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So jambalaya still wont admit that WTO tariffs come in the form of a tax or consumption... So surprised
Happy 65th Malcolmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/859704369188614144/video/1
Well that certainly puts the Brexit mob in a good light. Who can fail to be swayed by the force of that amount of [s]spittle [/s]reasoning......
mrmo - Member@Chewk, the Indians asked for more student visa's in return for a deal, May said no. Infact the EU negotiations have long been stalled because the UK wouldn't budge on that.
Yup. A weird negotiation in which the other party offered us something we'd benefit from in return for something we wanted and we said no to both. But of course it's the EU stopping us having good trade relationships overseas, right? Theresa May as home secretary soured the India/UK relationship at every opportunity...
"May accuses unidentified figures in Brussels of meddling in election"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/03/general-election-2017-official-campaign-begins-politics-live?page=with:block-5909ebe7e4b0336cfae757a0#block-5909ebe7e4b0336cfae757a0
Lost it totally.
Good lord what a fruitloop.
"She will take action against the people who seek to divide us."
and wtf does that mean?
Lost it totally.
Unfortunately she'll take a lot of people with her.
This is going to get ugly.
More doom-mongering from the lefties in the ... err ... oil industry
She will -
1. Blame EU for failure of deal
2. Claim that she is responsible for a good deal
3. blame Boris and co.
4. blame Labour and the lib dems.
She will make sure the buck makes a sharp u-turn once it hits her desk and goes on to someone else.
But of course it's the EU stopping us having good trade relationships overseas, right?
Don't worry, we'll soon have a free trade deal with the Philippines. Duterte - "strong and stable". Well, strong, in a sense. Stable, less certain.
"She will take action against the people who seek to divide us."and wtf does that mean?
Go back a couple of pages to the article in the FT which was posted on here (Monday I think) by Gideon Rachman, titled, "Brexit and the slide into nationalism"...
He essentially said she would do exactly this as and when she found herself under pressure. I don't imagine he thought it would come on this fast...
First we had Amber Rudd and her lists of companies and the % of foreign workers they employed, then we had Michael Howard talking about war with Spain and now we have nationalist sentiment like this.
I don't think it's overdoing it to be getting worried about the tone of the current government - I've lived with Tory governments all my life, growing up in Thatcher years but I've never heard sentiment like it come from a UK government...
Even if this is just rhetoric to appeal to the party base, this is very dangerous stuff to be playing with - it can get out of hand very easily - well it already has with the referendum campaign and result...
But some in Brussels do not want the UK the talks to succeed.That is why the UK needs strong and stable leadership.
Strong and nonsequitory leadership.
Its a strategy to get the brexit voters to vote for her - nothing else.
They are typically swing voters.
Its all part of the opportunistic election plan.
Hook line and sinker
"She will take action against the people who seek to divide us."and wtf does that mean?
Dunno - check with Erdogan.
Jesus wept, now Mummy is accusing Brussels of interfering in the election. One day she's talking about coming together, the next she's suggesting half the country is full of "extremists".
Losing control
Honestly don't think she's much better than Corbyn. Just better minders and talks tough.
Coming soon to a very small village hall near you!! Maybot will "travel to all corners" hahaha
She'll be bleating #fakenews next.
Agree brooess.
It fits perfectly with the previous tabloid rhetoric accusing remainers of [i]"unpatriotic" "snake-like treachery"[/i] and judges being [i]"enemies of the people"[/i].
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This is painful to watch unfurl. 🙁
Direct link to video of May quote "acts deliberately timed to affect the result of the GE".
Seriously woman, get a grip.
This madness is going to afflict this country for decades. It is now getting scary really quickly.
In before, "May was word perfect".
#strong & stable 😆 or perhaps 🙄
Maybot will "travel to all corners" hahaha
I am sure she will. As will a busload of supporters to keep her company. Perhaps this time they will manage the expenses better though and dodge those awkward investigations.
Given her latest rants will they be swapping "strong and stable leadership" for "vote May get the daily mail"
May is a f***ing idiot, after years of listening to Farages insults and now May. How many days till the "negotiations" breakdown?
If this isn't the (not-so-)slow creep into one party state fascism it's doing a bloody good impression of it. 😐
How many days till the "negotiations" breakdown?
Not many, as I suspect the EU side have now given up on trying to get any sense out of May.
I'm feeling for my various friends of EU origin at the moment. They're all decent people who came here in good faith several years ago, and make a good contribution to this country. They shouldn't be having to put up with this sh**e.
B***** me - it is the FT piece!
Mrs May said she wanted to reach a Brexit deal, and for the EU to succeed: "But the events of the last few days have shown that - whatever our wishes, and however reasonable the positions of Europe's other leaders - there are some in Brussels who do not want these talks to succeed."The PM also warned of "serious" consequences if the Brexit talks failed, which would be felt by "ordinary, working people across the country".
"If we don't get the negotiation right, your economic security and prosperity will be put at risk and the opportunities you seek for your families will simply not happen.
"If we do not stand up and get this negotiation right we risk the secure and well-paid jobs we want for our children and our children's children too.
"If we don't get the negotiation right, if we let the bureaucrats of Brussels run over us, we will lose the chance to build a fairer society with real opportunity for all."
I cannot recall any impediment created by the EU to the creation of a fairer society ...quite the opposite in fact.
This is insane, what did she ****ing well think would happen when she call the election... Foolish women.
I may have many doubts about Corbyn, but i hope to god the polls prove wrong and he wins. Or at the very least the Tories do not get the majority the polls suggest.
May chose the timing of triggering A50, and therefore the timing of exit talks.
May chose the timing of the General Election, and therefore the election campaign.
If these two things conflict, only one person to blame.
But, of course, blaming the EU chimes well with the memes in the foreign owned sections of the press.
May chose the timing of triggering A50, and therefore the timing of exit talks.
May chose the timing of the General Election, and therefore the election campaign.
God made her do it.
God made her do it.
Nah. God said "love thy neighbour".
She is making Corbyn look appealing at the moment - which is quite a talent.
word. a labour vote would be pointless where I live but after today's events I am reassessing him all the same.
If this isn't the (not-so-)slow creep into one party state fascism it's doing a bloody good impression of it.
Sadly for those that would rather not have a Tory Government this is working out exactly as many of us said it would under Corbyn. Brexit is going to be May's Falklands moment and Corbyn dragging the Labour Party left will allow May to own the middle ground, I expect the Manifesto is going to drive that home.
Today has been a very very good day for the Tories and for Brexit. It's hard to believe Junker / his henchman was so naive to sponsor this story in the FAZ, it was so obviously going to play straight into May's hands. Today feels almost as good as June 24th
Onwards and upwards.
#jambafacts 😆
Is that why the Tories have dropped 10 points in the polls since calling an election?
Indeed jamba, today has been a very good day for Brexit. 😆
#jambafact
I now realise, the more you're feeling negative, the more you post delusional stuff to the opposite on threads. So, yeah, keep saying it - just reinforces how we know you're really feeling.
To be fair to her, she's losing control far more quickly than I thought she would. Well, if she does go calling a power-grab general election at the beginning of the most important negotiations the country has ever faced...it's not quite working out for her. An utter campaign frit. An embarrassment at dinner.
If anyone has a direct line to Europe, can they let them know there are plenty of sane people left in the asylum, no matter how it looks at the moment. They'll be the ones left trying to patch the toy that the toddlers broke back together.
You probably should have listened to Varoufakis' interview on radio today. You might revel in lambasting Junker as the Brexiteers' chief bête noir, but as far as Barnier et al are concerned, that's just fine, as he's pretty irrelevant - imagine, having an irrelevance make Mummy and Davies look so foolish.
I don't see Junker et al bothering to influence the UK GE. Why should they? Why would they expect it to work, when they know the Torypress will spin it anyway?
I suspect they're beyond caring.
The leak would be for domestic consumption, to warn the various parties they are dealing with a fruitcake and not to anticipate a happy outcome.
I know, I'll have an election. It'll impress lots of people.
Who have also won elections.
Your world view leaves you spectacularly happy however I am less sure its based on a firm and sound analysis of the events - no matter what actually happens you think its great, plays in to tory hands and will be as glorious as the Falklands the facts are merely there to say the narrative and dont really matter.
The reality is Brexit is going to be remembered by historians as more Suez than the falklands
The Suez crisis? British hubris, an elevated sense of one's position in the world order? Going horribly wrong?
Nah...get outta here.
Now if we had LePen getting France to follow us...
Oh...
The reality is Brexit is going to be remembered by historians as more Suez than the falklands
Suez was of course a great military success for the UK, France and Israel. It was only the Americans deciding to pull the plug on us that turned it into a disaster.
EDIT: It's just as well that in Donald Trump we have someone totally trustworthy and dependable. He'll see us right.
'Box of frogs' May now claiming Junker is trying to interfere with the election
The daily mail will be frottaging itself silly with excitement tomorrow.
It is exactly as that ft article predicted!
Starting to think Corbyn might actually have a shot at hanging parliament at the very least.
Best remember this is a new for situation for Chairman May, every previous European War we've be involved in we've had European Allies.
You mean the Free Polish and Czechs.
De Gaulle was a closet anglophobe and fascist.
Suez was the impetus to the founding of what became the EU.
I have this excellent article from the Economist bookmarked.
http://www.economist.com/node/7218678
Interesting post Nipper.
We're breaking a deal. Do you think EE will let me walk away from my phone contract if I cancel early?
If you want to use that analogy I will play, we have a contract with 2 years notice which we have given.
Unstable and weak... But thing is, it could well work. Well, not for the country, it's awful for the country, but for the election, it'll bring a lot of people behind her which is obviously all that really counts. And the more of an disastrous adversarial shitfest she makes of brexit, the more people will think "Well we need someone in charge with a proven track record of disastrous adversarial shitfests"
Of course it makes an absolute mockery of "strong and stable", since it's a complete 180 degree turn from her position just 2 days ago, no we're not going to get in a briefing war with europe, no the dinner went splendidly... Wait, no, changed my mind again...
Hands up everyone who thinks "being bloody difficult" is going to be useful in negotiations.
and you still will pay your contract .
@northwind, I see the Tory election gameplan as capturing the UKIP vote without losing the remain leaning Tory vote. I read there are 71 non-Tory seats where the majority was less than the UKIP vote. That'd do it!
@northwind, I see the Tory election gameplan as capturing the UKIP vote without losing the remain leaning Tory vote.
Yes of course it is. Who cares if you bugger up the country by messing up the Brexit negotiations, as long as you win the election, eh?
She is making Corbyn look appealing at the moment - which is quite a talent.
Only to tory hating leftwingers who won't be voting for The Conservatives anyway. My completely unscientific research (chatting to my customers) Have committed brexiters and most tory voters pretty pleased with her. Both those groups will easily see her back at no.10 with a decent majority.
Talk the EU wanting 100 billion euro's is dismissed by saying that gives us all the leverage, because if they don't come up with a fair deal they'll get sweet FA.
Talk the EU wanting 100 billion euro's is dismissed by saying that gives us all the leverage, because if they don't come up with a fair deal they'll get sweet FA.
Uk Oil industry reckon £500bn a year cost of hard Brexit after the WTO tarrifs on oil added, the industry is already on its knees
Still its great ammo for Sturgeon
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/177238
We will all get sweet FA, those brexies sure are bonkers!
On a serious note, May's accusations are some of the most irresponsible spoken by a PM in a long long time.
I realise the Tories crave power more than most, and that they're bloody good at getting it, but what they've done here is pretty shameful.
EE has nuclear subs? 😯We're breaking a deal. Do you think EE will let me walk away from my phone contract if I cancel early?
A different take on the Brexit Bill which the EU tells us are our obligations for the budget period till 2020.
€100bn / £80bn is £512m a week
So maybe Vote Leave substantially under represented the amount we send to Brussels every week. The EU's figires remember.
ITs starnge its sort of shrewd if you want power but it is worrying in the long run
Essentially she has called the election as she knows how bad Brexit will be and she does not want to face the electorate then
She is now trying her best to make sure that when we do not get what we were never going to get that its perceived as being the Eu fault and when we suffer, and suffer we will , the narrative will still be to blame them despite us voting for this and her saying no deal is better than abd deal and calling the names before the negotiations even start.
It will probably be relatively effective at this election but the real cost is what happens when she delivers hard brexit and WTO after having right royally pissed off our biggest trading partner.
Apparently labour cannot be trusted on the economy and the Tories can...I think we are about to see the truth of that statement tested. The result is not going to be pretty.
I'm just waiting for Mays next election slogan....
[b] She's gonna build a wall. And she's gonna make Brussels pay for it![/b]
She's? the perfect example of the little Englander mentality of Brexit!
We all said they'd start on the them and us bollox soon enough...
Uk Oil industry reckon £500bn a year cost of hard Brexit after the WTO tarrifs on oil added, the industry is already on its knees
500m actually
It will probably be relatively effective at this election but the real cost is what happens when she delivers hard brexit and WTO after having right royally pissed off our biggest trading partner.
I said on the Corbyn thread that calling an early election was an admission that brexit was going to be a failure. Now she's ensuring it in order to win it. I wonder though whether she's overstepped the mark. This sort of naked rabble-rousing and hysterically jingoistic rubbish will not only galvanise remainers to vote tactically, but will also make soft brexiters and liberal tory supporters think twice. Whatever happens this time, Labour next time is a shoe-in.
Sorry drj. Went back to correct myself but 15 mins up, should have posted a retraction !
#kimberfact
I'm just enjoying one last beer before the eurozone implodes. How I'll laugh as I see former BMW workers queueing for food banks in Munich as wealthy Englanders enjoy the Octoberfest.
surely we will busy with all the asylum seekers as they flee the collapsing european union?
Are we sure the "leaks" have come from the EU rather than the Tory press office?
Is anyone actually "lapping this up" as the pro Tories suggest with this talk of a "landslide" or is everyone as critical and horrified by this pantomime as pretty much everyone I speak to?
surely we will busy with all the asylum seekers as they flee the collapsing european union?
They will be assessed efficiently by our new super massive border force funded by part of the £65bn we negotiated as a payment from the EU to repay us for making them awesome for 40 years.
And before Jambalaya tells you that Lepen was great last night, in a TV debate with Macro, she was awful .Attacked him but he was a lot more composed, and actually answering questions properly.
After performing reasonably well in the primary debates le Pen turned into a cackling version of le Pen senior last night. Macron came close to getting drawn into the mire early on but pulled himself together and remained dignified despite violent and inaccurate attacks from Le Pen. I hope it incites the voter blanc/abstention to put a name in the urn on Sunday.
So maybe Vote Leave substantially under represented the amount we send to Brussels every week. The EU's figires remember.
Grasping at straws....
Mash has it again.
Regardless of whether you are a Le Pen or Macron supporter a Macron win will not ease the simmering tide of anti EU tension that is simmering away in France. As was reported on Radio 4 this morning Macron is part of the political elite and will just keep the 'Status Quo'. Resentment will only grow as he achieves nothing during his tenure and just allows the failed EU establishment to continue as is.
Macron is just a sticking plaster for the EU festering wound.
"Political Elite" - does that now just mean having education and political experience?
Why does it not apply to people like Farage and other educated politicians who dislike the EU?
the failed EU establishment
Hasn't failed yet.. seems to be rumbling along as normal.
flanagj falling hook line and sinker for the 'woman of the people' routine
career politician who's the son of a politician [url= http://how-rich.com/4357/how-rich-is-marine-le-pen/ ]and worth an estimated $275m[/url]
all these paupers railing against the 'european elite' - farage, lepen, lawson, rees-mogg etc even trump
makes you think eh?
(or apparently not in then case of frexies, brexies and trumpers)
Whilst the EU has a single interest rate across such different economies the project will never work. 2 choices. Full monetary and fiscal policy across all memeber states or scrap the euro and return back to free trade between the member states where each country can set it's own interest rate accordingly.Hasn't failed yet.. seems to be rumbling along as normal.
Do we have the same interest rate as Sweden?
career politician who's the son of a politician
"Only one of us was born in a castle". Should be in the put downs thread.