[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

[quote=teamhurtmore ]Jambas, encore mon amis, avez-vous remarqué l'efficacité du logiciel de blocage* allégué par le petit homme qui vit sous le pont? C'est foutou peut-etre?

I hope the mods french - or google translator is not in the state you describe.
the main failure I find is that other folk still quote him as he is effective in getting a reaction. You speak with him[ and out about his "facts" you know he cannot mean what he says, in your parlance he makes Wee eck look like he as a grip of the facts.

Still glad you are still reading and not using it yet :wink:. I dont block you as I like to note when you goad TJ and then chew the fat about bullies and the like . You responded today for a little bit though you tease 😉

WInk made it all ok 😛

Cioa Saesneg

That doesn't mean anything in French.

there is a make believe person on HIGNFY in 20 mins

I predict pin stripe and polka dot tie

TMH have you seen TJ's scenario in the other thread, Referendum in 18 months and Scotland achieves independence and successor state in 6 months thereafter ? That seems to be on the fantasy side of wildly optimistic.

I always thought he was playing a game with you of making stuff up -like David Mitchell's game on R4 where occasionally you slip in something true. But with each stage was more outlandish than the last!! The passport gag was a good one.

More importantly, time to charge you glass for a bit of Jacob and some nanny jokes. Mines a rather nice Shiraz/Merlot blend.

Mrs B watching a French slapstick film to much amusement (same team as Les Bronzes). Happy wife happy life, only watch bbc on catch up

THM - Half right

I know. No pin stripe. Shocking

He's on good form despite being on the wrong side!!

Wig.

JRM is still a nasty piece of work. Just a nasty piece of work with little grip on reality by that showing.

Junkyard - is THM [i]still[/i] answering my posts / attempting to goad me despite me blocking him? What a strange sad inadequate little man. I must have really got under his skin.

would you please report him when he does?

.and a wry sense of humour and the ability to take some ribbing, unlike some. Quite a funny show last night.

Looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights a lot of the time though.

Ps - not saying I wouldn't on that show of course.

Any questions on R4 was quite interesting - audiences are, as was pointed out, self selecting, but the questions, answers, clapping and booing suggests a moving mood in the country.

Yes you could tell when certain comments touched a nerve. But as much as I disagree with him, I do enjoy his delivery and sepia-edged persona. He was funny too as a client back in the 90s when he did a proper job 😉

Working in a safety (and to a lesser extent environmentally) critical industry, I'm not going to forgive him for his comments that Brexit might allow us to reduce safety and environmentally standards - to Indian levels. That's my colleagues that pay the price when safety is compromised.

To whom are we referring to? Don't watch telly so have no sea what misguided idiot is being discussed.

All I'll say is that the NII were merged with the HSE. Reduced standards are the last thing I want.

Jacob Rees-Mogg. Multimillionaire Tory MP who wants Brexit to get rid of things that hold back money making.

Who on earth vote for someone like that?

Ricky Gervais on the Last Leg was very funny.

Problem now comes that the UK needs to replace the EU laws (things get missed) and as for why people would vote for this we are uncharted territory here as the thing that people voted for caused a chain reaction that wasn't on any manifesto

uncharted territory

The future is uncharted inside the EU or out. I believe in democracy and I'd rather have a Government elected purely in the United Kingdom determining our future.

If you read the Leave vote research published last week you'll see Leavers see an optimistic future and quite simply did not believe the (vested interest) predictions of doom and gloom. Remainers vored remain as they thought leaving would be an economic disaster, leavers voted leave as they felt the future was brighter outside and any economic difficulties we could handle.

Even John McDonnell is speaking of the great opportunities we have (although I appreciate the Labour Party had wished him to keep his mouth shut as that's not their official line)

Thing is Jamba the doom and gloom is already here if you have your eyes open - and its only the start.

Huge devaluation of the pound, downrating of credit ratings, investment decisions cancelled, etc etc.

Even the tory governments own figures show huge financial damage

If you read the Leave vote research published last week you'll see Leavers see an optimistic future and quite simply did not believe the (vested interest) predictions of doom and gloom.

It's tough to read most of that without laughing, we all know the optimism of leave and as repeated many many times the biggest problem is the lack of any kind of facts to back it up, the central pillars were built on lies and fear and the doom and gloom hasn't occurred as the reality of Brexit hasn't arrived yet.

The EU was a known thing especially as we had such things as a Veto built into the whole deal.

economic difficulties we could handle

Save that you won't be experiencing any.

If you read the Leave vote research published last week you'll see Leavers see an optimistic future and quite simply did not believe the (vested interest) predictions of doom and gloom

I keep mentioning this but I've not heard a response yet, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts - we lost a fair number of staff yesterday to redundancy, having had a major recruitment drive at the start of the year. This is down to the Brexit vote. How do I know this? Numerous developers/funders/etc had Brexit clauses in their contracts and gave triggered them. Current feeling in the industry (engineering consultancy) is 10-15% staff reductions by Easter next year, possibly towards 20% based on workload projections.

This isn't a prediction of doom and gloom, a lot of people are losing their jobs.

And as for Jamabalaya's sunny uplands I think Steve Bell's well captures the UKs position going forward.

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you read the Leave vote research published last week you'll see Leavers see an optimistic future and quite simply did not believe the (vested interest) predictions of doom and gloom.

I think we all know that their optimism is not a scientific fact and its pointless to respect wishful thinking as if it has som meaning. Its even harder to do this when they are morons and all the evidence contradicts their optimism

Its like a captain shouting on the titanic that everything is ok and we will make it through as the ship continues to list and sink.

[i]Working in a safety (and to a lesser extent environmentally) critical industry, I'm not going to forgive him for his comments that Brexit might allow us to reduce safety and environmentally standards - to Indian levels. That's my colleagues that pay the price when safety is compromised. [/I]

But JRM (and Jamba) and the like don't care, all they see is money and a worker injury/death is just a line in the risk register and a negative cash number - contra'd by a positive cash issue due to reduced expenditure.

I've worked for companies in the distant past where we got an additional percentage on our bonuses if we had no injury/death outages that year - folk should not be dying at work due to accidents and mistakes, nevermind purposeful corporate actions!

Boils my pi55.

Remainers vored remain as they thought leaving would be an economic disaster, leavers voted leave as they felt the future was brighter outside and any economic difficulties we could handle.

I am certain that lots of people voted for reasons other than economics. Things other than money exist you see. Your kids would be happy for you to learn that. Bit late for the ex wife, mind 😉

Deregulation does just mean a drop in employment rights , safety standards and various other red tape designed to make work fairer and safer for worker and consumer.

I've worked for companies in the distant past where we got an additional percentage on our bonuses if we had no injury/death outages that year - folk should not be dying at work due to accidents and mistakes, nevermind purposeful corporate actions!

No reason why that has to change.

No reason why that has to change.

Good time to be a lawyer - my kids' chosen path and v interesting times too for that profession with these previously dormant constitutional issues now at the centre of debate and news.

The UK will get through all of this and yes new opportunities will arise. The nimble will grasp them and prosper, other wont. Within the latter ironically are large numbers of Outers, but as they say in France "tant pis", you had your chance. Dont blame others when the going gets tough.

There's every reason why it will have to change as in your brave hard brexit / WTO world we will be uncompetitive unless there is a substantial degree of deregulation in safety standards workers/employment rights etc. in fact I think it will be an imperative to just try and remain anything like competitive - what would be point of investing here without direct access to the SM, may as well invest directly in the EU so there has to be some incentive to invest here which will be said light touch regulation, lower business taxes (lower income for public expenditure)as so on.

There's every reason why it will have to change as in your brave hard brexit / WTO world we will be uncompetitive unless there is a substantial degree of deregulation in safety standards workers/employment rights etc. in fact I think it will be an imperative to just try and remain anything like competitive

Not necessarily, we could try the old fashioned remedy of improving productivity instead. The beauty of this out -of-mode solution is that it results in better wages too. A win:win. Odd that so few want to focus on it?

The nimble will grasp them and prosper, other wont.

That's not a society I want to live in. I am a lawyer (a solicitor) and am not filled with joy at my future prospects (having already had two job offers withdrawn as a result on the uncertainty caused by brexit as it concerns my sector).

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Junkyard - is THM still answering my posts / attempting to goad me despite me blocking him? What a strange sad inadequate little man. I must have really got under his skin.

would you please report him when he does?

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Mines a rather nice Shiraz/Merlot blend.

It's statements like that make me think Brexit isn't such a bad thing. A bit like saying of beer "mines a rather nice malted barley/hops blend". Is there even an English word for "terroir", my dictionary has no adequate translation?

Not necessarily, we could try the old fashioned remedy of improving productivity instead.

But that requires money and investment - deregulation costs nothing.

Yes terroir, why use an inferior version when the original is so much better?

Edukator - I usually have good debate with my bro. I am pro French as still the best wines in the world v his New World bias. I was going off-piste last night. Back to some nice Sancerre for this evening!! Would prefer white burgundy but one guest rarely strays beyond sauvignon blanc, so better be more accommodating to her wishes.

I have had work cancelled too nipper, so my sympathies - and I am a remainer BTW!

Bad if you are deal=focused law by good in other areas.

You are correct about money and investment though - the old achilles heel in the productivity idea!!

So much easier to introduce artificial wages instead. The good old band-aid.

I think we all knew you were off piste on the internet last night 😉

[I]Not necessarily, we could try the old fashioned remedy of improving productivity instead. The beauty of this out -of-mode solution is that it results in better wages too. A win:win. Odd that so few want to focus on it? [/I]

Yes, but those of us who've worked across industry know how difficult this is and how crap UK management is at it - which is why it'll be a different approach...

so we are doomed to lower wages then...simple choice

starts with education in my mind, so we are obviously doomed!

I believe in democracy and I'd rather have a Government elected purely in the United Kingdom determining our future.

Based on politics this past decade I want a benevolent AI to rule the world.