[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

I suspect we're about to get a British sausage

. . . up the arse!

It is going to send the Internet into meltdown for sure.

The Leave eu Facebook page basically says, parliament is sovereign but not on this occasion.

For a foreigner like me, the reactions are quite scary.
I'm used to the Front National in France being openly racist, but those newspapers front pages are unbelievable. They are national papers read by millions.

I wonder how many more racial crimes will happen after those.

jambalaya - Member

What a day to pick to be offline Must catch up later. Article 50 before end of March either via winning an appeal or by a Commons Vote perhaps as soon as later this month. Tories won't vote against it or trigger a General Election. My 2 cents.

Oh thank God for that - did anyone else have a mental Picture of Jamba's front door, milk bottles and news papers piling up, "oh what's that smell?".

Before they get his neighbours saying "he kept himself to himself" on TV as they wheeled his corpse away in the background.

And now Wales and possibly Scotland standing against the government at the supreme Court.

A Tory mp has also resigned in protest to the government reaction to yesterday judgement.

This is getting messier by the minute.

Some good tweets listed here about the headlines including responses from judges.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/04/enemies-of-the-people-british-newspapers-react-judges-brexit-ruling?CMP=fb_gu

I've got a mother who buys the Mail on Sunday and in-laws who get the Telegraph every single bloody day.

Sigh.

Stephen Phillips

may be an outie

but he likes cycling in hilly lincolnshire
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2016-10-12a.106.0#g114.1

either way May's majority is shrinking.....

[quote=kimbers ]Theresa has replied

If only it wasn't possible to believe the only reason that isn't real is because she knows better than to reveal what she really thinks.

If this is our crack team of negotiators who are going to get us the best deal you'd have to say that they've ****ed up even before leaving the starting gate.

For a foreigner like me, the reactions are quite scary.
I'm used to the Front National in France being openly racist, but those newspapers front pages are unbelievable. They are national papers read by millions.

I was born in the UK and have lived here my whole life but i have a foreign name...

Part of me is just waiting for "f*** off foreigner" to appear on something.

brexiteer, now wanting a military coup

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Friend of mine from Sweden was told to 'go back to where she'd come' by an old man at a bus stop not long after the referendum result.

Absolutely shocking, she was quite upset when I met her in the pub afterwards and I had to reassure her that it was only a small minority who though like that. Despite being here for 12 years and with a British husband she's still not sure whether to stay in the UK anymore.

I work with a lot of European scientists, some of them have been here for 15+ years, several of them are planning to head back home once their contracts expire, directly as a result of the referendum and the shit it has stirred up, they no longer think its a good place for them or their families.

[quote=kimbers ]brexiteer, now wanting a military coup

He's posting far more nutty stuff

- and I'm sure he's not alone. Though in almost the opposite way to DM articles it's worth reading the comments on his posts for reassurance of the sanity of ordinary people (I suspect the Brexit vote profile of typical FB users is somewhat different to that of DM commenters).

Blimey! The Reichstag is on fire again, too!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-austria-parliament-fire-idUKKBN12Z0VN

It's all happening again!

No, wait. That's in the "Anschluss " bit of the Germany... 😀

who reckons farige is toying with getting his arse elected in lincs then?

hes desperate to get his foot into westminster after all

there are some peaches on there almost all in caps lock

IGNORE THE JUDGES IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY.

Yes lets ignore the democratic law of the land, as decided by an independent judiciary simply stating what the rules parliament passed mean, all for the sake of our democracy says the man inciting riots and asking the army to overthrow the govt

i think we probably all agree this sis the dort of person we worry about having a vote.

Despite being here for 12 years and with a British husband she's still not sure whether to stay in the UK anymore.

I've lived here almost all my life and loved and stuck up for the place; and even I'm not sure I want to stay any more.

I'm thinking of changing me moniker to Saxe-Coburg and wait for the insults from the plastic patriots to roll in.

somewhere in chipping norton, right now

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I've lived here almost all my life and loved and stuck up for the place; and even I'm not sure I want to stay any more.

Same here, if the racist bigots get their way and we go for 'Hard Brexit' then think I'll look to move somewhere more open minded. Such a shame but I don't want to live in a country that shuts itself off from the rest of the continent.

This page's formatting is almost as messed up as brexit.

molgrips - Member

This page's formatting is almost as messed up as brexit.

Both messed up by David Cameron.

Same here, if the racist bigots get their way and we go for 'Hard Brexit'

not everyone that voted for breexit is racist and it's pretty ignorant of people to keep suggesting this over and over, like a broken record, that they are. It's about as ignorant as the people that voted for breexit based on those 'promises' or for racist reasons.

My wife is Hungarian, she is having similar thoughts. She's lived here since 2003.

She's applying for a British Passport as there in no guarantee on her status without one.

-not everyone that voted for breexit is racist and it's pretty ignorant of people to keep suggesting over and over, like a broken record, that they are.-

the implication was that those pushing for hard brexit are racist- not everyone who voted for brexit, im sure many wanted soft brexit, and tbf you must really hate foreigners if you want to damage our economy as much as a hard exit would.

the implication was that those pushing for hard brexit are racist

and there's another ignorant comment - why are they necessarily racist ?

[i]-not everyone that voted for breexit is racist and it's pretty ignorant of people to keep suggesting over and over, like a broken record, that they are.-[/I]

True, but my MIL is both and was amazed when she mentioned voting leave that the wife and I were remainers. Why she thought otherwise is beyond us.

breexit is very unlikely to happen now anyway with MPs voting on it - for instance UKIP got a lot of votes in the last election and only one MP, SNP got a lot less votes and loads of MPs - so that is going to give a totally different result than the referendum.

and tbf you must really hate foreigners if you want to damage our economy as much as a hard exit would

hating foreigners and hating the EU organisation are two different things and I think the vote was to leave the EU.

Some people might have misinterpreted that as getting rid of foreigners but they would have to be pretty stupid to not realise that the only foreigners affected would be those from the EU and not elsewhere.

Only as stupid though as those that keep going on about breexit voters all being racist...

not everyone that voted for breexit is racist and it's pretty ignorant of people to keep suggesting this over and over, like a broken record, that they are.

No of course not, but a significant percentage are, and what Brexit has delivered to those people who are racist (and what we have seen post-referendum) is a perceived validation of their skewed opinions and a feeling that it's okay for them to now speak out with their racist views, making foreigners feel unwelcome in the process.

This is exactly the last sort of thing this country needs right now and requires shutting down quickly. At the very east the government should be re-assuring all foreigners that are here legally, that whatever happens post-Brexit, they will still be a valued and welcome part of UK society.

I sincerely hope that this doesn't lead to a general election based on breexit and corbyn getting in because of it - that will be a lot worse for the country's economy than breexit.

Getting rid of May would be good though I think - even Boris would be better and deep down he wasn't really a complete exiter, based on his comments.

I've always considered that your level racism is displayed on the back of your head - only other people can see and quantify it.

Standing where I am 🙂 , everyone I know who have declared voting for brexit (bar ONE), has displayed a cheerful amount of casual racism.

Edit - I am [b]definitely [/b]not racist because, apparently, I cant even spell the bl00dy word... 😀

why are they necessarily racist ?

coz a hard brexit has the potential to be so damaging its bling jingositic faith that motivates and little else

Getting rid of May would be good though I think - even Boris would be better and deep down he wasn't really a complete exiter, based on his comments

What the same Boris who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon he didn't actually agree with merely to further his own career? Really? Have you been drinking?

not everyone that voted for breexit is racist and it's pretty ignorant of people to keep suggesting this over and over, like a broken record, that they are. It's about as ignorant as the people that voted for breexit based on those 'promises' or for racist reasons.

no not everyone who voted brexit is a racist, but the racists have seen it as a vindication and the current approach of papers like the mail are only reinforcing the idea the racism is acceptable.

And there are alot of racists in the UK, they have just kept their mouths shut during the recent past

This is exactly the last sort of thing this country needs right now and requires shutting down quickly. At the very east the government should be re-assuring all foreigners that are here legally, that whatever happens post-Brexit, they will still be a valued and welcome part of UK society.

Pretty sure I saw Rees-Moog (for it was he) saying that their status is actually legally secure anyway - can't remember on what basis. I think it is just political BS with these statements about status not being certain - May has a habit of making statements that can't be backed up...

I'd have to say that of the outers I know race was a factor for their vote.
"I'm not a racist but...."

not everyone that voted for breexit is racist and it's pretty ignorant of people to keep suggesting this over and over, like a broken record, that they are. It's about as ignorant as the people that voted for breexit based on those 'promises' or for racist reasons.

Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but every single racist voted for Brexit

And now they've taken the result as an endorsement of their toxic views. And that's because the Leave campaign gave a tacit nod that racism was ok, as it courted their votes out of pure cynical opportunism

Everyone, not least the press, seem to have quickly forgotten about the murder of Jo Cox, which was the ultimate (somewhat inevitable) expression of this present attitude of mean-spirited intolerance and xenophobia

With the vile, almost facistic sentiments being stoked up by todays absolutely disgraceful newspaper front pages, would you bet against us having another similar incident shortly

Because I wouldn't.

With the vile sentiments being stoked up by todays absolutely disgraceful newspaper front pages, would you bet against us having another similar incident shortly

I truly hope that is b*llocks, but it is my view!

On a lighter note, anyone seen the £350 million we were promised for the NHS?

Why don't we just have a referendum to get rid of the High Court?

Missed a good.morning by the looks of things - no papers yet, no radio etc - just got very cold and now wet on long bike ride instead.

Mol - people who understand business, and people capable of leading for a start.
Someone else re housing - the givernment - well strictly the independent (for how much longer) BoE are very active in the housing market - propping it up at unsustainable levels !!! More reason to keep them out of the way 😉

I was talking to a mate in the pub past night who is pro-Brexit. His main motivation for leaving was to give the UK the ability to independently strike trade deals beyond the EU. He has no problem with freedom of movement and would be glad if that could continue.

So there you go.

That shows two key things: not every leaver is racist and leavers have differing ideas about what Brexit should involve.

hating foreigners and hating the EU organisation are two different things and I think the vote was to leave the EU.

Indeed TG, nothing about leaving the single market, about ending freedom of movement of various things, the vote was effectively "do you want to not have a say in setting EU rules any more?"

Everything else was and is up for grabs. And the first bit still might be - who knows?

Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but every single racist voted for Brexit

pretty sure I saw Rees-Moog (for it was he) saying that their status is actually legally secure anyway

I think it is just political BS with these statements about status not being certain

The last I heard re EU citizens was it depends on what the EU says about us that are over there[ in the EU] as we will reciprocate[ probably]

Missed a good.morning by the looks of things - no papers yet, no radio etc - just got very cold and now wet on long bike ride instead.

Good option. To bring you up to speed, nothing has happened. Arguments about the Venn diagrams of Brexiters and racists are being rerun, the Mail is being xenophobic and possibly racist so nowt new.

Oh the Express appears to be advocating armed revolution- or maybe just implying. And Diana is still alive.