling on the simple issue of AoP v Royal Preogative. They should vote for the former but apparently it's q close.

No. I was wide awake. See above.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:38 pm
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Britain's Brexit prospects are not as catastrophic as Project Fear warned
The failure to reach an agreement with Europe, which is a real possibility, would be acceptable in the short-term and positive in the long. Out of the top five export markets, three are outside the EU

Hardly rocket surgery, is it?
As a company there'll be two options when the EU slams the door. cease trading and make folks redundant or brazen it out intil we get back on an even keel. What the Brexshitters have to do is prove that new trade deals will be significantly better than the current ones. And aslo don't forget that a large number of people opposed to leave will be grafting to make it work, so don't get smug just yet.
Your ability to see a future is phenomenal, let's drill down and offer specifics now.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:39 pm
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Mike,manhole with half a brain knew that the five core promises ere BS. You can't deliver BS unless you are a bull and I see no horns on the PM

Hence withdrawal of promises, people believed them.
The courts are not ruling on Brexshit, they are ruling on the simple issue of AoP v Royal Preogative

And again tm knows how much shit it will unleash and tear the Tories apart. Still a reasonable bet on parliament knocking her back.
May not have been asleep but getting selective


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:42 pm
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@kelvin politicians are well advised to put assets in blind trusts to avoid any notion that they are influencing policy for personal gain.

Jamba - completely agree, but did you accidentally post this in the wrong thread?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:46 pm
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Nice


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 1:51 pm
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This is interesting. Acting in line with "democracy", doing what the "overwhelming" majority of Britons want, respecting the referendum result appears to be causing folk to tust politicians less (excepting UKIP).

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/16/britons-trust-in-government-media-business-falls-sharply?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-2

Not surprised really when interest of acting in our interests, they meekly do whatever they're told in a very narrow referendum. Anyone could do that and on minimum wage too.

Time to grow up and do what you were elected to do guys?

Just to be clear there's more trust (though hardly resounding) in the EU than in our politicians.

Addressing institutions, 18% of respondents said they trust political parties in general to “do what is right” compared with 19% for political leaders, 27% for the EU, 55% for the British people and 88% for family.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 2:11 pm
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If the £ stays this low will Trump really want a trade deal that undercuts his own countries industry?

The low cost of paying people to build cars in pesos has been a huge part of his 'campaign'

Getting into bed with trump sounds dangerous to me (watersports aside)


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 2:25 pm
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Trump has already said he wants a 35% import tax on all cars built outside the USA.
He has already made it clear that includes us here in Europe, not just Mexico.
Other industries have been mentioned as well, including high tech areas we aspire to compete in.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 2:28 pm
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I like that 35% tax on imported car, it's an idea the a free Yorkshire could copy. 35% on imported ewes n tups for a start.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:01 pm
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Trump has already said he wants a 35% import tax on all cars built outside the USA.

Hopefully that'll mean they won't have to try and sell their junk over here.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:03 pm
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Should I buy my euros now or wait til the pound rallies in March?


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:08 pm
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@old indeed meant for NHS thread where May was being discussed.

IMF gives UK largest growth forecast upgrade, more humble pie admitting it got Brexit forecasts wrong

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/16/imf-makes-u-turn-britains-economic-prospects-brexit-fears-prove/

Things are going to be tough for sure going forward if I am right about the eurozone but the Brexit campaign BS is being shown for what it was


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:15 pm
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What did they do with the 2017 forecast?

What are they predicting for this year v last year?rrr

The International Monetary Fund has revised up its growth forecast for the UK this year, but pencilled in a downgrade for 2018 as the fund expects the [b]economic pain of Brexit to be delayed rather than avoided.[/b]


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:17 pm
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IMF gives UK largest growth forecast upgrade, more humble pie admitting it got Brexit forecasts wrong

Forecasts that assumed we'd be leaving the EU 6 months earlier than we will be.
Of course the forecasts need revising, especially for 2017.
Still worse than the forecasts which were based on leaving being stopped completely.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:22 pm
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Hopefully that'll mean they won't have to try and sell their junk over here.

We will accept GMO and hormone beef a complete break up of the NHS in exchange for 34% tariffs on imports.

And we will rejoice that we have a trade deal.


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:27 pm
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What's the tax rate for gimmers mt


 
Posted : 16/01/2017 7:44 pm
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Jamba - does that graph basically show everyone up to some extent due to a) improving economic conditions globally and b) Brexit being delayed by going on 12 months - with the exception of Italy who are dangerously close to following us down the Brexit route (but wavering) and are complete political basket cases (again)?

I noted on Fox (sorry Sky) News they were talking about the signs of a eurozone recovery looking good. Which, if true, would mean that we've walked away at exactly the wrong moment.


 
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