How about increase in council tax to pay for social care?
Now where did they park that red bus with a catchy slogan on its side.......
Hey mt -
I want to explore the union of the ancient kingdom of Northumbria and scotland (including yorksire)a bit more. You say you want Boycott as King. I think we can live with that so long as we get a monarch of our own. Not sure whether to go with Rhona Cameron or Kirsty Wark tho. You see the issue is I am not sure Boycott knows anything about what happens north of the border.
[url= http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-sweden-idUSKBN13O2BN ]the list of friends and allies grows thin....[/url]
I have you have Yorkshire then you have to take the rest of Wales 😯
This is fun. Perhaps the offer should be extended to London, Liverpool and a York too.
I'm pretty sure the legal process for England and Wales leaving the UK would be just as lengthy and complex as Whole-UK leaving the EU.
Amusing idea though. 😀
Then we could have even more countries to blame for our problems.
Graham - one has to laugh at Brexit. Nothing to be gained by taking it seriously.
so if it is about sovereignty, how does this sit with international treaties? If you still beholden to the wto etc
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/12/philip-hammond-calls-for-post-brexit-transitional-deal ]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/12/philip-hammond-calls-for-post-brexit-transitional-deal[/url]
and why would the EU offer such a deal?
It is not about sovereignty at all, as mentioned in my post above and as admitted by Jamba just now. It is about certain elements of the business world wanting to get richer and more powerful without those pesky regulations and rules (workers rights, environmental laws, financial constraints etc) from Brussels getting in their way.
The sovereignty issue is a simple tool to incite the masses to achieve the goal of getting out of the EU. Years ago the same type of powerful people used to use religion for the same sort of goals.
TMH you keep saying the EU has helped us, certainly not me it's been a monumental pita regulatory wise vs my competitors in US and Asia who can generate higher returns for their clients than can I.
So you think we need LESS banking regulation?
This is all about your own self interest?
You'd never get a consensus on action though.
That's kind of the point, personally... a system where, by default at least, military action is the last resort when all other channels have been tried and everyone agrees it's the only thing left.
No system is perfect, there would be a risk of not acting quickly enough sometimes, but I suspect in balance it would be better than the shoot first, wonder what you're going to do next mentality we've seen a lot of recently.
So - what is this going to do to the price of bike parts from people like bike-discount.de?
Am I going to have to pay import duties when next I buy a cheap XTR HT2 bottom bracket?
Are we all going to have to go back to square taper as a result of Brexit?
Am I going to have to pay import duties when next I buy a cheap XTR HT2 bottom bracket?
That'll be negotiated out, the devaluation of the pound to make our exports more attractive will proper funk you though. 😛
@tj wot wer that great las o was on the Tube called, me age makes me forget but when ever she's on the telly she impesses me. Also I'd settle for for Phil Cunningham for King o Scotland, if he's not free Ally Bain. Boycotts lack of knowledge should not deter him of leadership north o the border, he's managed so far with ignorance.
@Oldnpastit square taper BB is the solution an anyone who can afford xtr is a metropolitan elite who needs a bike shop to sort his kit while he looks on drinking a skinny latte, chatting away about those think northern Brexiteers.
Hey mt -
I want to explore the union of the ancient kingdom of Northumbria and scotland (including yorksire)a bit more.
Being from Northumberland and knowing a lot from there I doubt you'd get much support for that. It's ironic that to avoid Brexit people would suggest more borders not less.
What's wrong with more borders, we could all have a border. Come near me an you'll be needin a visa as well as your passport, however for a small fee you can cross me border an do the jobs I'm to fat n lazy for.
Happy to apply for a visa or just use typical 90 day stays. Have relatives with property in Florida who do just that, they have no permanent right to remain.
And how does that work out for people who need a job? Or an education? Or health care? Oh - sorry - I forgot - it's OK for rich people so everything's fine.
And I think we all know where we should be telling this lot of [url= http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38297595 ]Unelected Pompous Arseholes[/url] to keep their noses out of what is a truly British political decision 😉
And how does that work out for people who need a job? Or an education? Or health care? Oh - sorry - I forgot - it's OK for rich people so everything's fine.
Back to how it used to be, the rich can travel freely. The poor, tough, do as your told and don't get ideas.
Plus ca change.
The more i hear the more i come to the decision that what ever unfolds Brexit will satify c1% of the population, the majority will loose to varying degrees and various things, and they will never gain, not in ten years or twenty years, never.
And that was the plan all along.
Given the another thread it has come to my notice that the true candidate for the King of Free Yorkshire is .................................................................................................................................................................................................................John Shuttleworth. I believe he may even be suitable as head of state for the free alliance of Scotland, Northumberland an Yorkshire.
@molgrips my business (strategy) is 100% supported by strong banking regulation, that creates the opportunity as banks are forced out of certain lending sectors. My complaint referred to regulations applicable to EU investors and asset managers, my US and Asian competitors don't have to comply. I left banking in 2012 and in hindsight should have gone in 2008 when I had a good chance to do so.
@welsh I must have said this a dozen times, I voted on a matter of principal and long term benefit to the UK. I'll be retired by the time the benefits are flowing through, it will be the following generations who benefit.
And how does that work out for people who need a job? Or an education? Or health care? Oh - sorry - I forgot - it's OK for rich people so everything's fine.
People are welcome to apply for a visa once they have secured a job
Education and healthcare are available at cost
It is the UK's responsibility to provide the above "free of charge" for it's citizens. If you are not a citizen or working here with a visa we have no obligation. There are hundreds of millions of very poor people outside the EU, they need our help more than citizens of EU countries. If other EU members matched our generous foreign aid budget the world would wouod be a better place.
Jambalaya - Telegraph has picked up on the obvious wheeze from the EU that all EU citizens in the UK should be under the jurisdiction is EU law. It was a legitimate or humanitarian offer, it's a p.ss taking attempted power grab
Is it? I don't see how anyone capable of critical thought would expect them to take any other position. Their citizens will expect their rights to be protected - not handed over to the UK government. If they can't reach an agreement then they would be left with the choice of lose their EU citizenship (which they are unlikely to accept) or leave the UK - if that happened en masse it would be an absolute disaster for our businesses, public services and tax revenue for obvious reasons.
The telegraph is slipping over towards the hysterical mail / express / sun type of content. Can anyone recommend another source that will give me a view of the more informed and considered Conservative (and also Leave) arguments and opinions?
I voted on a matter of principal
Me too!
For me, the principle of integration and co-operation with our neighbours is important. Allowing people to come and go easily without having to formally apply for visas and such, to me that's valuable.
It's like when you have friends and family come over to your house and they don't need to knock, they can just come in and say hi. This to me feels good. And if more people come, you don't sit there and bitch about them, you find room. I feel as if we've just shut the door in our friends' faces.
I'm sure leavers will try and extend this analogy by claiming there are hundreds of people walking into their house and eating all the food - but this isn't happening.
The telegraph is slipping over towards the hysterical mail / express / sun type of content. Can anyone recommend another source that will give me a view of the more informed and considered Conservative (and also Leave) arguments and opinions?
My serious suggestion, and google translate is your friend if your langauge skills aren't great.
Read overseas coverage. they will have there own biases, but it gives some background as to how others see brexit and how much they (don't) care.
So - what is this going to do to the price of bike parts from people like bike-discount.de?
I doubt you'll be shopping there in 3 years' time.
The [s]telegraph[/s] Brexshit Bugle is slipping over towards the hysterical mail / express / sun type of content.
Which is shame because their cryptic crossword if more accessible to my mind than the Dirty Digger's version
Given the obvious harm that Brexshit is causing the investment management community - which will get passed on to us in the end - I am still reeling from Jambas assessment!!
I quite like the Washington Post and the South China Morning Post for alternative perspectives.
Compare Jamaba's picture of what Brexit will look like with those of the deluded "Lexit" persuasion, and it is clear that the Leave vote gave no mandate "for" anything… it was just a vote against the status quo, not the country choosing its future.
Time for our government, and our opposition party, to start setting out where we can go next… and put it to a public vote. Vagueness and lack of oversight and accountability is running amock at the moment, on both sides.
😯Ben Bradshaw, the Labour former culture secretary, is speaking now. He says if the west does not do anything about Aleppo, Idlib would be next.He says the government could have come to the Commons to ask for approval for safe zones in Syria. But it did nothing, he says.
He says dictators like Assad and Putin only respect strength, and the threat of force.
He says the west has not even “begun to wake up” to what Russia is doing with cyberhacking.
The evidence is now available about Russian intervention in the American elections, he says. [b]And he says it is “highly probable” that Russia also intervened in the EU referendum, he says.[/b]
The Front National in France recently had financial difficulties. They had to borrow money from Russia.
So no surprise that they might be involved in Brexit.
And he says it is “highly probable” that Russia also intervened in the EU referendum, he says.
Hmm.. so.. what could we pin on Russians during the leave campaign? Farage might've had their money maybe...?
Farage and Putin are the same person? I've certainly never been in the same room as both of them at any time - have you?
tinfoil hat time but I love this quote
Tax-dodging sex-pest Aaron Banks
http://www.farrigh****ch.org/2016/05/the-ukip-russia-connection-is-someone.html
They had to borrow money from Russia.
None of the French banks who FN would prefer to borrow from will deal with them (not least due to state ownership at a number of them), so they use the Russians.
People seem very anti Russia with regards to politics but many are very happy to fall over themselves to buy Gas from them under lucrative long term contracts, as much pork as they can and even sell them state of the art military warships.
Remain had a humogous financial and rescources advantage and still lost 🙂
@kimbers I see Putin supposedly funds Syriza in Greece, they are good guys right ?
and of course Putin has allegedly been funding/using other far right groups accross Europe, not just UKIP
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38294204
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38289421
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@kimbers I see Putin supposedly funds Syriza in Greece, they are good guys right
Fits in perfectly with his non-linear war according to Adam Curtis
I can understand that brexiters (or Trumpers)wouldnt want to admit to being dupes of Putin, tho
todays jambyfact was rather trivial compared to your usual offerings , you feeling ok?
Using official figures from the Electoral Commission, The Guardian estimates that the combined total given to both sides is around £28m, with Leave receiving £4m more than Remain, primarily from Tory donors.
So along with **** wits , Murdoch, farage and Trump , leavers are on the side of putin.
Is that really a team sensible, rational people would be keen to associate with?
i am not even sure they want to be associated with jamby 😛
who wins if the EU breaks up? Think about it, it certainly isn't the citizens. The only "winners" are those with money and power already. Putin certainly would be one winner.
MrMo I'd argue collectively all the member countries citizens would win if the EU returned to an economic community. There are many French and Italians who believe they'd be better off without the € a decent number of Germans too
Kimbers that guy is allegedly a hit man, seems a bit careless though that a Russian hitman would leave a usb drive with his name and a load of nazi photos at the scene of a hit in Tutkey ?
