[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Did Chewkw actually say he was willing to give up food, shelter, security for his family and access to education for any children he has (is Chewkw a he? I'm assuming) in order to leave the EU?

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. I don't think Jamba for example would go that far though.

Chewkw refuses to answer where he is actually a citizen of. Shocker.

A question to you: Do you treat mankind with equality and fairness?

Not always, though I try. But remember equality doesn't mean I treat all equally.

Do you though? I suspect not from your postings, but you may be a nicer person in real life.

Fancy a pint next time I'm in Toon?

A question to you: Do you treat mankind with equality and fairness?

igm - Member
Did Chewkw actually say he was willing to give up food, shelter, security for his family and access to education for any children he has (is Chewkw a he? I'm assuming) in order to leave the EU?

Yes, but can you? Can you give them up to live a simple happy life?

University education is only necessary if you are thinking of studying science related stuff(my view) while all the social sciences are just over hyped stuff ... overrated.

I mean, hello ... we have interweb nowadays ... if you can master reading then you can learn by yourself.

captainsasquatch - Member

A question to you: Do you treat mankind with equality and fairness?

Let me answer this with a question. If fairness is all important, why do you demand that remainers bow down to those in power?

@captain I think you misunderstood, 100% out. Erasmus is not an EU programme.

Sky piece on Corbyn / Brexit, have been waiting for the whole interview but not seen it yet

http://news.sky.com/story/labour-will-seek-amendment-to-brexit-bill-jeremy-corbyn-says-10681271

Hint: please refer to my trademark phrase for fairness.

@captain I think you misunderstood, 100% out. Erasmus is not an EU programme.

Do you treat mankind with equality and fairness?

I treat others as I'd hope to be treated myself (which includes being called out if I'm out of order).

Chewkw -I think if I give up food and shelter I'm likely to have s simple death not a simple life - no?

On university education... well I'm an educational elitist I'll admit (difficult with my two non-Russell Group degrees) and there are plenty of universities that I don't think are worth it.
But beware - the internet is great for information and occasionally knowledge (some of it is even real and not poorly disguised opinion - see the EU thread on STW and discuss), but it is poor at understanding. So of course are overly taught university courses.

I like to get involved in graduate recruitment at my place (probably should leave it to others these days but it has some enjoyable moments and I have the rank to say I'm doing it). I got fed up of knowledgeable engineering graduates with no understanding, so I threw a question in about organising a trip to the Running of the Bulls at Pamplona. That separated those who could think from those who were taught quick smart. Strangely those who did well on that were those from old school universities no matter what degree they were predicted.

The Erasmus Programme (European Region Action Scheme for the Mobility of University Students[1]) is a European Union (EU) student exchange programme established in 1987Erasmus+, or Erasmus Plus, is the new programme combining all the EU's current schemes for education, training, youth and sport, which was started in January 2014.

Good luck with that Captain. Jamba has been told that over and over again yet he still repeats it. Which is why I consider him dishonest, rather than just having his facts a bit wrong.

Good luck with that Captain. Jamba has been told that over and over again yet he still repeats it. Which is why I consider him dishonest, rather than just having his facts a bit wrong.

PS - chewkw, I think I've seen you refer to being Newcastle based. I'm in town (Toon) fairly frequently and I rarely bite.
Centurion bar at the station maybe? I'll buy the first one.
I am assuming you're not actually a made up character though. I don't buy fictitious people pints.

@captain why don't you list the members of the programme, you'll see my point

EDIT: I'll help you out so DrJ can see too

Europe is such a diverse and exciting region - culturally, historically, politically and geographically - you are bound to find somewhere that suits your learning or training needs. With 33 participating Programme Countries to choose from, you could be travelling to the midnight sun of Iceland or the eastern markets of Istanbul.

Outside of the UK, there are 27 EU countries, including their Overseas Countries and Territories, and five non-EU countries (Iceland, Norway, Turkey, Liechtenstein and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) where you can go during your Erasmus+ project. It may also be possible to go to additional ‘Partner Countries’. Further information can be found on Erasmus+ Participating Countries page.

Partner countries list is very long and includes a lot of the Middle East for example

@captain why don't you list the members of the programme, you'll see my point

Partner countries list is very long and includes a lot of the Middle East for example

I wonder why Chewk can't answer a simple question?

Dunno - I'll buy him a soft drink if he's a non drinker. I'm not prejudiced and I think the Centurion stocks soft drinks.

I think Jamba's point is that we could be like a Middle Eastern country. He may be right, but that's a scary thought if you run with it for too long.

I think Jamba's point is that we could be like a Middle Eastern country. He may be right, but that's a scary thought if you run with it for too long.

I think Jambalaya wants us to be something along a Singapore model.

I think Jambalaya wants us to be something along a Singapore model.

Captain I mentioned Middle East as it is clearly not in the EU. That's the only reason.

I have posted this before (maybe DrJ didn't see it) but 1 of my kids did an Erasmus year, her top choices where Denmark or Australia. So when I say it's not an EU programme it's from knowing you can exchange with Unis in places most definitely not in the EU. From what I understand Switzerland has withdrawn as they don't want to pay the membership fee. EU members are automatically part of Erasmus but anyone can apply to join their global programme

[quote=igm ]Chewkw refuses to answer where he is actually a citizen of. Shocker.

Maybe it's because he's a citizen of somebody's imagination.

I have posted this before (maybe DrJ didn't see it) but 1 of my kids did an Erasmus year, her top choices where Denmark or Australia. So when I say it's not an EU programme it's from knowing you can exchange with Unis in places most definitely not in the EU. From what I understand Switzerland has withdrawn as they don't want to pay the membership fee. EU members are automatically part of Erasmus but anyone can apply to join their global programme

The centurion does cocktails - lager and lime...

I think Jambalaya wants us to be something along a Singapore model.
I don't think Jambalaya knows what Jambalya wants (nor chewkw for that matter). Only ninfan to go.

I could not have been clearer. I see you are going for a spot of name calling too after I had the courtsey to respond to your question even though the answer is one I have given many times.

A visa programme open equally to anyone is far more egalitarian than the fundamentally biased EU freedom of movement.

So when I say it's not an EU programme it's from knowing you can exchange with Unis in places most definitely not in the EU.

I see. So you've decided on your own criteria to determine whether it's an EU programme or not, and when the EU website says "Erasmus+ is the EU's programme to support education, training, youth and sport in Europe." they are simply deluded.

Thanks for clearing that up.

A visa programme open equally to anyone is far more egalitarian than the fundamentally biased EU freedom of movement.

It's open to anyone to apply, for sure, but that's not the same thing as being open to anyone to up sticks and move to Singapore, is it?

I could not have been clearer.[b] I see you are going for a spot of name calling too[/b] after I had the courtsey to respond to your question even though the answer is one I have given many times.

But erasmus wont be free to join . You said you are quite happy to pay for it , but surely that goes agaisnt the wish of most Brexiters .

In a way i agree that a visa system could be fairer but , May has only vsisted 1 country and part of a trade agreement , they said they want easier access .
Google , Nissan and jaguar have said the same too .

A visa system is more egalitarian than freedom of movement within Europe?

It's self-evidently not - it just uses a different set of criteria to deterine eligibility.

It's self-evidently not - it just uses a different set of criteria to deterine eligibility.

igm - Member
PS - chewkw, I think I've seen you refer to being Newcastle based. I'm in town (Toon) fairly frequently and I rarely bite.
Centurion bar at the station maybe? I'll buy the first one.
I am assuming you're not actually a made up character though. I don't buy fictitious people pints.

cchris2lou - Member
I wonder why Chewk can't answer a simple question?

Ask me again.

what passports have you got ?

Jambalya - member

From what I understand Switzerland has withdrawn as they don't want to pay the membership fee.

Seems it was more Switzerland got kicked out over free movement problems:

In a tit-for-tat retaliation, the European Union has frozen research grants for Swiss universities worth hundreds of millions of euros and suspended the involvement of Switzerland in the Erasmus student exchange programme.

A spokesman for the EU announced the freeze on Sunday, a day after after Bern announced it had refused to sign a deal opening labour market access to Croatia, the ATS news agency reported.

The EU kicked Switzerland out of a non-EU programme? How does that work?

cchris2lou - Member
what passports have you got ?

North Borneo. [b]I can also stay in the UK forever legally.[/b]

captainsasquatch - Member
Isn't the UK great?

I am happy at the moment since Brexit won the referendum.

Now we just have to tie up the loose ends ...

thanks .

Can I as a U.K subject move to North Borneo and make use of their facilities?
Can I vote in their elections?

Yes, great if you are happy. Not great if you are not happy.

zippykona - Member
Can I as a U.K subject move to North Borneo and make use of their facilities?
Can I vote in their elections?

Yes, you can as long as you have £200k - £300K to invest (buy a house or something ...) etc because the govt are encouraging people to set up second home in North Borneo. You can stay there forever so long as your money keep flowing in after the initial investment but you Do Not become a citizen.

Nope, you Do Not have the rights to vote because you are a foreigner (you stick out like sore thumb), unless of course if you are an illegal immigrant/pirate/rebel/separatist/religious hate preacher/ etc who manage to bribe the local village chief to name you as their illegitimate son/daughters or long lost relative ... in which case you become the citizen instantly and can continue your exploitation of the local native living in the remote inland ...

captainsasquatch - Member
Definitely unhappy here, this country is turning into a rather nasty place. Any idea where I can move to that's better? Preferably without restrictions as I like the concept of free movement.

😆 Now is the time to let go then you shall be happy again.

There is no such thing as happy place on earth and even if there is it is only temporary because someone will spoil it ...

Freedom of movement ... that's just hype and overrated. 😆

Yes, you can as long as you have £200k - £300K to invest etc because the govt are encouraging people to set up second home in North Borneo. You can stay there forever so long as your money keep flowing in after the initial investment but you Do Not become a citizen.

Nope, you Do Not have the rights to vote because you are a foreigner (you stick up like sore thumb), unless of course if you are an illegal immigrant/pirate/rebel/separatist/religious hate preacher/ etc who manage to bribe the local village chief to name you as their illegitimate son/daughters or long lost relative ... in which case you become the citizen instantly and can continue your exploitation of the local native living in the remote inland ...

Freedom of movement ... that's just hype and overrated.

Chewk, do you feel it morally fair that you can vote in our elections?
Why Farage isn't campaigning to get us out of the commonwealth I don't know. Freedom to come here and meddle in our affairs can't be right .

captainsasquatch - Member
Now there's a very obvious question jumping out at me here, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's connected to the egalitarian bit of what Jamba was saying. And I'm sure someone will be along to check how much you invested in the UK (The more the better in Jamba's eyes).

We have many S.Korean etc setting up 2nd home there ...