And its Jamba who is accused of peddling lies, extraordinary.
Sadly, mrmo's prediction is quite plausible. The vast majority of #jambyfacts are not. Simples.
Gerard Coyne interviewed on Sophy Ridge, candidate for leadership of UNITE is clear that his members want an end to freedom of movement.
They swallowed the BS
Surely the Best for Remainers is the worst for Brexiters ?
In the interview with the Sunday newspaper, Hammond also emphasised that restricting immigration would be the British government’s priority during negotiations . “We are aware that the message from the referendum is that we must control our immigration policy ,” he said.
Not really sure how May and the torie have managed to subvert the vote on the EU to a vote on immigration. Sure some did but not all and t wa not a vote on immigration
May really does seem to hate immigrants whilst telling us all how christian values are what define her
She does not seemed to have grasped much of the message of christ on how to treat folk
I thought it was acknowledged by now that immigration and interference by Johnny Foreigner were the main factors in the vote to leave.
Hang on - have I missed the bit where Jamba showed strength of character and apologised for lying about the UK being the strongest G7 economy post Brexit?
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/01/why-post-truth-age-bullshitters-are-winning
Hammond: We are now objectively a European-style economy. We are on the US end of the European spectrum, but we do have an open-market economy with a social model that is recognized in the mainstream of European norms, not US norms. And most of us who had voted in the European-style economy with European-style taxation systems, European-style regulation systems etcetera. I personally hope to be able to help you. But if we are forced to be something different, then we will have something different.
taken from the Welt interview.
read it how you want, we follow the European model but if we have to change we have to change. Change to what is the question. So we come to what are the options, a more inclusive, more caring country where the NHS is fully funded, where pensions are generous etc. OR more like the US health insurance minimal welfare etc.
Now the evidence, look at the UK, take the NHS going well isn't it!
Also he mentions we have 3million EU citizens and full employment so we need the europeans....
May really does seem to hate immigrants whilst telling us all how christian values are what define her
perfectly christian, Crusades, Conquisators, Missionaries etc etc etc.
Christianity like most religions isn't tolerant of dissent.
She does not seemed to have grasped much of the message of christ on how to treat folk
Socialism is the political basis for a christian. You simply cannot be a conservative and a christian as conservatism by it's nature is screwing the less fortunate who also need the most help.
Immigration was a significant issue in the campaign and in the 2015 General election. Leaving the EU allows the Tories to work on delivering their manifesto pledge.
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
I thought it was acknowledged by now that immigration and interference by Johnny Foreigner were the main factors in the vote to leave.
It is. Something like like for the average leave voter;
- Immigration bad
- All other factors too complicated to understand but immigration is bad whatever.
TBH I think May missed a trick by not magicing up money for the NHS very early in her term , this blaming DRs for causing the current NHS issue is a bit naive IMHO and definitely not a way to go about getting everyone onboard sorting out the NHS.
Jumped right on the immigration bandwagon but not the other vote winner bit odd that.
Has she actually done anything in the last six months apart from devaluing the pound every time she opens her gob ?
"only an asshole could hear "charity begins at home" and interpret it to mean that it also ends there"
http://www.cracked.com/article_20251_the-5-most-frequently-misused-proverbs.html
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Would you like to quote the Chapter and Verse that refers to that #JambyJesusFact?
And presumably in your case, that would mean looking after France before Britain, given where your home is?
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Do not bring religion into it! You're struggling with facts in the real world! 😛
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Friends, you mean the Tory paymasters?
[b]"It's nothing to do with immigrants"[/b]
[b]"It's all to do with immigrants"[/b]
I know people who voted Leave in each of these two camps.
We all knew which camp May was in before the vote (despite voting to Remain), she made it very clear.
The vote was not a vote on immigration, even if it was the main issue at the heart of the Leave campaign (which many Leave campaigners denied it was).
May would be perusing the same agenda on immigration now, no matter which way the vote had gone.
Andrew Marr wrote a good article in the [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/optimists-guide-brexit ]New Statesman[/url] before Christmas which, inter alia, bemoaned the lack of imagination displayed by politicians when confronted with the inevitability of Brexit - the debate on here is much the same.
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Actually they teach that you help those less fortunate than yourselves - see the Good Samaritan for example. Which by your reckoning Jamba must be folk outside of the UK, immigrants and refugees. Agreed?
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
On that basis, most Brexies need to get a grip.
On that basis, most Brexies need to get a grip.
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements, which is hardly revolutionary - although some of the hyperbole suggests it is - but that is safely ignored.
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements, which is hardly revolutionary - although some of the hyperbole suggests it is - but that is safely ignored.
So that means that the remainers who want to maintain the status quo are the extremists then?
So that means that the remainers who want to maintain the status quo are the extremists then?
Of course, how could one reach any other conclusion.
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism.
As Charlie Brooker said, "What happened to meh? I quite liked meh".
Oh just spotted this by Nicky Morgan too:
"The government will be doing a disservice to the country and to both Leave and Remain voters if it dogmatically pursues a hard, destructive Brexit where immigration control is the be all and end all, our economy is undermined, and people are left poorer."
Of course, how could one reach any other conclusion.
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Not for sensitive souls.
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements,
You need to wake up, then. What is (also) in doubt is the residence status of family members of UK nationals who have the misfortune to be foreigners.
Immigration is key to Brexshit/populism which is why current trends are so dangerous. Have we forgotten history?
Mefty, we both agree on what Brexsit should be about, but the hyperbole took over a long time ago.
adds christianity and the phrase charity begins at home to list of things jamby does not understand
Did I say Charity [b]ends[/b] at home ? You've taken the phrase and tried to infer something it doesn't say. We have one of the world's most generous foreign aid budgets, £12bn a year. We are the second largest supporter/funder of Syrian refugee camps, second only to the US. When you consider the oil wealth of the Middle East that's pretty staggering. What is the best way to help refugees, the Germans are spending €20bn pa (their number, mine is €40bn) to help a million people the minority of which are Syrian.
Coming back to UNITE concern over uncontrolled immigration is strongest amongst those commnities most exposed to the negative economic impacts. This includes non-EU immigrants. More on Sophy Ridge in her interview with John McDonnel and his East London constituents. Son of Maltese immigrants thinks it's "gone too far" for example.
Interesting if that last point is true Jamba, because traditionally in Britain opposition to immigration is strongest in the lowest immigration areas.
So that would be a huge change.
Do you have an independent source?
Son of Maltese immigrants thinks it's "gone too far" for example.
Malta is a member of the Commonwealth, so he's alright jack.
Do you have an independent source?s
Most optimistic question of the day goes to you
What are these negative economic impacts?
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements, which is hardly revolutionary - although some of the hyperbole suggests it is - but that is safely ignored.
Keep up, if the referendum campaign had been just about our trading arrangements, it would never have gone the same way, those running the Leave campaign have said so (read back in this thread for quotes and full sources). Our PM has made it clear that her red lines are nothing to with out trading arrangements, and everything to do with immigration and court jurisdiction. Other ministers are taking about a bonfire of regulation, and a reshaping of what the state does for who, and who pays.
Coming back to UNITE concern over uncontrolled immigration is strongest amongst those commnities most exposed to the negative economic impacts.
This is almost certainly true.
Communities most exposed to negative economic impacts show the most concern about immigration.
However, it does not necessarily follow that those negative economic impacts are caused by immigration.
In addition, many areas with lower immigration are suffering the negative economic impacts more than areas with the highest immigration.
mefty - MemberThe simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
If you think British politics has never been prone to extremes how do you explain the post-war creation of the welfare state, initially unique outside the Soviet Union? No other Western country had anything remotely similar.
And how do you explain the election of a neo-liberal government in 1979, at the time quite unique outside Latin American dictatorships?
Clem Attlee and Margaret Thatcher not extremists? Yeah right
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
We've had some form of extremism going on for the last 40 years, that people think its now normal. If you look at someone like trump and all he spouts, in time he will do what he said he will do, and the majority will probably shrug and carry on, therefore creating a new normality.
jambalaya - MemberJunkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
You must belong to a dodgy Christian outfit. JC's message was very clear - you must love your neighbour as yourself.
Neighbour doesn't mean family and friends.
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That Ernie's poster girl is considered extreme tells you all you need to know about how shockingly bland UK politics is?
Was she as good at cutting spending as the current group of nasties?
Odd to read the Brexshit Bugle of all papers talking about "membership" of the single market. Do they not even get it either???
Was she as good at cutting spending as the current group of nasties?
When has it ever been about cutting spending? IT is all about spending in the "right" places.
So where have the nasties been making the wrong choices? Were the protected three the wrong ones?
That Ernie's poster girl is considered extreme tells you all you need to know about how shockingly bland UK politics is?
Extreme has become normalised. Even though Cameron's and now Maybe's Governments are the most right wing we've had.
Was she as good at cutting spending as the current group of nasties?
Every journey begins with a single step...
Odd to read the Brexshit Bugle of all papers talking about "membership" of the single market. Do they not even get it either???
They still think they can pick and choose what bits of the EU they want. However, I suspect the EU will say all or nothing.
Indeed "the most RW". QED. Bland Centralist politics defines us.- and we are better for it.
