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May is electioneering and quite rightly pointing out that the only alternative PM is Corbyn propped up by the SNP which would be a Brexit negotiating disaster.
Indeed. Relax though. Everythings covered. The big guns are out....
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jambalaya - MemberWe will get the results on June 9th
Very likely. Not a pleasant prospect though to have such important negotiations led by someone who can't even get her own manifesto right.
We have very different views on this igm. She is crushing it, the result on June 8th is going to show the recent polls up for being the propaganda/clickbait they are.
The A Team are good for me binners 🙂
Not a pleasant prospect though to have such important negotiations led by someone who can't even get her own manifesto right.
The social care funding plan was the correct one IMO. Did you see the round of applause she got on Sky last night when saying the problem MUST be confronted ? I don't much care for the manifesto pledge to scrap Levenson 2 and repeal Section 40 but by and large it's the right manifesto. WTO Tariffs are far preferable to any of the nonsense the EU (and Lib Dems) have been spouting. "No deal is better than a bad deal" is the right tag line.
May is totally smashing it @igm
No one can actually think this
She may do enough to win - given where she started from the very least she should have achieved - but she is clearly not smashing it No one can think that not even you.
Jamba - I'm sure she will win in a fortnight, but she is useless.
She blusters, talks tough, puts people's backs up and u-turns.
She seems to deliberately set out to annoy the EU (which plays well with little englanders of course).
She is the last person (perhaps excluding BoJo) you'd want negotiating on your behalf.
The EU will eat her for breakfast.
Simply not competent.
No deal is not an option and people should stop saying it is. Walking away without dealing with Eurotom, common skies etc etc will screw the UK. Trade is one small issue out of many. Being blunt there is no way the UK will be ready in two years. There isn't enough time to cover all the issues, transfer into UK law, etc etc etc.
May is electioneering and quite rightly pointing out that the only alternative PM is Corbyn propped up by the SNP which would be a Brexit negotiating disaster.
However you must realise that the creation of a Brexit deal is entirely at the whim of every single member country of the EU (and even some regions), and so a catastrophic failure is eminently possible even if our govt does everything right.
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
Just one of the many unintended and barely-thought-through things the foolhardy posturing of these little englander ****-wits may deliver us
 She is crushing it....
Did you mean "shitting"?
Deleted. Too awful for jokes now.
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
Which is one reason that No deal is not an option, and it would help if the f***ing idiots in the media started to ask questions. There was a perfect opportunity the other day and what was said, or asked!!!!
edit, and if it really does come down to this then i am leaving this country!
The more you look into it, the worse it gets.
The whole concept of a hard Brexit is utter and complete insanity!
With those clowns blustering, and waving flags, from their patheticly weak negotiating position, you can only fear the worst. It's going to be a ****ing car crash!!!
May says Brexit is going to be awful if anyone screws up the negotiations.
Well I can think of 27 people with very good reasons for doing just that.
Get rid of a money laundering center
Reduce competition from a country with social and fiscal dumping
Profit from a share of those International companies that will be in search of new European bases
Get rid of the thorn in the side of European law making
That took as long to think of as it took to type, there will be civil servants all over Europe beavering away on getting their interests served in the Brexit deal, and they aren't going to be working on how to make the deal best for Britain.
edit, and if it really does come down to this then i am leaving this country!
Get out while you still can.
mrmo, presume you're training for swimming the channel then 🙂
you can only fear the worst. It's going to be a ****ing car crash!!!
It's worse than that, it'll be like a slow lingering death, as economic conditions in the UK slowly get worse, the blinkered will keep blaming Europe, enabling the right to tighten their grip, driving the country further into isolated economic despair.
I've just watched a Tory party broadcast. It seems we have a new slogan....
"Through Brexit and beyond"
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FFS!!! 🙄
mrmo, presume you're training for swimming the channel then
any means necessary then claim political asylum,
It will be worst than the remainders have thought because there will be a totally collapse of all humanity, riot, looting, traffic jams, pollution, cyclists being prosecuted for slowing down traffic and black death all will all appear on the day of Brexit. We are all going to suffer a slow death. Even now you body has started to decay but you just don't know as the inevitable will happen. 😛
The question to the reminders is this if all the above are going to happen, have you actually made any emergency escape plan yet? Ahaaa ... you didn't, did you? You are just all talk aren't you? 😀
If I were reminders I would start to sell my house now to move to continental EU somewhere or any part of the world. Better be safe you know just in case all the dirt hit the fan. You don't want to get caught do you?
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We have a family home in Spain so I'm one of the lucky ones.
Worst case scenario for me is I'll live a simple life as a bartender /deckchair renter, that is if the Brits are allowed to even work in Europe after this...
I just worry for those who have less options
mattyfez - Member
We have a family home in Spain so I'm one of the lucky ones.
Worst case scenario for me is I'll live a simple life as a bartender /deckchair renter, that is if the Brits are allowed to even work in Europe after this...I just worry for those who have less options
You lucky devil you. 😆
You should have plenty of BBQ on your patio over looking the Spanish desert sun set ... very beautiful mind you. I would.
Or have your BBQ with cold beer while enjoy the breeze from the Spanish sea. 
The question to the reminders is this if all the above are going to happen, have you actually made any emergency escape plan yet? Ahaaa ... you didn't, did you? You are just all talk aren't you?
At this moment plan has involved getting a new EU passport and brushing up on the French.
😀 Passport just for you only? Not the entire family?mrmo - Member
The question to the reminders is this if all the above are going to happen, have you actually made any emergency escape plan yet? Ahaaa ... you didn't, did you? You are just all talk aren't you?
At this moment plan has involved getting a new EU passport and brushing up on the French.
At this moment plan has involved getting a new EU passport and brushing up on the French.
Not just me then.
Only [url= https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies_en ]1700 EU agencies[/url] that need assimilating into UK law. Professionally it's the EMA that will have the most significant impact on me.
Passport just for you only? Not the entire family?
being worked on, I am a dual, the SO is a bit more complicated.
https://www.ft.com/content/f1435a8e-372b-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0fd2e
FT has a funny paywall, so may be readable.
After Brexit: the UK will need to renegotiate at least 759 treaties
FT research reveals that agreements with 168 countries must be redone just for Britain to stand still
And you wonder why remainers are a tad concerned by no deal!
After Brexit: the UK will need to renegotiate at least 759 treaties
FT research reveals that agreements with 168 countries must be redone just for Britain to stand still
And you wonder why remainers are a tad concerned by no deal!
brexies couldnt care less about the details of trade/law etc
chewk thinks bureaucracy is a bad thing and jambs calls it a gravy train
Id say they are pretty typical of the ignorance of your average brexie
Itll be a shitshow & obviously all the EUs fault
Serious question - how much will May/Corbin actually be involved in Brexit negotiations, they seem
to be making it very personal, but I was of the belief that beyond going to a few dinners, whoever is PM will have minimal involvement in the actual negotiations
Just a thought. Theresa May has the full backing of the right wing press and some of the big guns of the Tory party, yet you need to watch her very carefully during the debates, pay attention to her body language.
Last night, she was visibly rattled by the audience - there were a lot of heckles, far more than you would normally see. She had no response to hard questioning on issues such as the NHS and social care. Watch it yourselves and make up your own minds.
Now, imagine that person standing before Junckers, Merkel and Macron, trying to use charm, ingenuity and whatever skills at her disposal to come away from the EU in March 2019 with a good trade deal for Britain.
Last night, she was visibly rattled by the audience - there were a lot of heckles, far more than you would normally see. She had no response to hard questioning on issues such as the NHS and social care. Watch it yourselves and make up your own minds.Now, imagine that person standing before Junckers, Merkel and Macron, trying to use charm, ingenuity and whatever skills at her disposal to come away from the EU in March 2019 with a good trade deal for Britain.
this, it was the strange gollum like gulps she kept doing, that stood out
it was quite impressive that a sitting PM managed to get so many jeers, ws gordon brownish
she lacks gravitas, hence...
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plenty of others thinking mays not up to the job
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/05/30/if-may-conducts-brexit-like-she-has-this-election-we-re-all
(no mention of smashing it at all 😉 )
Having watched Corbyn i can't help but think he would be a far better choice, yes it screwed up this morning which isn't a good sign, but he does actually come across as a person.
I don't agree with his Brexit stance, don't get me wrong, but i believe he is less likely to alienate the other side within minutes.
Well I could go back to Japan, though that doesn't really appeal and I'll lose residency in a year or two if I don't renew the paperwork. More importantly, I can afford to sit back and watch the car crash unfold, not that I'm looking forward to it but there's no direct threat to me and my family (only some in-laws who look increasingly likely to stay abroad themselves).
I almost felt sorry for Chewkw tonight as his attempts at trolling blew up in his face.
Almost. 😆
I could almost feel sorry for May, she's like the turtle on the post - elevated out of all ability, no idea how she got there, no idea what to do now. Or at least, I could if I wasn't so shit-scared about what's going to happen when we dive head-first off the Brexit cliff of doom into the Brave New World based on nothing more scientific than some made-up figures on a bus. We might as well have voted for Brexit because "Clean Me Now" or "Shit On The Villa".
Right now I'd love to be abroad. The political debate has taken a nasty, illiberal tone of late. Politicians charged with our collective welfare and judging the best course of the nation seem to be taking some pleasure in the callous in their treatment of the poor and sick. Our newspapers have swung so far to the right, it's pretty frightening when you see a national newspaper openly praising Marine Le Pen and the Front National.
How long before the States is cleansed of Trump do you think?
Trump's single act of genius was to appoint a hawk as his running mate, someone you would not normally want or trust to be president. It's an insurance policy.
Having said that, The MayBot is trying to water down environmental protection legislation before it's debated at the EU parliament, no doubt to try to build bridges with the famously pro-oil and anti-environment Trump.
jambalaya - Member
Did you see the round of applause she got on Sky last night when saying the problem MUST be confronted
sorry for the delay but ive just twigged jambs were you at the debate last night?? 😉
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@binners Buzz 🙂
On the flights thing I wouldn't trust someone from Ryan Air as far as I could throw them, have met a few of the senior mgmt team - quite extra-ordinary mini-me versions of the great ego himself. I do wonder how we have all those flights to the rest of the world, you know all the places not in the EU.
jambalaya - MemberI do wonder how we have all those flights to the rest of the world, you know all the places not in the EU.
I heard someone from Easyjet explain the same problem. Routes have to be planned over a year in advance, and having an unknown regulatory framework makes this impossible. Will we have free movement of people and aircraft, or WTO and nothing?
Who knows? Certainly not Theresa "Strong and Stable" May, or David "staring at the headlights" Davis.
On the flights thing I wouldn't trust someone from Ryan Air as far as I could throw them, have met a few of the senior mgmt team
I would however trust them more than you on the operations of an airline and regulations.
It's very short sighted to align with a president who is already seriously damaged goods.
@kimbers I am dar kess reserved than standing and clapping politely 🙂
@binners thinking about it some more I'd be tempted to tell mini-Michael-Ryan that as he thinks there will be no more UK-European flights post Brexit we'll be having all their take-off and landing slots back
EDIT: he said there will be a period with no flights not that there will be no flights ever again.
open sky arrangements like we have with the EUI do wonder how we have all those flights to the rest of the world, you know all the places not in the EU.
If they refuse to let us fly over their air space then we cannot post Brexit and as noted above they have to plan in advance and this is difficult without knowing what rules will apply.
You know if you google the things you wonder you can get answers and how we fly to say the AN other country has nothing to do with how we fly to Prague as countries control their own skies.
25% of Spain's tourists are Brits. I guaranty they will work out how to fly them there from the UK.
@mike absolutely they know how to run an airline. They also know that any change to regulations costs them money in adapting so they will do all they can to apply pressure so that someone else, eg uk/eu taxpayers, pick up costs so they don't have to. Ryan Air is well versed in playing one country off against another, look at their (now ex) maintainece facility in Marseilles.
The Maybot is pinning her desperate attempt to compensate for the loss of EU business on a man who clearly doesn't know [url= http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4 ]The first thing about the way international trade actually works [/url]
And there lies the problem. We are going into talks about the highest levels of business with people who know absolutely eff all about it! Nothing! Less than nothing!
The only one of them who has a clue is hammond. And we can tell his attitude to this madness.
The solution: get rid of Hammond!
We are going into the most essential trade talks of generations with people fuelled on evangelical ideology who know nothing of how the world of business actually works. They genuinely haven't got the first clue!
We are truly ****ed!!! The main problem is that the labour front bench, such as it is, is equally as barren of business nous.
How on earth did we end up with politicians this clueless? There's no way the outcome of this can be anything other than an utter disaster!
25% of Spain's tourists are Brits. I guaranty they will work out how to fly them there from the UK.
Don't be unpatriotic. This is a red white and blue Brexit. We owe it to the country to revive the fortunes of Skegness, Margate and Blackpool.
I guaranty they will work out how to
ah so you agree there will be a deal and May is all blowhard bluster!
 I guaranty they will work out how to fly them there from the UK.
I trust the president of Ryanair more than you when it comes to flight prices.
igm - Member
I almost felt sorry for Chewkw tonight as his attempts at trolling blew up in his face.Almost.
I have already voted for Conservative party today via postal vote. 😀 (hopefully no foul that my vote will be counted 😆 )
But you do know very well that EU bureaucratic system is slowly collapsing don't you? You are watching the slow motion clash as Greece is already so evident that things will not get well.
Silly goose you are just deluding yourself as it is all doom and gloom I am afraid on the EU bureaucratic front.
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@kimbers you can work out how to fly people between two countries without needing a trade deal. Tha'ts a regulatory arrangement.
@binners who at the EU really understands trade ? Look at their list of free trade arranegments, its like a who's who of small and irrelevant nations - plus Canada now mind. They did finally get that done. After 8 years. So give them some credit.
@kimbers you can work out how to fly people between two countries without needing a trade deal. Tha'ts a regulatory arrangement.
Cool, how do we set those up?
igm - Member
How long before the States is cleansed of Trump do you think?
The swamp be drained make no mistake ... 😆
Guess who always use the term "make no mistake"? 😛
Silly goose you are just deluding yourself as it is all doom and gloom I am afraid on the EU bureaucratic front.
With science like that it's amazing we lasted as long as we did.
Guess who always use the term "make no mistake"?Â
Please tell me it's arch-mistakemaker Trump. 😀
They did finally get that done. After 8 years. So give them some credit.
Lucky brexit is significantly less complex and we don't have a tight timeline.... Oh hang on....
But at least are politicians aren't mucking around doing national politicking when they have a tough task ahead...
pondo - Member
Guess who always use the term "make no mistake"?
Please tell me it's arch-mistakemaker Trump.
It was spoken by someone (their idol you know who) then the news immediately pickied that term up to look "cool". A bit like I am with your cool news channel because I use that term. 😯
You can still hear the term use by the news Channel (esp Channel 4 troll news) sometimes when they think they are cool .. blah blah blah ... "make no mistake" ... blah blah blah ... 😆
A bit like in F1 you get to hear ... blah blah blah ... "for sure" ... blah blah blah ... So funny. 😀
binners - Member
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
One can only imagine what conclusions we could draw if there were 200+ carriers not domicilied in the EU and still managing to run thousands of flights across and landing in / taking off from "EU airspace" every day..
[quote=just5minutes ]One can only imagine what conclusions we could draw if there were 200+ carriers not domicilied in the EU and still managing to run thousands of flights across and landing in / taking off from "EU airspace" every day..
I'm guessing they're domiciled in countries which do have a deal with the EU, and you're completely missing the point.
[quote=jambalaya ]Look at their list of free trade arranegments, its like a who's who of small and irrelevant nations
Ah, that's what you're pinning your hopes on regarding a free trade deal?
binners - Member
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
This is clearly silly. We'll need (and get) a bilateral agreement with the EU, if we don't just stay part of the Single European Sky, like Norway and Switzerland and some of the Balkans. However, it's also silly to pretend this won't come with a membership fee (SES) or disadvantage to UK carriers (bilaterals).
This is clearly silly. We'll need (and get) a bilateral agreement with the EU, if we don't just stay part of the Single European Sky, like Norway and Switzerland and some of the Balkans. However, it's also silly to pretend this won't come with a membership fee (SES) or disadvantage to UK carriers (bilaterals).
Which is why we would all be better served if the Tories came clean and explained the deal they are looking at. No deal is a non starter. To even pretend is pointless, there is no way no deal can be considered.
Yet No Deal polls well with the electorate and plenty on here buy into the myth, so the Tories will keep on using the lie to win, it worked with Brexit after all
Yet No Deal polls well with the electorate and plenty on here buy into the myth, so the Tories will keep on using the lie to win, it worked with Brexit after all
Until it fails, then it will be the blame game.
We are going into the most essential trade talks of generations with people fuelled on evangelical ideology who know nothing of how the world of business actually works. They genuinely haven't got the first clue!We are truly ****ed!!! The main problem is that the labour front bench, such as it is, is equally as barren of business nous.
Instead of wailing about it, What you gonna do about it?
vote?
what else would you propose?
Yet No Deal polls well with the electorate and plenty on here buy into the myth, so the Tories will keep on using the lie to win, it worked with Brexit after all
And when it fails, how messy?
Do we really want to go back to the riots of the early '80's because that is the logical next step when people realise they have been shafted.
I'm genuinely baffled by what you've posted in the last two pages of thread, not because I disagree with you, but because it appears to be complete gibberish.
I feel that this is appropriate, sums up my attitude in a lighthearted way at least.........
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And when it fails, how messy?Do we really want to go back to the riots of the early '80's because that is the logical next step when people realise they have been shafted.
Andrew Rawnsley wrote an article in the Guardian on this subject, a couple of months back. He was reporting that there are plenty of moderate Tory MP's who are privately expressing just this concern. That when the reality of where the right of the Tory party want to take Brexit dawns on people (slashing [s]red tape[/s] workers rights, environmental controls, food standards and other regulation etc, etc, etc....)... and people realise the truly huge extent to which they were lied too and deceived... that this is exactly what's going to happen. And those warnings are coming from within their own party
@chewkwI'm genuinely baffled by what you've posted in the last two pages of thread, not because I disagree with you, but because it appears to be complete gibberish.
I think the chewkbot algorithm is broken
chewk youre not running on an XP machine in a russian warehouse somewhere are you?
I suppose it makes a change from the usual crap flood of controversial assertions without citation, chewkw and I have had numerous exchanges about this as I would argue that it contravenes the forum rules. However, it's very hard to argue that indecipherable sentences which cannot be understood constitute trolling.
Some of the online personas on this forum are absolutely fascinating IMHO.
I'm equally obnoxious in real life
I have met you and you are not 😉
Chewkw wants attention whilst you deliver it he will deliver the posts
I wonder what someone actually has to type to actually be ignored on here* as clearly incomprehensible gibberish is not the threshold for so many of you who continue to feed.
* Lucid measured and factual?
Has Turkey joined the EU yet?
waiting for either greece to explode or the EZ to implode
For my part, I genuinely like to engage with people who have differing points of view to my own. I'm quite happy for chewkw or anyone else to take part in a discussion, provided that forum rules are respected. We don't (yet) have a facility to ignore particular posters on here, a conscious decision taken by the moderators although I would argue that one would improve the standards of debate considerably.
Isn't EZ GDP growth higher than the UK's at present, and while the historically low unemployment we have enjoyed as part of the EU is set to rise the admittedly high EZ unemployment is falling?
#TakeBack... oh I can't be bothered
We don't (yet) have a facility to ignore particular posters on here, a conscious decision taken by the moderators although I would argue that one would improve the standards of debate considerably.
its was practically created for him and I imagine he is the number 1 reason for its use
he probably enjoys this fact.