i'd suggest that the 30 hours taken to get the international warrant for arrest going contributed to the miscreant's ability to skip germany.
perhaps if they further integrated their police forces they could operate more cohesively...
The weakness of the arguments for remain were weak because there was no love whatsoever for the EU in the UK.
No love whatsoever? That explains the landslide victory then.
The weakness of the arguments for remain were weak because there was no love whatsoever for the EU in the UK.
I diagree.
By the way EU taxes include 5-10% VAT on food and full VAT on utilities. The EU has continually tried to erode our low/vat free rates
There will be no unity until Remainers accept they lost the Referendum as their (weak) arguments where rejected and there will be no unity until the insults stop, which from this thread we can see will be no time soon.
But that would mean me accepting that I'm the same sort of hypocrite and snake oil salesman as you and that's never ever going to happen.
perhaps if they further integrated their police forces they could operate more cohesively
Absolutely, the EU should have its own FBI, we should be part of that.
Sadly we are looking to reduce our cooperation with the EU at a time we should be uniting, ISIS must love Brexit 😯
The EU has continually tried to erode our low/vat free rates
and failed, damm it's awful how the EU keeps getting it's own way.
[i]I reckon pre schengen it wouldn't be that hard to get from Germany to Italy via France without passing a single border check, there was a point where they didn't even wake up to look at passports when they were manned [/I]
IME every road had a border post, sometimes you got stopped and sometimes you didn't. I also often went between Germany and Poland, after the wall came down, you had trucks queuing for hours/days and every time I went through it was a full search and investigation.
IME every road had a border post, sometimes you got stopped and sometimes you didn't.
yes and hundreds of forest tracks and roads with nothing, I remember some having a little hut with a tourist stamp so you could tick some walking tour boxes
I agree on insults and accepting results. But that does not mean accepting BS as fact. This thread is crammed full of it which is what leads to the insults. The problem needs to be addressed at source though
The problem needs to be addressed at source though
That would require a trip to Slovakia, or Slovenia, or wherever, and having a word with Jamba's mum about what he's up to in his bedroom when he's supposed to be doing what a normal teenage lad does, instead of making up fake news.
i'd suggest that the 30 hours taken to get the international warrant for arrest going contributed to the miscreant's ability to skip germany.
Although allowing him to remain wandering around freely after rejecting his asylum claim probably contributed to his ability to skip Germany too. As undoubtedly did the failure of Italian officials to deport him previously.
The rich pay a hogher percentage of their income in direct and indirect taxes
Smells like bullshit to me.
Let's do some Google searching…
"While the richest fifth of society paid 34.8 per cent of their overall income in tax last year, those at the bottom of the income scale lost 37.8 per cent of their income to the taxman.
This is a wider gap than last year, when the difference was 2.3 per cent."
Links to the ONS raw data in the article.
Looks like you're not alone in thinking that the low paid live in some kind of low tax nirvana though:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jun/16/british-public-wrong-rich-poor-tax-research
and that is before we get to all those nice tax breaks you get when you are richer, higher pension contributions, that nice CTW scheme, buy to lets etc.
cranberry, you do realise we haven't actually left yet don't you?
The EU, migration and the German market attack - lots of BS flying around.
However the Mirror (the Mirror!) had an interesting piece. Try reading the whole way through.
There will be no unity until[s] Remainers [/s] Brexies accept they [s]lost the Referendum[/s] can't do Brexit as their (weak) [s]arguments where rejected [/s] policies don't work and there will be no unity until the insults stop, which from this thread we can see will be no time soon.
FTFY
Unity?
At no point in my lifetime have either the Conservative or Labour Party had "unity" on this issue, that's why we had a referendum after all… because of the deep disunity in one of them.
Why would the "whole country" find "unity" over how we deal with the rest of Europe, when it isn't even possible to have a couple of hundred MPs of the same party united on the issue.
Let me be clear.
I opposed Brexit before the referendum was called.
I opposed Brexit after the referendum was called - in fact I didn't support having a referendum as it is not the British way, not the democratic way.
I opposed Brexit during the campaign.
I opposed Brexit at the ballot box.
I opposed Brexit as the referendum results came in.
I opposed Brexit after the referendum result.
I opposed Brexit as the Brexies tried to steal British democracy by insisting that the parliamentary process was overridden - to be fair a good number of Brexies objected to overriding our democracy too.
I opposed Brexit now as we see the Brexies in charge squabbling with each other, and May sounding ominously less democratic by the day.
I will oppose Brexit if A50 is triggered.
I will oppose Brexit during any negotiations that may occur.
I will oppose Brexit if we leave the EU.
And I will continue, if that event occurs, to oppose Brexit even afterwards.
I will never show unity with people who are trying to wreck Britain.
What he said ^^^^^
Yep
Even better if you read it in an Ian Paisley style
What IGM said.
I have a real problem with the Daily Mail/write it on a bus so it must be true brigade demanding my unquestioning support.
(Although I did LOL at ninfans comment 🙂 )
Actually ninfan, I can do a decent Rev Paisley impression (but growing up in Glasgow meant I had to be careful where I used it).
You've given me an idea...
Again, what IGM said.
thats a lot of posing....
I'm with igm too.
Let's face whatever we do, if we take a hard in/out decision roughly half the population are going to be pissed off. I personally don't find that an acceptable outcome.
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+1 igm, though I am open to persuasion. It just requires someone to come up with a plan that isn't just a bit of a mess wrapped up in a vacuous slogan. However I anticipate the publication in february of something that equates to:
1. Invoke Article 50.
2. Get the best Red White and Blue plan to Make Britain Great Again.
3. er, that's it.
I've been waiting 6 months now, and have heard nothing but soundbites that make the politicians sound like they haven't even begun to grasp the issues. I guess that's what happens when you surround yourself with yes-men and brown-nosers. Too busy playing at westminster cliques to bother with running the country.
Given that the government website is full of detail on brexshit - for and against etc, i think the criticism of them is a bit misplaced.
Its easy enough to read.
Wot igm said.
I will NEVER reconcile with the far-right filth who are dragging all that is good about this country into the gutter.
Wonder whether the UK will be in financial ruin before Trump manages to trigger WW3 and put us all in a smouldering nuclear holocaust ruin?
Maybe i should ride my bike more before i have radiation sickness and or no money..
Wonder whether the UK will be in financial ruin before Trump manages to trigger WW3 and put us all in a smouldering nuclear holocaust ruin?
Maybe i should ride my bike more before i have radiation sickness and or no money..
What tyres for Nuclear Holocaust?
@muddy, could not have been a more cross political spectrum movement although looking at this you'd assume it was left wing lead. I doff my cap to all our Friends in the North and Midlands and Wales who got the job done 🙂
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Strong on sentiment, devoid of any actual reason. A classic post from you on this issue.
And the Troll laughed "ho ho ho"
If we do hard Brexit 50% of the population will be unhappy.
If we don't leave at all 50% of the population will be unhappy.
Our politicians have done a great job of dividing us.
Mrs M. says we need to "unite and move forward". I'm sure she has a plan. Doesn't she?
We don't need to unite we need a break up now. I'm with the Free Yorkshire sect. Marry Christmas to all but only if you are in Yorkshire?
Blah blah, whinge...
...I will oppose Brexit during any negotiations that may occur.
I will oppose Brexit if we leave the EU.
And I will continue, if that event occurs, to oppose Brexit even afterwards.
Why should I/we brexiteers bother listening to you or trying to be reasonable and come to an accommodation that takes into account your concerns and wishes then?
We held a vote, the majority voted to leave, you don't like that, fine, we get that and would be willing to work with you to be reasonable rather than rubbing your noses in it (like Labour did with diversity, remember?) so us brexiteers are sitting there saying let's negotiate with the EU in order try and come to a mutually beneficial arrangement on travel and work arrangements etc.
But from what you've said above you're not interested in compromise, you have no interest in taking our point of view into account, of listening to concerns on immigration or freedom of establishment. So why the **** should we bother trying to work with you when you're just going to act like a selfish and petulant child who is in a strop because they have had their toy taken away.
If that's your attitude then screw you, we might as well go for hard Brexit and damn the consequences, just to teach you a lesson!
We held a vote, the majority voted to leave, you don't like that, fine, we get that and would be willing to work with you to be reasonable rather than rubbing your noses in it (like Labour did with diversity, remember?) so us brexiteers are sitting there saying let's try and come to an arrangement on travel and work arang,nets
Once you know what the plan is, let us know and we'll decide whether to support. It's a shame that the leading forces behind Brexit have abandoned you now. That must smart a bit.
If sitting there hoping that it's really us lot who are crying into our Turkey dinners over the outcome of the referendum helps assuage your feelings of butthurt, then please feel free to crack on 😉
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IGM +1
Luckily britex has been cancelled.
you have no interest in taking our point of view into account, of listening to concerns on immigration or freedom of establishment
That assumes your brexopath agenda of bigotry and xenophobia is a justifiable point of view to hold in the first instance. It isn't.
slowoldman - MemberIf we do hard Brexit 50% of the population will be unhappy.
If we don't leave at all 50% of the population will be unhappy.
Jamba, of all people, nailed it earlier in the thread, it's not 48/52. Brexit of any sort will satisfy less than 50% of the people- the hard brexiteers will be dissatisfied with a soft brexit, the people who believed the Leave campaign will be dissatisfied by a hard brexit. Only a subset of the 52 will be happy with either brexit.
