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Our focus will be global with a desire for a sensible deal with the EU and a transition period. If one is not available then we move on with WTO.
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There is a plan, read TM's letter.
That letter is not a plan, it's an aspirational statement. Flippin eck Jam... If I put forward a plan saying that I was going to invest wisely and become a millionaire, you'd be pretty sceptical wouldn't you?
This is no different.
1) Agreed. What Remainers ignore is the massive cost and risk of staying in the EU
It's far from perfect and many criticisms are valid but it's worked pretty well the last 40 years overall. The most prosperous free trade area in history and I'd say they best place to live on the planet for the non-serious wealthy.
Unscheduled announcement from No 10 in 15 minutes, speculation of a GE in June.
Brexit Paused. Please come back June 9th 2017
What Remainers ignore is the massive cost and risk of staying in the EU
Vs the even bigger & unknown risk of leaving.
There is a plan
No, there isn't - just a load of wishful thinking.
speculation of a GE in June.
Bit short notice but it would make sense: there is little in the way of effective opposition and a GE win would let them claim (to the public and the EU) that [b]"everyone"[/b] was now 100% behind Brexit and that the "Will of the people" was stronger than ever.
Strategically good move from the Tories' POV I suspect. Everything points to them romping on FPTP.
Referendum 2 on 8th June then?
I agree the Tories will romp home - but a general election frees MPs from any constraint imposed by June 23 last year.
Will there be a pro-Brexit majority in parliament?
Time to get campaigning folks.
Referendum 2 on 8th June then?
Does seem likely to be a single issue election - but would any credible party actually stand on a promise stopping Brexit entirely? LibDems maybe?
one for jamba
if only those unicorns would turn up
GrahamS - Member
Referendum 2 on 8th June then?
Does seem likely to be a single issue election - but would any credible party actually stand on a promise stopping Brexit entirely? LibDems maybe?
2nd referendum on deal offered?
Smart move. In the absence of anything even approaching a credible alternative, Tories will get in again and then have 4-5 uninterrupted years to continue the Brexit train crash, privitising various bits and pieces (like the NHS) as they go.
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No mention of a Yorkshire referendum vote though. Typical selfish tory's.
Do not discount the voters, the tories could lose their overall majority. Things are not going as well for them as you think, if you take away the Brexit noise what good are they doing.
if you take away the Brexit noise what good are they doing
No-one is doing ANYTHING becasue ****ing Brexit is taking up all the resources of all the departments.
Can't find it right now but there was an article in the papers maybe a month or so ago about the shortfall in resources needed to do the regular day-to-day running the country while simultaneously trying to re-write 40 years of laws, treaties, agreements and unravel the consequences of all of that.
I wonder who Putin supports
Interesting to see what matters to people, NHS, Brexit, Schools etc.
If you want Brexit Labour and Tory both seem to be going for it, but if you care about the NHS?
The Tories will walk it, more interested to see how badly Labour do and Farage needs a new job so i guess he will be mouthing off as usual.....
"I wonder who Putin supports" I hope its a free and independent Yorkshire.
When I was a kid I used to think politics was dull.
I wish.
Come on this thread has given a great example to all. Its not politics's thats fun, writing complete bollocks that's the best fun.
I'm still waiting for the BrexiteerMorons to Leave the Country.
I shall be voting for an Intellectual Political System and Party.
Come on this thread has given a great example to all. Its not politics's thats fun, writing complete bollocks that's the best fun.
Right now I'm trying to invent a pitch to ally Her Majesties Republic of SurreyShire to your free and independent Yorkshire.
You have water, we have lots of, errr, stockbrokers and expensive houses, and some trees and the M25.
(No that's not going to do it).
How about this - imagine a world where every beer tap was equipped with instantly switchable sparkler. Let the drinker take back control!
Nailed it.
May be fun for you mt but a pain in the arse for people having to skim over your posts.
Hang on a minute.
Post Brexit, are Hope-equipped Orange bikes going to become significantly cheaper than imported bikes?
That may change my opinion.
Not quite Moly. Other bikes are going to become considerably more expensive. (So are Oranges - that alloy is imported you know)
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Reserves of Bauxite the source of Aluminium
Maybe UK built steel then. Made from Welsh iron ore hand-mined by children.
What Remainers ignore is the massive cost and risk of staying in the EU
Would you like to quantify both?
Maybe UK built steel then. Made from Welsh iron ore hand-mined by children.
If they'd bothered to get out of bed and vote they wouldn't be down the hole.
Would you like to quantify both?
£350m/w, Shirley...
"How about this - imagine a world where every beer tap was equipped with instantly switchable sparkler. Let the drinker take back control!"
Not sure, everyone knows a Yorkshire like a bit of (a) Head.
@ thecaptain - Member
"May be fun for you mt but a pain in the arse for people having to skim over your posts."
? What have a read of some of the other posts on here, I have raised the tone.
£350m/w, Shirley...
Of course, silly me.
As I posted on the other thread.
IMO Tory Manifesto will enshrine May's Brexit objectives letter and "no deal better than bad deal". Clear about leaving THE single market and Customs Union. Clear that workers rights will be protected for the life of the Parliament. Molgrips wanted a Brexit plan and this GE is going to lay that out clearly.
May is going to come out of this much stronger with a longer term mandate (2022 vs 2020) allowing more global trade deals to be done ahead of the next GE.
Onwards and Upwards.
100 % correct Jambalaya .
with one big issue .
Brexit is now real . Leave voters want to see results , they dont want to be told that immigration wont go down , they dont want to see pries go up , services cut down etc...
[url= http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-18/deutsche-bank-early-elections-are-gamechanger-we-are-closing-our-bearish-gbp-trades ]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-18/deutsche-bank-early-elections-are-gamechanger-we-are-closing-our-bearish-gbp-trades[/url]
Deutsch bank have an interesting take on the timing.
To paraphrase, May has just shafted the Hard Brexiters.
Anyway the NHS is well and truly shafted...
Nah. It's party before country. She's banking the political capital of a toothless opposition and a lead in the polls. It's nothing to do with Brexit. She doesn't care about Brexit, her job is to keep the Tories in power. If that's over a wasteland so be it.
I wouldn't be too comfy if I was a rabid leaver. I think it makes brexit more likely but also gives her room to back pedal on harshness if the winds start to blow against the party. Assuming she wins of course.
At heart it's a hack on FPTP and a disregard of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act and exploiting Corbyn's under the table brexit desire.
..To paraphrase, May has just shafted the Hard Brexiters.
Yup that's how I see it
The negotiations will expose how weak our hand is, that's why she has to rush through a GE before they start
It's amazing how gullible the Brexies are, it's been obvious the gov are shitting it,the Brexiters balking on the select committee report, Davis and May reversing on immigration, Fox being sent to woo Duerte!
The crazy thing is
Trump, brexshit etc have shown that the turkeys just keep hitting the ballot box
Agreed, it also screws any argument for Scotland not having a referendum, won't help NI.
And i don't think the tories will get the resounding mandate the polls suggest.
Strategically it's the right thing to do for the Tory party. Gifted to her by Corbyn, it's a smart move but doesn't take a genius (I don't think she's that smart actually), it was right on the table in front of her, all she had to do was pick it up.
Talk of parliament blocking brexit is BS, Corbyn waved it through!
which is why she must do it now before all that comes homes to roost and the trade deals of jambys exuberantly child like optomstic imagination fail to materialiseBrexit is now real . Leave voters want to see results , they dont want to be told that immigration wont go down , they dont want to see pries go up , services cut down etc...
She is making sure she does not have to face the electorate at the peak of the shit storm basically
It's a poker player having the smarts to cash out while they're well up because they got a couple of lucky hands and the other players are stupid.
That's it really.
Brexit is now real . Leave voters want to see results , they dont want to be told that immigration wont go down , they dont want to see pries go up , services cut down etc...
Dood get real. She said how many times no snap election?
If it suits her she'll shaft you as quickly as she has the rest.
PM May is absolutely right in her approach to unite the country.
I support her totally.
She is making sure she does not have to face the electorate at the peak of the shit storm basically
Yup, politically astute. Again.
In 2020, either we'll be out on our arse and stuggling to grab the loose ends, or in some kind of transition period to smooth things along. Either would mean lost voters for the Tories.
Christ - Deutsche Bank:https://mobile.twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/854328227053096962
And [b]if[/b] Deutsch are reading this correctly, the hard brexiters are going to be a tad miffed. Norway here we come, paying in indefinitely, never quite finishing the negotiations etc.
In 2020, either we'll be out on our arse and stuggling to grab the loose ends, or in some kind of transition period to smooth things along. Either would mean lost voters for the Tories.
And in 2022, will we still be in a transition period?
Yep detached Bank now think it'll be the softest of brexshits,
keeping FOM?
2022 still be transitioning, the delusions of Brexiters that we can untangle safely in a few months decades of mutually beneficial union were always set for a big fall
Yep detached Bank now think it'll be the softest of brexshits, keeping FOM?
She's bought wiggle room today. So maybe, if it's expedient.
But they don't care either way right now.
they do care , a lot . they wont be happy when the promises are not happening .
No one promised anything. the ballot paper just said "leave the EU", the rest is in your head.
Anyway, by "they" I meant the Tories.
you are right the leave campaigned said literally nothing about what would happen when we leave FACEPALM ....at least there is something in our heads 😉
2022 is three years post Brexit where we can sign the trade deals we have been "discussing" prior to April 2019
The longer you are in power the better, 2022 better than 2020. 2022 provides yet more time for Southern European meltdown to really banjax the EU and show how Brexit was genius from soup to nuts.
May very well knows that Brexit negotiations when you are holding a mandate to 2022 with a massive majority are a whole lot easier. The EU know that too.
The worst thing you can say about today's announcement was that it was opportunistic.
The worst thing you can say about today's announcement was that it was opportunistic.
That's the best thing I have to say about it! A smart move for her and her party. For some of the reasons you state.
I laughed and pictured this fella saying this2022 provides yet more time for Southern European meltdown to really banjax the EU and show how Brexit was genius from soup to nuts.
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In an unprecedented 1,200 word statement last night, Mr Blair urged voters to pressure candidates to commit to holding “the Government properly to account in the interests of the country. This should cross party lines.The political situation the country faces is unprecedented and dangerous.
We risk a Parliament which is lop-sided in its make-up; which has a big Tory majority - in part delivered not because of the intrinsic merits of Brexit or the Tories themselves but because of the state of Labour; where they will claim a mandate to take us wherever they will; when we desperately need representatives who will at least keep an open mind.
This requires the electorate in every constituency to know where the candidates stand; and the mobilisation of the thousands in each constituency to make it clear that for them this issue counts when it comes to their vote.”
jambalaya - Member
2022 is three years post Brexit where we can sign the trade deals we have been "discussing" prior to April 2019The longer you are in power the better, 2022 better than 2020. 2022 provides yet more time for Southern European meltdown to really banjax the EU and show how Brexit was genius from soup to nuts.
May very well knows that Brexit negotiations when you are holding a mandate to 2022 with a massive majority are a whole lot easier. The EU know that too.
The worst thing you can say about today's announcement was that it was opportunistic.
Yep. Like you say May knows she's in a very weak position and is playing for time.
No, she was in an OK position but expects to be in a much stronger position come June 8th.
I find myself agreeing with Jambalaya.
jambalaya - Member
No, she was in an OK position but expects to be in a much stronger position come June 8th.
Domestically yes, for now, but police investigations into electoral misconduct by the Tories and with the run up to the 2020 GE right on the back of the 2019 cliff edge she wasn't going to be in a strong position for long.
Ultimately though she is s principle free zone. Total opportunist. And who would say they'd have done differently?
Anyway we have a good chance of getting rid of our local Brexy scum (Tory) MP round here, so I can live with a GE.
[quote=jambalaya ]No, she was in an OK position but expects to be in a much stronger position come June 8th than in May 2020
True but you forgot to finish it
As IGM says it makes sense politically but lets not dress this up as anything noble. She thinks this is her best chance of winning between now and 2020 so she has changed her mind and taken the opportunity
It is borne of necessity rather than principle or political masterstroke.
And don't forget calling a GE now deflects the forth coming shitstorm regarding electoral fraud. Be interesting to see how that plays out. Many of those implicated will be standing for reelection
New Zealand introduces a "Kiwis First" viaa policy aimed at prioritising NZ citizens ahead of foreign visa applicants. This follows similar moves from Australia in the last few days. Skill classifications are also based on income/salary levels
UK unemployment rate held at an almost 12-year low of 4.7 percent in the three months to February 2017, in line with market expectations. The employment rate stood at an all-time high of 74.6 percent as the number of people in work rose by 39 thousand. Meanwhile, total pay adjusted for price inflation rose by 0.2 percent from the previous year, the smallest gain since the three months to October 2014. Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom averaged 7.12 percent from 1971 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 12 percent in February of 1984 and a record low of 3.40 percent in November of 1973.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate
Both Australia and NZ have very small populations compared to the UK, amakes a bit more sense to have some extra control, (They do also have completely free movement bewtween the 2 countries with no visa required)
The Uk with near record low un employment is set to reduce the work force and reduce the number of people coming in to the UK.
Also worth noting Australia and NZ throw out hundreds of thousands of visa's to young unskilled people every year with very few restrictions which significantly helps with agriculture etc. When nursing jobs are filled, aged care and fruit and veg picking then maybe restriction on low paid may be some use.
Over half of UK immigration is from outside the EU. The government has has decades to control it and didn't. Links to NZ policy are a total red herring in relation to Brexit.
I was under the impression that the Brexiters were the bigoted and thick but it seems calling someone you disagree with scum is a good idea. Tut tut.
That oz anoucement, you mean on the back of scrapping the current system which amounts to bonded servitude?
Don't forget our ageing population, - ironically the older Brexit voting dupes need young immigrants the most
Its why the current and previous govs have not reduced immigration and why May wants an election now so she has no pressure to reduce it
The BrexiteerTories just too scared of our xenophobic media to be honest about it- look at the right wing hard-on that telegraph article has elicited, they keep stoking the ignorance
Of course idiots will still blame the EU for our own politicians dishonesty
“The political situation the country faces is unprecedented and dangerous.
We risk a Parliament which is lop-sided in its make-up; which has a big Tory majority...Tony Blair from the Telegraph article^^
Is this the same Tony Blair who won 419 seats and a 179 seat Commons majority in 1997??
Never ever underestimate Mr Blairs propensity for hypocrisy(s?).
there is no certainty that Mrs May will gain a majority.
At least the dUK is a warning to other EU countries that exit leads to more discontent and endless elections, referendums and politics out the arse
there is no certainty that Mrs May will gain a majority.
Yes, but it's probable.
I suspect Tory Remainers will vote Tory over Remain (or soft Brexit if you prefer to call it that).
Hope I'm wrong.
I'm not so sure, they could vote Liberal in the Tory remain heartlands. Remember in or out has provoked strong feelings among many people. I suspect many Labour folk may vote Liberal and we'll see a big gain for them.
Is Tony Blair planning to support campaign for the liberals?
Edit, missed something.
None of the GE distraction gets us closer to a free Yorkshire.
It does if you put up candidates and they get elected.
@mattjg. Would you care to stand?
I'm not as I prefer perpetual moaning like many on this thread and in Yorkshire.
mt - Member
I was under the impression that the Brexiters were the bigoted and thick but it seems calling someone you disagree with scum is a good idea. Tut tut.
Nowt bigoted about calling that individual scum. It describes him well, he could do something about it, he chooses not to.
Lobby fodder would also be a decent description. Or a waste of an MP's salary.
As a Scottish immigrant to Yorkshire (arrived in 1992, should qualify for citizenship) I might stand. Maybe as an SNP candidate - they need to grow the brand.
@igm, I'd vote for you if you were SNP candidate. Whats your MP called and the constituency? If its winable we may get that Nicola Sturgeon to visit. Hmmmmm, I love to be a member for her.
York Outer.