[url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/theresa-mays-not-bluffing-on-immigration/ ]http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/theresa-mays-not-bluffing-on-immigration/[/url]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37271420
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/07/theresa-may-rejects-calls-to-relax-indian-visa-rules/
i can keep on if you want?
There, that was easy wasn't it?
Awesome, I feel much better know what's going to happen, knowing what she's aiming for.
#Clueless
Being told what to do isn't negotiation.
We're really in charge of things aren't we?
Thanks mrmo
Now perhaps you can show us which of those articles say that Theresa may was planning on
banning all immigration.
As you claimed above?
What's that you say? "Cough, splutter, racist, tories, whinge, doomed, the sky is falling, the sky is falling"
effectively nothing.
Mind you when non EU migration was perfectly controllable and 150k per year, it is all bo110cks!
In a country with a non replacing birthrate an ever increasing number of elderly, no migration is going to cause issues. For a model look to Japan.
Sorry, I thought you said
banning all immigration.
Another #leftiefact stumbles at the first fence 🙄
As you claimed above?
[chewkw] but you can't demonstrate that she isn't planning that, can you? Maggots, cheese and more maggots.
Bow before the maggots or they will bend. The world IS NOT about!!! Understand Me it's all square withinthis circle.
And you still can't tell us what she wants or what she expects or what she is going to negotiate for. Prove it or shut and stop complaining, you are the worst buch of whinging winners I've ever seen and I think you're trying to convince yourselves that the vote was a good thing. Table, chair, mobile phone![/chewkw]
Another #leftiefact stumbles at the first fence
Phew! Good job it was said by a random on STW rather that the loudest voices in the leave campaign. That would have been embarrassing.
would you rather i said ban all immigration unless your rich? Arab sheik, Indian business man, Russian oligarch your welcome we won't ask any questions about where the money to buy you mayfair apartment came from.
Students, you can f*** off, want to contribute to a local community not interested, etc
would you rather i said...
I would have rather you had not spouted alarmist and exaggerated #leftiebollox and run around shouting 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling' in a big post brexit mass-hysteria based over emotional mutual arse flapping panic just because nobody is giving you a running commentary.
But then, now that you've been called out on it, I suspect you wish you hadn't either 😉
But then, now that you've been called out on it, I suspect you wish you hadn't either
Says the voice of experience. 😆
But you just keep spouting on and on and on and on and on and on with your dodgy photos and barely thought out comments.
And yet, for some strange reason, like Jamba and Chewkw, I keep ending up on the winning side.
2010 election, indyref, 2015 election, Brexit, Trump
😆
And yet, for some strange reason, like Jamba and Chewkw, I keep ending up on the winning side.
If lying to win votes makes you winners, I'd rather be a loser.
#Ninfantasy
Its certainly a minority I'm happy to be in.
Yeah, but lying to win votes and still ending up a loser is just a tragedy, isn't it...
#brexitageddon
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out ]You might want to have a read of this, I remind you that the process hasn't begun yet so it's a little early to be claiming any sort of victory. Oh yes, the cost of keeping Nissan here was a great victory, We need more success stories like that.[/url]
You have won nothing yet, keep gloating.
Considering you're a winner ninfan, you come across on this forum as miserable as sin.
Ninfan - given your earlier musical post, I saw this and I thought of you.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/13/jo-cox-charity-single-politicians-pop-stars-rolling-stones-kt-tunstall-david-gray?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-2 ]May you get what you need...[/url]
And the wind is changing ninfan, you haven't won yet, and you may well not win on Brexit
[i]And yet, for some strange reason, like Jamba and Chewkw, I keep ending up on the winning side.
2010 election, indyref, 2015 election, Brexit, Trump
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Reminds us Ninfin, haven't you been able to manage your family 'issues' precisely because we live in a country with a welfare state and a part of it is that there is no link to what you've put in, before you can take it out.
Yet your voting record kinda points to someone who doesn't really believe in it - hypocrite, maybe?
Do you need the PM to give you a running commentary or do you think she should report to you? 😆captainsasquatch - Member
And you still can't tell us what she wants or what she expects or what she is going to negotiate for.
I ain't complaining coz it is all fine as far as I know. PM can do what she think best for the country and I shall support her. Not really bother about what she does really.
Describe your feeling to me upon hearing Brexit Victory.
Describe your feeling to me upon hearing Brexit Victory.
I felt that the people had been lied to (Farage confirmed this), but I respected the decision and wanted atricle 50 to be triggered immediately. Unfortunately this isn't happening for some reason.
The vote has been counted and we have to respect democracy.
I am happy that the remainers aren't going to change their minds, it's the muppets who voted leave who have changed and may just force another vote (Cameron triggered the referendum to appease the public, it could happen again). The people who are waking up to the fact they were lied to so blatantly who will drive this change. How will that feel?
How do you feel knowing that you were mugged?
How do you feel knowing that you had to cheat in order to win?
How do you feel having won and not really knowing what it is that you've won?
YesDo you need the PM to give you a running commentary or do you think she should report to you?
Foolish boyI ain't complaining coz it is all fine as far as I know. PM can do what she think best for the country and I shall support her. Not really bother about what she does really.
strangely invigorating- time to start fighting back against the racists and xenophobesDescribe your feeling to me upon hearing Brexit Victory.
Foolish boy
There is much he doesn't understand.
What's that BR? The Tories are going to privatise the NHS and end all benefits?
Who knew? IF only the Labour Party had warned us before the election, or the election before that, or the election before that, or the election before that, or the election before that, or the election before that
Maybe we could write it on the side of a bus, and then when it didn't happen whinge endlessly about it?
Do you need the PM to give you a running commentary or do you think she should report to you?
If Leave had said what they were going to do, then I would be OK with May just getting on and doing that, whatever it was.
But they didn't, and I'm not OK with May just taking that Leave vote to use as carte blanche to do whatever she wants.
It's not even as though she was elected herself.
EDIT: I think the Conservatives said in their 2015 manifesto that we would remain within the single market (?). So I would expect her to stick with that.
Perhaps someone should tell Mrs May.
Although Mrs May’s team denied she had decided to quit the single market, the EU sees the free movement of workers and oversight of a single court as indispensable pillars of a common market.
2/10/16Mrs May said she wanted to give “British companies the maximum freedom to trade and operate in the single market”, but not at the expense of allowing free movement or accepting the jurisdiction of judges in Luxembourg.
She should spend less time sitting on her elbows.
Ninfan - why are you posting clips of a clown?
Immigration is what May will stick with coz she feels she's on strong ground, (despite her disastrous track record as home sec. 😯 )
It will be the bone she throws the electorate as it becomes apparent that trade negotiatons will produce a shadow of our former in EU position- At least she tried to keep them foreigners out 😉
Of course if the senior Tories can swallow enough pride to go grovelling to Farage he might be able to hook them up with a few tid bits from the orange one.
That's a #leftiefact you can take to the bank
[I]What's that BR? The Tories are going to privatise the NHS and end all benefits?[/I]
No, who said that?
But your voting record and posts on here point to someone reasonably right-wing, yet you're happy to take advantage of the benefits of living in the very type of state you're against - so maybe it's HYPOCRITE!
Here's what Boris Johnson said about retaining access to the single market:
What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market – but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law.
So if you believe what Boris Johnson says, then that means that Leave voters might have expected to retain access to the single market.
Of course, no-one believes what BJ says anymore....
Most remainders are out of touch with reality hence cannot accept the alternatives.
Brexit and now President Elect Trump ...
chewkw, I answered your question.
Would you mind answering mine?
[b]chewkw [/b]- Member[b]Most remainders are out of touch with reality [/b]hence cannot accept the alternatives.
Post of the tread. 😆
Why on earth would you think ninfan is miserable ? He is taking the time to put the other side of an argument in an environment which is much more left leaning than the country at large. Just as per the videos posted many STWers are not interested in listening to feedback as for the reason of their loss and imo they will keep on being on the losing side. Their belief is they lost as the other side "lied".
Non EU migration is dominated by highly paid executives (high pay = highly taxed) and students who typically pay a premium to UK/EU students and as such subsidise their education. Both make economic sense, they pay their way and then some. In both categories you have to prove your worth before being granted a visa. Simple and effective.
but basically banning all immigration.
Quite simply Mrs May is absolutely not speaking about banning all immigration. Net flat immigration means 200,000+ new people every year to balance the leavers.
As for a low birth rate and needing immigrants two things, firstly you can achieve that with a system of visa based controlled immigration and secondly that's a ponzi scheme solution as you are not addressing the fundamental issue (that people need to save enough during their working life to support themselves in retirement) in fact all you are doing is making the situation much worse in the longer term.
Le Pen was interesting on Marr today.
Their belief is they lost as the other side "lied".
You say that like it's insignificant.
Jamba - I'm becoming less and less convinced remain has lost. We just need to get peoples voices out there and the win is still there for the taking. And the longer we faff around the easier it will be.
Ninfan, stop being an arsehole. By all means debate but don't be a dick about it. And before you accuse me of whining because you're disagreeing with me, notice I'm not saying this to Jambalaya.
However I will take him up on this:
very high level stats which people rejected as obvious bollix based on what rhey saw with their own eyes.
Are you seriously suggesting that people should disregard researched statistics in favour of a single viewpoint without research?
That is absolutely shockingly poor. I bet you've had enough of experts too haven't you? God forbid anyone actually knows things or tries to find out anything. You'll be trying to tell us the earth is flat next, telling us to look out of the window for proof.
Awful argument, you should be ashamed of yourself for that.
You were right though that it is a political issue, but given the benefits of EU membership, governments should be mitigating any negative effects WITHOUT losing the positives. In other words, they should do some bloody work not just pander to popular opinion.
And yet, for some strange reason, like Jamba and Chewkw, I keep ending up on the winning side.
Well let's wait for the end game.
Just as per the videos posted many STWers are not interested in listening to feedback as for the reason of their loss and imo they will keep on being on the losing side. Their belief is they lost as the other side "lied"
As usual, the leftie intelligentsia spend so much time stuck on transmit that rather than listening, they have to heap bile and derision on anyone who they can't bully into agreeing with them.
Shite, even the unions now agree that immigration and freedom of movement is broken: http://classonline.org.uk/blog/item/len-mccluskey-britain-at-a-crossroads
[i]And we are also, I would argue, past the point where working people can be convinced that the free movement of labour has worked for them, their families, their industries and their communities.Are you seriously suggesting that people should disregard researched statistics in favour of a single viewpoint without research?
It is fine to argue values and perspectives for the middle distance, but if it comes up against the reality of people’s daily experience, these arguments will fail.[/i]
slowoldman - Member
Well let's wait for the end game.
Time line?
Give me a time, when?
When is end the end game?
Questions asked chewkw, I'm expecting answers.
I guess it doesn't work like thsat for you, does it?
Well provisionally March 2019, but that may change. 😆
Ninfan - agreed there's quite a few "stuck on transmit". Two or three of the Brexmaniacs (I think that is appropriate in this case) fit that description
captainsasquatch - Member
Questions asked chewkw, I'm expecting answers.
I guess it doesn't work like thsat for you, does it?
Let it go.
Be strong.
Do the time as others did for 43 years.
Let it go.
Be strong.
Do the time as others did for 43 years.
And suffer 43 years of a mistake? You're having a laugh, aren't you?
Don't you feel foolish for waiting for 43 years before calling for change?
If you can't answer a couple of questions, you can't be respected. Ninfan puts up dodgy photos and Jamba avoids important points.
None of you have done anything to make me think that my remain vote was wasted, nor have you done anything convince me that leave is the best way forward.
You haven't won anything and we all appear to be losers.
Makes you think.
And we are also, I would argue, past the point where working people can be convinced that the free movement of labour has worked for them, their families, their industries and their communities.
It is fine to argue values and perspectives for the middle distance, but if it comes up against the reality of people’s daily experience, these arguments will fail.
But it's not the realities of people's daily experience tho is it, unless you count reading the daily mail and the sun as part of that. The lies also came from the papers (who are obviously impartial and have nothing to gain from a potential brexit...). Voters were heavily influenced by lies, it doesn't matter where the lies came from. Democracy isn't about winning a vote it's about doing the right thing for the people, that includes giving them the right information to make an informed decision.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/13/rbs-chairman-calls-on-theresa-may-brexit-transitional-plan-howard-davies-banks-uk?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter ]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/13/rbs-chairman-calls-on-theresa-may-brexit-transitional-plan-howard-davies-banks-uk?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter[/url]
So not telling, means jobs walk... Maybe May should reveal some of the plan.
