Jambas, I am also looking forward to seeing first rates this year and next. In the meantime, may I repeat my question, how fast are the EU and the EZ growing NOW. I am Intirgued to know Sha "Very weak" is.
Mrovershoot, on your side, you might want to apologise to Jambas as his "fact" about G7 growth rates is correct. (But it is not expected to last.)
Jamby claimed it was the strongest economy not it was the fastest growing- i have no idea how such a nebulous concept would be proved tbh
Head EU negotiator speaking at private meeting was minuted as saying (quite correctoy) that the EU needed open access to the London financial markets
this is not what the minutes said and it is not what hs clarification said either
the jambyfacts - though thi sis more a distortion of what happened that a complete fabrication- come so often some slip under the radar
the actual facts are below for anyone who cares - clearly not you Jamby
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff" day in day out rather than engage in a discussion. They don't have the strength of character to do either of those things.
More than one attendee at the EU meeting backed up the Torygraph piece not least as its true. Mark mynwords Trumps election and his approach to the IMF is going to put the fear of God into the EU. He (quite rightly) is going to screw the EU into the ground over their mishandling of Greece. The EU needs the City of London very badly right now.
Please. I have apologised on this very thread when I have said things clumsily or in accurately.
Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
The EU needs the City of London very badly right now
Probably mutual given what Trump and his protectionist tendency might do. But then again, Trump, who knows?
True.
But 😉 I will still repeat my question politely!!
Avez-vous remarque....... 😉
This made me laugh. He might want to have a word with his EU colleagues from Ireland and Luxembourg first
I am encouraged by Barnier's rhetoric so far.
Agreed Jamba - but surely you've found a kindred spirit there?
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff" day in day out rather than engage in a discussion. They don't have the strength of character to do either of those things.
Plenty of "engagement", you just refuse to back up your blatant lies when asked to. It gets tedious.
You just move on and ignore all questions others ask you about your spurious claims.
Still, the world is going the way you want, and the tactics you use here are proven to work in the wider world now, so why should you care?
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff" day in day out rather than engage in a discussion. They don't have the strength of character to do either of those things.
Beyond parody.
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff" day in day out rather than engage in a discussion. They don't have the strength of character to do either of those things.
I would post something more pithy in response but my irony meter has just exploded and I can't see the screen for smoke....
The Barnier story.
http://m.economictimes.com/news/international/business/eu-needs-special-rules-to-protect-it-from-british-financial-risk-michel-barnier/articleshow/56537877.cmsBRUSSELS: The European Union's Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said on Saturday that the EU would need "special vigilance" in letting British financial firms access the bloc because of the large risk London could pose to the EU's financial stability.Responding to a report in the Guardian which said he had told EU lawmakers that he wanted a special deal to maintain EU firms' access to the City of London, Barnier tweeted: "When asked on equivalence I said: EU would need special vigilance on financial stability risk, not special deal to access the City."
An EU spokesman said the Guardian report did "not correctly reflect" Barnier's comments to a closed-door meeting with members of the European Parliament last week.
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff"
The problem is, so much of what you have posted is either a blatant lie or such a twisting of the truth to not be very far removed from one, the very rare occasion you actually post something factual is very easy to miss.
I suggest you have a read about [i]The Boy Who Cried Wolf[/i].
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Oh dear, stay short £ and FTSE 250 and long FTSE 100
Buy land near ports and airports.
Get your Irish passport if you live in NI.
Transitional deal a no brainer.
'Britain is seeking"..no a megalomaniac psycho bitch is.
David Davis is seeking a new deal from the EU that will differ from the current one then, I can see why he got the the job.
Oh shit!
oh dear , Brexit means Brexit .
Lets hope Putin decides to leak her donkey sex tape pretty soon.
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff"
Given the leave campaign director basically said we had to lie and it worked otherwise people wouldn't have voted for it, I can't see anyone apologising for the lies, same as the Trump thread people rejoice in the lies and tell us how it's clever politics and winning is what matters.
#350millionlies
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Mrovershoot, on your side, you might want to apologise to Jambas as his "fact" about G7 growth rates is correct. (But it is not expected to last.)
He well might be correct as of now & possibly proved right in the future but his quote was
[i]"The UK remains the G7's strongest Economy post Brexit"[/i]
We are not at "post Brexit" yet
"The UK remains the G7's strongest Economy post Brexit"
The USA is the strongest economy in the G7.
I'd expect it still to be post Brexit.
We may be growing faster, but our growth rate would have to be insane to overtake USA .
@Kimbers, that might be my favourite thing you've ever posted 🙂 seriously its been obvious we will leave THE single market as Gisela and so many other people have said, THE single market is the EU. Thats why its ties to freedom of movement, there is no need for freedom of movement in a free trade deal. Its a political add on.
Barnier tweeted: "When asked on equivalence I said: EU would need special vigilance on financial stability risk
Stable door. Horse. Bolted.
Mr Overshoot yes fair enough, I should have said post-Referendum. It is right to say we are at the point of maximum uncertainty.
Kelvin yes I meant growth wise
TMH you know the answer to your question so why would I reply, it wasn't the comparison I made anyway ? Also IMO G7 is the comparison we want to be making not an EU hotch-potch. If you want to compare with EU countries go ahead. BTW Germany has started to get a grip on the cost of the 1m refugees they took in, €20bn (IMO real cost will be double that). Interesting story on the Chernobyl thread that EDF will need a massive bailout. The bills are mounting.
Transitional deal a no brainer.
Depends on terms, freedom of movement, ECJ and of course cost. All to be none for me.
no a megalomaniac psycho bitch is.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Jambas, mon amis, I was referrring to this comparison that you made
The UK remains the G7's strongest Economy post Brexit and activity in the rest of Europe is very weak.
As we both know the second part of the comparison is not true. GDP growth in EU is only slightly less than the UK (and in some cases higher) and has recently (like the UK) surprised on the upside.
Govt. now threatening tax cuts to level the playing field if we don't get single market access.
Threatening?
We decided to leave! We don't get to threaten.
What a bunch of utter fools we have leading these negotiations.
Don't mistake them for fools. They will do quite nicely out of it. It's those who voted out who are the fools.
On the lose:lose theme
So the Gov is now preparing us for a slow, hard exit. Q impressive to pick the worst bits from both aspects.
Abandon European style social model.... So what does that mean... oh yes lets scrap the NHS, scrap any employment rights lets move to a US model.
And then May is saying lets all pull together, if that is the plan then sorry, Brexiters are scum.
Intersting to see that no one really trusts any of the politicians to solve the issues and that the NHS is starting to fall apart
Really will have to consider if i want to live in this country anymore. No opposition a government hell bent on destroying the quality of life and death in this country.
Intersting to see that no one really trusts any of the politicians to solve the issues and that the NHS is starting to fall apart
Parhaps a call for Sir Alan to run things then? He's probably not loopy enough though.
Brexiters are scum.
It took you 6 months to realise that?
Well it looks like she has gone totally mental.
There's a march coming up soon ,be on it.
http://remainvisual.co.uk/2017/01/06/unite-for-europe-march/
If you can't make it join a pro eu organisation or even the lib dems.
DO SOMETHING WHILE WE STILL CAN.
Brexiters are scum.
It took you 6 months to realise that?
No, but in the interests of "uniting the country" I was merely happy to say i believed that they were wrong. IF what is being leaked comes to pass, then merely being wrong is no longer a fitting emotion.
The UK has a serious issue in that there is no opposition, the politicians really haven't got a clue. When the bottom of the pile realise just how bad it is going to get then what? What is the murder rate in South Africa, Brazil etc? Look at how peaceful and tolerant Victorian England was!
I guess the next step is bring back hanging, can't have any of that European human rights malarky.
If they had a referendum on capital punishment then hanging would be back, along with 0% income tax if they also asked what the tax rate should be
If they had a referendum on capital punishment then hanging would be back, along with 0% income tax if they also asked what the tax rate should be
And does the death penalty work? Looking at murder rates around the world in from the UKs history, no. Does it result in the innocent dying, definitely.
I always wondered where the "End is Nigh" placard wearers has disappeared to, now I know.
Just more brexishambles really, the transition deal promises an election with only one focus next time round.
Hammond threatening to turn us into a tax haven if we don't get what we want .. 😛
Well that's not totally stupid
Hammond must be feeling even more isolated now
In short, the UK is Going for Hard Brexit but not straight away?
Surely that is a win for the Remainers camp.
Gerard Coyne interviewed on Sophy Ridge, candidate for leadership of UNITE is clear that his members want an end to freedom of movement.
@kimbers IMO 2020 election was always going to be about the vision for Britain outside the EU. Whatever deals are negotiated they are going to be in place by 2020, old news in election terms. I am sure we'll get some "electoral carrots" like ending VAT on ultility bills which would not be possible inside the EU.
Look at unemployment TMH, around 10% in many countries with youth unemployment anywhere from 25-50%. What's the stat, UK and Germany have created 80% of the new jobs in the EU in the last year ? There is a good reason our exports to the EU have been steadily sliding for 10 years and that's because the EU is very weak.
Brexiters are scum
All 17.5 milion people eh ?
In short, the UK is Going for Hard Brexit but not straight away?
Surely that is a win for the Remainers camp.
My view is there will be an EU trade deal, the above plus that is about the best Remainers could have expected I think.
All 17.5 milion people eh ?
yes, if what is being leaked comes to pass. They have enabled the destruction of the welfare state. For that i can not forgive them. Simple really.
yes, if what is being leaked comes to pass. They have enabled the destruction of the welfare state. For that i can not forgive them. Simple really.
And its Jamba who is accused of peddling lies, extraordinary.
In short, the UK is Going for Hard Brexit but not straight away?
Surely that is a win for the Remainers camp.
Only if you have enough faith that people will come to their senses and realise that brown people (who don't come from Europe anyway and thus were still subject to our ****ing border control and visa system) aren't to blame for the economic and social mess the UK is in
Yes there is an UN problem is some economies but that does not equate to your conclusion. It is merely one objective among many.
The EU may have problems but it is not very weak as you keep implying - at least not on the growth terms that you were indicating
