I reckon we might see £1 worth less than €1 this week 😕
If only we had some way to trigger a general election (rather than leaving that to MPs).
As long as May panders to the most right wing mouth foamers there's really no chance of a GE.
Toothless Jeremy with his "i feel your pain" Facebook posts on a range of mamby Pamby issues
Lib Dems nowhere
UKIP hovering dangerously
Nothing else out there.
The only thing you can hope for is a Tory revolt
I don't see the logical consistency in any qualification of Brexshit mefty. May is correct that Brexshit means Brexshit. Any qualifications are logically inconsistent.
But you are correct, I am seeking to limit the downside risk.
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Responsibility is hard to accept, I can agree with that. You don't need to look far on here to see many many others struggling with that.
No offence meant 8) but NO, you voted leave.. you need to say it, believe it and accept it! That is how it works.
Calling people idiots when perhaps you are more responsible than them, seems very short sighted to me.
With Trump wanting a quick and fair deal with the Uk , say goodbye to any workers right .
Watching the news, I am left with the appalling vision of Trump and Gove together. Nightmares guaranteed tonight.
I think you will find I posted some of those links, I think in reality, rather than the hyperbole, it is about very little else.
So being in the EU (and other European institutions) is about nothing other than trade?
Leaving them will only effect our trading arrangements?
That is all that will change?
> blinks <
one quarter didn't vote which usually suggests happy with status quo
I would suggest that really means happy with whatever is decided, not happy with the status quo...
@igm prior immigrants are always most at risk from new immigrants as it's their jobs and lifetsyle which face challenge. That's a true-ism. Been picked up in various TV pieces inc today's Sky interviews and the piece with Jess Phillips and Rees-Mogg.
@kelvin that's not how the Scottish Indy Ref and accompanying Edinburgh agreement worked. A 50.1 / 49.9 vote for an Independent Scotland would have been legally binding. It would have been greated with a huge celebration of "people's democracy" by Salmond and the SNP. Dancing in the streets etc. The SNP would kill for 52/48
Hammond is just mirroring the "tough talking" the EU has been doing and why not ? All this nonsense repeated here too about the negotiation being somehow one sided against the UK.
say goodbye to any workers right
Erm, okay BS Bill.. whatever you say. 🙄 (No offence, just wanted to get in there before all the 'fact based debaters' picked your post apart)
With Trump working with the UK you can say goodbye to pudding!
With Trump wanting a quick and fair deal with the Uk , say goodbye to any workers right .
The Great Repeal Bill will enshrine all existing UK workers rights in law and May has committed to keep them as long as she is PM. Nothing in TTIP was going to change workers rights.
The Great Repeal Bill will enshrine all existing UK workers rights in law and May has committed to keep them as long as she is PM. Nothing in TTIP was going to change workers rights.
Are you prepared to stake your reputation on this?
The Great Repeal Bill will enshrine all existing UK workers rights in law and May has committed to keep them as long as she is PM.
But the point is that currently they are beyond the tampering of our politicians.
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The Great Repeal Bill will enshrine all existing UK workers rights in law and May has committed to keep them as long as she is PM. Nothing in TTIP was going to change workers rights.
Are you prepared to stake your reputation on this?
Genuine LOL
I reckon we might see £1 worth less than €1 this week
It will change on ce all those European banks are in trouble...
Another genuine LOL.
How many NHS services will be provided by American companies?
that's not how the Scottish Indy Ref and accompanying Edinburgh agreement worked
Agreed. And? Parliament made the EU referendum advisory, and would not have passed it as binding without additional checks and requirements. That Cameron and May both claimed it as anything but advisory is irrelevant to the truth of the matter, and goes against what parliament voted for. Parliament should insist on doing its job, even if court action is required. Current MPs are clearly not up for it, in the main.
The Great Repeal Bill will enshrine all existing UK workers rights in law and May has committed to keep them as long as she is PM. Nothing in TTIP was going to change workers rights
The problem is that amendments to the laws being incorporated could be changed by secondary legislation without parliamentary oversight. While arguably necessary in some cases where the effects are unlikely to meaningfuly alter lives and just due to the numbers of laws needing integrating there is nothing to stop adjustment of other laws that would materially damage or remove existing rights.
I don't trust any politician with that degree of power, and certainly not the flavour of Tories we have at the moment.
So being in the EU (and other European institutions) is about nothing other than trade?
Leaving them will only effect our trading arrangements?
That is all that will change?
Yep, because an awful lot else is up to us, if we decide to change things we will. If not, we won't.
mefty - MemberIn both cases the consensus changed
That's actually untrue. Although the Tories would rather people thought otherwise there was strong opposition to Clem Attlee and Nye Bevan, there was no consensus. Even the Guardian newspaper opposed the the creation of the NHS, something which was considered to be extreme left-wing and hadn't occurred anywhere outside the Soviet Union.
It wasn't initially embraced by the Tories at all. There was a clear alternative - the Tories. And yet the people still voted in favour of it.
Likewise when in 1979 Margaret Thatcher introduced privatisation and neo-liberal economic policies which had only been previously applied in Latin American military dictatorships she did not share the same goals as the Labour Party, or indeed LibDems, the British people had a very clear alternative to her policies. It wasn't until 1997 that the Labour Party fully embraced privatisation and neo-liberalism, and the LibDems even later.
Both in Attlee and Thatcher would in their day have been considered to be extremists. And there are other examples in history such as William Wilberforce an anti-slavery extremist who went against conventional wisdom and was a highly successful politician.
Your claim that [i]"British politics has never been prone to extremes"[/i] and that change only occurs under conditions of consensus is false imo.
Yep, because an awful lot else is up to us, if we decide to change
An awful lot requires supra-national coordination and oversight to be maintained.
Otherwise, business just moves to areas without protection (for workers rights, environment etc) or with low taxation.
Harmonisation, and improvement of, such things, is why so many hate the EU and other European bodies, and their "interfering".
An awful lot requires supra-national coordination and oversight to be maintained.
Why?
Harmonisation, and improvement of, such things, is why so many hate the EU and other European bodies, and their "interfering"
Did you just make that up? Harmonisation of workers rights and improvement of the environment is why people hate the EU??
Perhaps we needed you on the red bus committee. No bugger would have believed that!
Are you prepared to stake your reputation on this?
Indeed, soooo much to lose 🙂
Your claim that "British politics has never been prone to extremes" and that change only occurs under conditions of consensus is false imo.
To be fair, he said 'prone to extremes'. So whilst you list a few examples of extremists, that doesn't imply that extremists are likely, which is what prone to means.
Mefty - if it's all about trade then presumably everyone will be happy to keep freedom of movement of people? And the European court?
Igm don't be silly it's about getting ride of the courts and freedom of movement. The eu will just trade on whatever terms we tell them. Drake Nelson and Wellington are just getting their stuff ready to remind them who runs the world these days.
Bit of a coup for Gove and embarrassing for May to have a backbencher meet Trump b4 she did and discuss Brexshit and trade deals etc!
Likewise Johnson, I'll bet it made the old knife wound in his back itch.
I wonder if Murdoch may be turning against May.
Did you just make that up? Harmonisation of workers rights and improvement of the environment is why people hate the EU??Perhaps we needed you on the red bus committee. No bugger would have believed that!
You missed Boris banging on about vacuum cleaners in front of that red bus?
I didn't say these were the things that swayed the extra people needed to vote Leave, I'm saying that those that hate the EU, and campaigned for decades to leave, rather than on balance decided we're better off out, do indeed cite the regulation and laws that restrict environment damage, protect human rights, give workers minimum conditions, etc as the reasons why.
Pound taking a bit of a battering this morning.
Pound taking a bit of a battering this morning.
Apparently this is good and part of the long term, yet still unknown (by anyone) plan.
Relax. Everything will/could/might be better.
May has been very wise as regards the pound though.
Teasing slowly helps price In the drop, rather than have too big a shock drop in one go.
Still further down to go yet… but it could have mostly occurred in 2016, at least she's been buying time for people to get used to the idea.
Question: are Boris and Gove more powerful when Journalists or Ministers?
Michael Gove on R4 right now wetting himself with excitement.
I'm sure a deal involving the UK bending over and taking it can be done quickly....
[I]Cake and eat it...... yougov poll
http://www.open-britain.co.uk/morgan_new_poll_shows_leave_voters_not_prepared_to_have_their_family_finances_affected [/i]
Yes, which is why I (personally) consider the non-dogmatic Leave voters as basically stupid because they are unable to grasp the concept that 'things' are connected.
They seemed to blindly believe that the only thing that would occur if Leave won is that we would leave the EU, and that this action would have no other consequences nor impact them personally (except positively no doubt).
Hey, grow up Leavers!
As brexit hasn't been triggered, no one knows the plan and certainly no idea of the outcome. How low can the Pound go?
As May seems to have a pathological hatred of immigrants Brexit is not going to be pretty. To hell with the interests of the UK.
Quick Trade deal, yeah right.... as with most things to the simple minded it always looks [url= https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/europe/belgium-farmers-block-eu-trade-deal.html ]easier than it is[/url].
[quote=milleboy ]Pound taking a bit of a battering this morning.
How will we cope with the influx of tourists?
As brexit hasn't been triggered, no one knows the plan and certainly no idea of the outcome. How low can the Pound go?
I suspect that at some point the BoE is going to start turning up interest rates.
Quite what that will do to house prices I don't know. If we stop having foreigners coming to live here as well, presumably it's going to be back to the good old days of negative equity!
Intereresting reaction to little news. So May is going to rule out EEA and/or customs union. Yes? The world is round?uu
Perhaps markets are more sanguine than headlines today - FTSE 100 largely flat having been up.
No plan - looks like an FTA or WTO from here.
Both weaker that whate we have now, but there we go.
The world is round?
Indeed, but slowly dripping these things out, when she could have announced them months ago, is in itself a plan of sorts.
Indeed, but slowly dripping these things out, when she could have announced them months ago, is in itself a plan of sorts.
The how to boil a frog plan.....
One thing is certain Mrs May is keeping the independence of Yorkshire negotiations very secret. We can wait up here. We've no need to be so secretive though, no immigrants from Lancashire, no southern softies an their fancy ways. Everyone else welcome, even from Scotlandshire. However they must buy a beer whenever asked by a person born of the great County of York. Oops missed one the borders of Yorkshire to be restored to its pre 1974 size. Particularly Saddleworth as there proper miserable there. Also a ban on Humberside, it's part of the East Riding.
Both weaker that whate we have now, but there we go.
Here speaks the broken man, the torture has finally done for him, all he wants is it all just to end.
