It might not be a justifiable point of view nipper but IT IS the majority one (sadly) so (equally sadly) we have to run with it and make th best of a bad job. We are a largely xenophobic and at times racist society. Welcome to Brexshit Britain
No, we don't. Replace the wording with 'Brexshit' and you get the gist.
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All this "we have to run with it" bunkem. If we'd just had a referendum and UK had voted to hang gays, you think I'd be sitting here sayin "we lost but best just get on with it"??
Like ****.
nah its only the 17million that voted out will be unhappy if brexshit were cancelled another nearly 17 million happy, the other 30 million will be 'meh'
and as old age will be claiming many of the outies it'll all be fine 😉
First ninfan, there was no whinging just a statement of my position. I don't expect you to like it, but the Brexies give us no choice.
As you will be aware the UK narrowly voted to leave the EU, but said nothing about the single market / economic area / 4 freedoms etc because they weren't in the voting slip - except we know from the vote that at least 48% of folk who voted want to keep them because that's inherent in staying in the EU. But even on June 23rd that was a minimum.
There is no mandate for hard Brexit. Sorry.
So stop trying to ram it down people's throats.
If that's your attitude then screw you, we might as well go for hard Brexit and damn the consequences, just to teach you a lesson!
It won't teach me a lesson. Personally I'll be fine either way. But it will hurt plenty of people who are closer to the breadline.
but said nothing about the single market / economic area / 4 freedoms etc because they weren't in the voting slip
But you weren't arguing any of those points were you? You made it perfectly clear that you were, and would continue to, reject Brexit in its entirety.
There is no mandate for hard Brexit. Sorry.
So stop trying to ram it down people's throats
There is, categorically, no longer a mandate to remain in the EU, so why on earth do you insist on trying to force it down people's throats?
If that's your attitude then screw you, we might as well go for hard Brexit and damn the consequences, just to teach you a lesson!
I found that spite was never the best motivation for placing an X on the voting slip.
What'll you do when we're still attached to EU in some way, shape or form? Cry into your Turkey?
Ninfan - I do. Because the Brexies are insisting on hard Brexit. Stuff 'em.
Come back to the table, talk about how we're going to keep freedom of movement of labour, full single market membership and the ECHR AND ECJ. Do that and we can talk.
Otherwise leave. Feel free to leave the UK please.
The thing is when you're involved in a divorce it doesn't mean you have to accept it. Neither now, later nor ever.
And you certainly don't have to 'unite' behind a cause you don't agree with, even though the Brexiters need us Remainers, cause on the whole they aren't of the ability to sort it out.
But as others have said, bollox as presently you don't look capable of organising a piss-up in a brewery.
Remainers. You don't have have to accept result. In 2020 and thereafter you can support a political party committed to re-joining the EU. As has been proven even a one man band can achieve the truely remarkable.
Remainers. You don't have have to accept result
Certainly as there are a few hurdles the government have to jump before we even start leaving, one of which has is to pass a bill through the commons.
And the Lords mikewsmith.
And Jamba if we can get enough disunity going it will, like it or not, slow the process down and we won't have left by 2020 and no pro-Brexit party will have a chance at that GE.
Here's to disunity.
Remainers. You don't have have to accept result. In 2020 and thereafter you can support a political party committed to re-joining the EU. As has been proven even a one man band can achieve the truely remarkable.
Jamba, you do realise that Brexit is a one way process and most probably can never be reversed. after 40 years of British lies and special deals De Gaulle has been proven right.
But from what you've said above you're not interested in compromise
You have no concept of what "compromise" means. Say, gods forbid, I'm your wife and I'm fed up with you going out riding all the time. I propose smashing up all your bikes; would you accept only smashing up half your bikes as a reasonable compromise? Or would you rather negotiate going out a bit less? A "soft" brexit isn't a compromise, it still screws us over.
Most of the reasons I've seen for Brexit can be fixed without leaving the EU. Immigration, for example; the EU doesn't dictate our immigration policy, we do. The referendumb has shown that a lot of people are dissatisfied with our immigration policy, a sensible course of action would be to review this, surely?
If that's your attitude then screw you, we might as well go for hard Brexit and damn the consequences, just to teach you a lesson!
Yeah, stick it to the man, run the country into the ground, that'll learn 'em!! That's exactly the sort of shitwit thinking that got us into this mess in the first place.
it's not 48/52. Brexit of any sort will satisfy less than 50% of the people- the hard brexiteers will be dissatisfied with a soft brexit, the people who believed the Leave campaign will be dissatisfied by a hard brexit. Only a subset of the 52 will be happy with either brexit.
Aye, this is the crux of the problem. For all the "people have spoken" horseshit, if you look at the people who voted remain, those who voted leave, those who didn't vote and those who couldn't vote, those four groups of people are as close to 25% each as makes no statistical difference. The only way you can appease the majority of the population is to remain in the EU but to address all the main points people cited as reasons for wanting to leave. Because as I've just said, we can fix most if not all of those things without giving up our EU membership.
The one thing the referendum has shown beyond any reasonable argument is that we're a country divided. That right there, front and centre, is what needs addressing and dealing with. Neither a brexit nor a "hard" remain (ie, changing nothing) will resolve this; quite the opposite, it'll drive the wedge deeper between people.
Quite why this wasn't the conclusion drawn and the people at the top are hell bent on driving over a cliff I've no idea. Well, I have suspicions, but they're not pleasant and do us no favours.
Merry Christmas Jambalaya
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Of course Jamba knows it's a one way process, which is why he's hellbent of pushing it through.
And why the hardline Brexiters are also wanting out asap, they don't GAS of what happens after we've instigated A50, as once we've done that they know we're out.
This is why there's no plan, because they don't care what will occur and what state the UK will be in, 'cos we're out.
Morning. Can't bring myself to argue about the EU on Christmas Day. Best wishes everyone one.
Sat in a&e, my 18 yo lad managed to slice his hand open with a knife, the one that came in his new tool kit, as he was cutting thru a tiewrap...
That's one for the scrapbook 😐
'Use Brexit to steal UK trade says Trump aid' ref front page of tomorrow's Times. Good job we have a special relationship.
As Osbourne said (quite rightly) on Marr its much more likley banks will go to New York than Paris or Frankfurt etc. I'd take a job/transfer to NYC over either France or Germany for a lower headline salary as less tax plus a far more dynamic business environment. Far more able to "get the job done" and just better all round.
Business is business. No favours asked or granted. London is full of economically mobile people in all sectors who choose to be there. Not least all the Europeans who don't want to work at home.
Well, sort of sounds OK, except the moving to America thing.
So is economic activity leaving the UK for the US because of Brexit better or worse than economic activity leaving the UK for the rest of the EU?
Or is it just bad either way?
Vultures circling?
So is economic activity leaving the UK for the US because of Brexit better or worse than economic activity leaving the UK for the rest of the EU?
Doesn't matter either way to Jamba, he's sorted and screw the rest.
Merry Christams suckers.
Doesn't matter either way to Jamba, he's sorted and screw the rest.
I'm pretty sure that sums it up. "What's good for (my) business"?
He claims not, so let him answer.
But I thought a free trade deal with the US was going to be our saviour.
I thought it was all about the emerald isle
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/uk-banks-financial-firms-moving-ireland
Captain you do keep ploughing this furrow that Brexit is good for me. It's not, it will hold down house prices and by the time we are out and seeing the Econmic benefits I will be retired.
But I thought a free trade deal with the US was going to be our saviour.
We don't [b]need[/b] a free trade deal with anyone nor do we require a saviour. They are a nice to have. Most countries do just fine without.
[b]Captain you do keep ploughing this furrow that Brexit is good for me.[/b] It's not, it will hold down house prices and by the time we are out and seeing the Econmic benefits I will be retired.
Do I? Sure I've never mentioned it before, but knock me out.
So it holds down prices in the UK. How does it affect those with properties abroad?
We don't need a free trade deal with anyone nor do we require a saviour
priceless 😀
As an aside The The are one of my favourite bands. This is the day when things will surely change. This is the day when things fall into place. June 23, 2016
Many here seem to imply Brexit will be good for me personally or I voted for personal gain. All part of the Pantomime Villan characterisation. Nope. Voted for the long term future of the country.
So it holds down prices in the UK. How does it affect those with properties abroad?
That will be driven by EU, personally I think they are going to be affected far more negatively by events to come inc Brexit and Greek/eurozone debt crises. Property impacted negatively in both places with France worse than the UK
priceless
My gift to you. Always good to end Christmas day with a smile 🙂
That will be driven by EU, personally I think they are going to be affected far more negatively by events to come inc Brexit and Greek/eurozone debt crises. Property impacted negatively in both places with France worse than the UK
You're full of it Jamba, and inconsistencies... Fin.
Jamba - you didn't answer my question (below for reference) which you might like to given there was a strong implication in one of your earlier statements that the US not France or Germany stealing UK business due to Brexit was good. Care to set the record straight, because it did make you sound anti-UK as well as anti-EU.
So is economic activity leaving the UK for the US because of Brexit better or worse than economic activity leaving the UK for the rest of the EU?
Or is it just bad either way?
Vultures circling?
Farages chums are looking to stab us in the back....
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that wasn't on the side of the bus.
There was an interesting program on BBC World re the expectation of US rustbelt Trump voters that Trump will reindustrialise the US. Not sure how that will work without a massive dose of protectionism.
Did I not say a few pages ago that Trimp and his ilk were protectionist and that he'd favour no one but the USA?
Don't worry, Nige will ride to our rescue.with his special relationship
The rust belt Turkeys have had their Christmas - all downhill from here for them. Poor fools. At least they (will) have some N chums here to cry into their beer with.m
Just been listening to Mervyn King, ex BoE boss on R4 this morning. Very enlightening views on the EU for some I suspect, he seemed somewhat positive about Brexit, I suppose now he'll be regarded as incompitent by the remaoners.
What I found most shocking was that he made no mention of a Free Yorkshire, very ill informed I thought
