[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

“Britain used to be pragmatic. That doesn’t seem to be the case any more, and we need to protect our interests.”

It looks that way from this side as well. [b]Zeal before deal[/b]. Sad days. The UK is screwing itself. Cheering itself on.

Not to worry though - apparently we are all 'coming together'...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39607056

kelvin - Member

I'm loving everything going over sbob's head. Most amusing. More please.

You haven't disagreed with anything I've said, and haven't pointed out anything you think I may have missed.

1/10 for content. Poor effort.

Not sure I like this 'coming together, lark 🙂

Probably a Tory thing - getting all excited out of privatising more the fk out of UK plc.

You haven't disagreed with anything I've said, and haven't pointed out anything you think I may have missed.

1/10 for content. Poor effort.

sbob, now we're all [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39607056 ]coming together[/url], why don't we all meet up and have a big hug? Jamba, you're invited too! It'll be super!

coming together

Soggy Brexit?

Probably the latter, given the public schoolboys running the country, "Didn't do me any harm. None of that foreign deviancy please."

haven't pointed out anything you think I may have missed

I'm leaving you to re-read the points others made, to see if you can understand them. They're not cryptic.

I think 'coming together' is a Bullingdon Club initiation ritual.

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More amusing then "[i]coming together[/i]" is her emphasising "[i]compassion, community and citizenship[/i]"… top trolling there.

Not sure I like this 'coming together, lark

What she means is that after the noise and jumping up and down all the servants will be together below stairs and all will be right with Downton Abbey again. The masters will be in charge and the lower classes will dutifully pull their forelocks. It's the British way.

I think May was talking about the EU 27 plus half of the UK coming together. She's done that quite successfully.

I'm loving everything going over sbob's head. Most amusing. More please.
You haven't disagreed with anything I've said, and haven't pointed out anything you think I may have missed.
1/10 for content. Poor effort.

In her first Easter message as PM, she said "opportunities" would arise from Brexit and emphasised the UK's "shared ambitions and above all shared values".
She said people should feel "confident" about Christianity's role in society and free to speak about their faith.

These folk of faith dont have a strong grip on reality do they

I dont see any o fthis . Acceptance that is happening but its like being asked to get behind [ and join in with] the charge of the light brigade

These folk of faith dont have a strong grip on reality do they

Is that Leavers or God botherers or both.

These folk of faith dont have a strong grip on reality do they

Depends on your reality thou 🙂

Is May deluded, cynical, or right? Not the last i think.

I think her personal faith is important to her

As to the coming together whether she means it or feels she has to say it is hard to tell but she is out of touch if she thinks it is happening. Heck it wont even be happening at the cabinet table never mind the wider country

Yeah. I edited for good manners, but agreed.

I think May was talking about the EU 27 plus half of the UK coming together.

That's not how I read it.

"This year, after a period of intense debate over the right future for our country, there is a sense that people are coming together and uniting behind the opportunities that lie ahead."

Of course it's possible to put whatever spin you like on the words.

http://newsthump.com/2017/04/16/theresa-may-uses-thing-that-didnt-happen-to-reflect-on-values-she-doesnt-possess/

oldnpastit - Member

sbob, now we're all coming together, why don't we all meet up and have a big hug? Jamba, you're invited too! It'll be super!

I take your failure to reply on the subject at hand as admission that you were indeed,
chatting shite.

What we need now is for kimbers to make up some ever-so-clever rude sounding words, binners to post a picture and any big hitter to jump in with a cliche.

torsoinalake - Member

Brexkake?

Soggy Brexit?

Nipper99 - Member

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Junkyard - lazarus

OH the irony

It's ****ing bingo! 😀
Though I did get some posters wrong, it doesn't seem to matter which unit you are talking to when communicating with the borg...

Ooohhh, sbob getting very angsty. Take a chill pill dude!

EDIT: I guess that means sbob doesn't want a hug then. 🙁

So much for Theresa's Easter message. Killed by sbob.

kelvin - Member

I'm leaving you to re-read the points others made, to see if you can understand them. They're not cryptic.

You say nothing, I invite you to add content and yet you still say nothing.
One can only conclude that you have nothing to say.

You may as well hold hands with Junkyard and join him in a chorus of "I know you are but what am I". 💡

Probably best you quietly rejoin the pack, or better still pretend this is real life and keep your lack of opinion to yourself. 😉

oldnpastit - Member

Ooohhh, sbob getting very angsty. Take a chill pill dude!

😆

Yes, I always use smileys when I'm [i]very angsty[/i].

In reality I'm as happy as a remainer sitting on two different EU member state passport applications.

You may as well hold hands with Junkyard and join him in a chorus of "I know you are but what am I"

Have you anything grown up to add?- Ps that is rhetorical as you wont get that will you

Are you ninfans alter ego for when he is being ignored?

you share his childish delight in your own stupidity and seem to just want a reaction

Junkyard - lazarus

I think you superimposed your childish levels of discourse and understanding on to others

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😆

You do realise what you just did, don't you? 😳

slowoldman - Member

I think May was talking about the EU 27 plus half of the UK coming together.
That's not how I read it.

"This year, after a period of intense debate over the right future for our country, there is a sense that people are coming together and uniting behind the opportunities that lie ahead."

Of course it's possible to put whatever spin you like on the words.

Sorry. Agreed. I sometimes forget ont' web one's tone of voice doesn't come across.

I think she is living in a bubble if she thinks people are coming together.

sbob - member who needs to just go ride his bike

What we need now is for kimbers to make up some ever-so-clever rude sounding words, binners to post a picture and any big hitter to jump in with a cliche.

... followed by sbob posting a picture labelled with a cliche....

oldnpastit - Member

... followed by sbob posting a picture labelled with a cliche....

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😆

I think she is living in a bubble if she thinks people are coming together.

People are coming together, slowly but surely

[url= http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/british-government-realises-brexit-is-a-mistake-official-says-1.3048046 ]Government admits it is a stupid idea[/url]

We'll all the civil service people I've seen on the things to promote the UK abroad think Brexit is daft.
And those are the people trying to dig us out of the hole.

mrmo - Member

People are coming together, slowly but surely

Very slowly if people are having to post the same link three times in an effort to make a point. 😉

I fail to see how that is news?

The British Government always thought it was a stupid idea, everyone knows that - the government (including the current PM) campaigned against it, the politicians of all parties and civil servants, heavily weighted towards a metropolitan elite with private school education & university degrees, were overwhelmingly opposed to the idea.

But we live in a democracy, and the majority voted out.

Deal with it.

But we live in a democracy, and the majority voted out.

Deal with it.

We are dealing with it. Watch us Or do you think democracy stopped when the polling stations close?

We are dealing with it. Watch us

Are you?

Tell me, what do you regard as the identifiable outcomes of the way you have dealt with it so far?

All you appear to have done to date is whinged a lot, without any discernible effect on the outcome or negotiating position. Oh, sorry , hurrah, you forced a court case, and a vote in parliament, that you lost... so made no difference whatsoever.

The irony is that according to you remainders, having to go along with something you disagree with because it suits the others is preferable to being able to decide for yourselves anyway 😆

Plenty of time yet for this to change. Your complacence and goading betray leak of confidence and are a big weakness.

(haha leak = lack! Both could work though).

All you appear to have done to date is whinged a lot, without any discernible effect on the outcome or negotiating position.

you mean accepting european courts and migration during transition is a failure for the remainers?

mattjg - Member
We are dealing with it.

Watch us Or do you think democracy stopped when the polling stations close?

However, if you still yearn to join some sort of large future bureaucratic system perhaps try again in 50 years time when you have that choice. In the meantime, the remainders should simply chillax man ... chill ... 😆

Alternatively simply apply to be a citizen of one of the EU Country or just simply buy one of their passport after all you have two years time limit to prepare yourself ... 😛

mrmo - Member
you mean accepting european courts and migration during transition is a failure for the remainers?

FWIW ninfan took the hunting ban stoically and with respect for the wishes of the overwhelming majority and never once ever brought it up after the law was passed and never whinged about it ...an example to all remainders everywhere of taking it on the chin he was

S****s @ Junkyard

The British government is slowly realising Brexit is “an act of great self-harm” and that upcoming EU-UK negotiations must seek to limit the damage, the State’s top Brexit official has said.

The British Government always thought it was a stupid idea, everyone knows that - the government (including the current PM) campaigned against it, the politicians of all parties and civil servants, heavily weighted towards a metropolitan elite with private school education & university degrees, were overwhelmingly opposed to the idea.

If both those are true why are they not pushing for the least worst Norway option, oh yeah everything we do from now on is to appease the loony right and the facist press

All you appear to have done to date is whinged a lot, without any discernible effect on the outcome or negotiating position. Oh, sorry , hurrah, you forced a court case, and a vote in parliament, that you lost... so made no difference whatsoever.

Ninfan - well I've been coaching the DIT on things we do in this country, things we might export, been out to the States talking to similar people at their end.

Have you done anything positive yet or are you a typical whinging Brexy?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39613888

More Brexit good news. No doubt someone will be along soon to tell me it's no loss........

However, if you still yearn to join some sort of large future bureaucratic system perhaps try again in 50 years time when you have that choice. In the meantime, the remainders should simply chillax man ... chill ...

We have the choice now oh whingy one 😆

There a hunting ban?

igm - Member

However, if you still yearn to join some sort of large future bureaucratic system perhaps try again in 50 years time when you have that choice. In the meantime, the remainders should simply chillax man ... chill ...

We have the choice now oh whingy one

I know you (remainders) do not wish to hear that but the truth (referendum) is that there is No turning back regardless of how much you whine.

You need to be more creative in your whinging man coz you are repeating yourselves ... 😆

Chewkw - find evidence of me whining.

Expressing anger yes, being part of the fight back against the idiots who brought us Brexit yes (if you have a ook there are grass roots campaigns starting every day), stating that if the Brexies can deliver (or even explain how they will deliver) a freer, more liberal society with more opportunity for my children then I'll gladly join them yes (I'm still waiting for anything positive from them - here or nationally), and explaining what I'm doing in the meantime to try to dig this country out of the more it's chosen yes. But try to find a whine or a whinge.

The country mad a huge mistake. No point in whining about that, I accept the country mad a mistake. Now we need to sort that.

Meanwhile all I hear from Brexies is whining that they won, we lost add we we need to get over it.

I have news for you whiny Brexy boys - you won. Almost a year ago. History. Get over it. Now get off you arses and start doing something to sort this mess.

The only positive things being done at the moment are being done by remainers.

If the Brexiteers are fed up with the Remainers moaning, why don't you give the Remainers something to be happy about?

Problem is you can't can you. Brexit is just a big shitty mess so all you can do is tell the Remainers to stop whining whilst keeping your heads in the sand and denying to yourselves that you made a bit of a cock up on voting day.

You say nothing, I invite you to add content and yet you still say nothing.

I could copy and paste all the comments made by others that your replied to in a manner suggesting a complete lack of comprehension, but it would just waste space. Go back and re-read.

Deal with it.

This is happening you know.
Individuals and companies are out there preparing for 2019… and it's all damage limitation.
Don't confuse a commitment to point out the stupidity of Brexit with a failure to prepare for it.
It's the Leavers I know that haven't yet realised what they need to be doing, because they believe no mitigation is needed, I worry for them far more than open eyed remainers.

I have news for you whiny Brexy boys - you won. Almost a year ago. History. Get over it. Now get off you arses and start doing something to sort this mess.

Why? We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them. You refused to believe this, and carried on ignoring them. Now you pay the price.

The only positive things being done at the moment are being done by remainers.

We're still too busy laughing

@Junky -simple answer to that.... did we manage to change it? Or did, in reality, most things just carry on like they did before, despite the predictions of disaster?

Makes you think, eh?

We need to take them to the edge of the abyss, and leave them tottering for a while.

And then scream in horror as we pull you in with us 🙂

My brother is trying to sort joint Italain nationality for his kids, and apparently the system is log jammed with new applications from Brits. They only have a max 3 month queue system (normally 3 weeks of people in the queue) and it's constantly full, you can't even join the queue now. They have never prepared their system to cope with a four fold increase in people seeking joint nationality. Lots of people seeking to "deal with it."

We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them.

Yep, lots of people voted for the chaos ahead… the worry is that they thought (and still think) it would effect the lives of others, not themselves. Many will find they are the ones taking the biggest hit, not those they angrily lashed out at.

Now you pay the price.

Nope, we do everything we can to protect our families and businesses from the changes ahead. Who will make sure that the "great many people" who are reliant on employment in industries that will shift elsewhere do not "pay the price?"

Ninfan - Brexit has so far been quite fun for this remainer. Doing lots of interesting things with interesting people (yet to meet a Brexy doing anything though - are laziness and Brexiness correlated 😉 ). And I'm sure on a personal basis I'll do very well out of it.
It will on the other hand take opportunities away from my children, and for that I will not forgive the Brexy idiots.

igm - Member
Chewkw - find evidence of me whining.

Expressing anger yes, ...

edenvalleyboy - Member
If the Brexiteers are fed up with the Remainers moaning, why don't you give the Remainers something to be happy about?

[b]Note: My comments are generally for all remainders so should be read that way.[/b]

Problem is you can't can you.

Brexit is just a big shitty mess so all you can do is tell the Remainers to stop whining whilst keeping your heads in the sand and denying to yourselves that you made a bit of a cock up on voting day and now have no clue as to how to make a positive outcome form it.

Who told you it is a mess? Why do you have to interpret leaving the EU bureaucratic system as a mess? I certainly do not see any mess at all but very predictable period of adjustment for all. You seem to jump to conclusion too quickly. 😯

At least Jamabalaya has something to say, misguided as it is to me, other than variants of "we won you lost get over it".

The rest just parrot WWYLGOT endlessly then don't understand why we won't "get behind" Brilliant Brexit Britain.

It's almost like they never won anything before ...

kelvin - Member
It's the Leavers I know that haven't yet realised what they need to be doing, because they believe no mitigation is needed, I worry for them far more than open eyed remainers.

Really? 😯

If I were the EU bureaucrats I would try all the dirtiest tricks available in this world to hammer UK so hard until UK submit or beg for mercy. 😈

But what the EU bureaucrats are doing are just predictable. 😛

Wow, forgot all about this forum waste of space. Thanks for the reply, I haven't read it.

Many will find they are the ones taking the biggest hit

Yup, and some of us will be pointing and laughing at them.

Don't get me wrong, any chance to reverse this mess and I'll do my best to help. Plenty of innocents are going to get screwed too, and I take no pleasure in that. But I'll be ok either way and the morons that shot themselves in the face can go **** themselves as far as I'm concerned.

It's almost like they never won anything before ...

Ohh I didn't realise it was a competition - what did they win then ?

But we live in a democracy, and the majority voted out.

Deal with it.

We all deal with things in our own way. Some people who see something they think is a bad idea may deal with it by trying to influence or change things. I would say that's a logical way to deal with things you don't like.

Isn't that what the leave campaign did for years? Now.... Telling people who are fundamentally opposed to and upset about leaving the EU to deal with it is one thing guaranteed to perpetuate division and pessimism in this county.

I admit I have never been comfortable with the political process and direction in the UK. To me, leaving the EU feels like an exponential deterioration in the situation. If dealing with it means passively accepting something that makes me feel unhappy and will impact negatively on things that are important to me, I am now wondering why the brexiteers didn't simply deal with us being part of the EU in the first place.

kelvin - Member
Nope, we do everything we can to protect our families and businesses from the changes ahead. Who will make sure that the "great many people" who are reliant on employment in industries that will shift elsewhere do not "pay the price?"

Just gonna have UK bureaucrats and probably a lot.

Why? We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them. You refused to believe this, and carried on ignoring them. Now you pay the price.

Not really. I suspect that you and Brexies in general will pay a bigger price than me.

Deal with it.

We also want to protect our families, businesses and employment etc, just without the EU bureaucrats.

I've run my own business for the last 25 year. The Eu bureaucrats have has zero impact, in fact the exact opposite. Now we are dealing with massive price rises (due to the tanked pound) and loads, and I mean potentially loads, of extra bureaucracy with dealing with import tariffs to and from the EC. Go Brexit..........

dudeofdoom - Member
Just gonna have UK bureaucrats and probably a lot.

Brexiteers are the ultimate denialists.

Next there'll be trying to tell us the Earth is flat......

Well denialists is one word for them 😀

Why? We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them. You refused to believe this, and carried on ignoring them. Now you pay the price.

Nice sentiment.

What do you hope to achieve by it?

milleboy - Member
Well denialists is one word for them

Ninfan - member

Why? We warned you at the time that a great many people were perfectly happy to crash the whole thing into the ground just to hear the screams of people like yourself who had spent years ignoring them. You refused to believe this, and carried on ignoring them. Now you pay the price.

I'm not totally sure what to make of this statement. But I think it's probably bad.

what did they win then ?

A lower quality of life!

I'm not totally sure what to make of this statement. But I think it's probably bad.

That the poster in question is a vindictive troll?

At least Jamabalaya has something to say, misguided as it is to me, other than variants of "we won you lost get over it".

Yes, but not as bad as bureaucrats from 27 nations ...

Reminded this evening of Uncle Monty in Withnail and I. “Shat on by Tories, shovelled up by Labour”.

Does that make you exactly 30 years too late? 😉

kelvin - Member

I could...

Still nothing.
There's nothing wrong with having nothing to add kelvin, it's just silly to pretend that you have. 🙂

Good lord, Davis is so dim he thinks relocation of the EMA and EBA is a negotiation matter. Seriously.

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/853823607000244227