[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Does it really need an act of parliament to trigger article 50 as opposed to a parliamentary resolution ? It will need an Act to revoke the EU legislation but that is a different post article 50 thing . I have not read the full judgement yet as too busy trying to read and apply other ones from this week .

Paper owned by billionaire shapeshifter lizard resident of wherever he can get away with paying the least tax rails against "loaded foreign elite".

The press in this country is an open sewer.

I feel a bit funny.

Listening to Ken Clarke last night and Nick Clegg this morning, on the radio, I thought they were excellent and completely agreed with them.

Thank goodness for parliamentary process.

Paper owned by billionaire shapeshifter lizard resident of wherever he can get away with paying the least tax rails against "loaded foreign elite".

If you want a laugh, turn Five Live on. They're about to have a phone in about yesterdays court decision.

Expect a parade of shouty, angry, racist, very red-faced black cab drivers, and outraged retired colonels, so fuelled on righteous indigence that they're about to go into orbit

All very entertaining 😀

I watched Question Time last night, I'm depressed.

It was the Labour lady that did it, she and the other Politicians have no intention whatsoever in making sure we get what's best for the country as all we heard was that she'd vote for Article 50 (along with typical weasel politician phrases about jobs/economy etc), but bottom-line is that none of them (except the SNP I'd guess) will put themselves out there.

IMO the UK is bollox'd and it'll only get worse; socially and economically.

I watched Question Time last night, I'm depressed.

I remember sticking up for the UK on previous threads, saying how overall it was a pretty decent place to live and work. Partly because of the openness and tolerance of people.

I feel pretty stupid now.

Yep [i]you're[/i] bolox'd.

Grandparent's birth certificates obtained. Entry requested on Irish birth register.

It was the Labour lady that did it, she and the other Politicians have no intention whatsoever in making sure we get what's best for the country

Exactly, all she's interested in is making the Conservatives look like idiots (which often they are of course) - she's not interested in what's good for the country. Shame on her!

It's about time that the politicians worked together for the good of the country, standing up for what they believe in and not just by default opposing what the other side are saying, engaging in political points scoring to try and further their own careers. It's no wonder that the public hate politicians!

If you want a laugh, turn Five Live on. They're about to have a phone in about yesterdays court decision.

Expect a parade of shouty, angry, racist, very red-faced black cab drivers, and outraged retired colonels, so fuelled on righteous indigence that they're about to go into orbit

All very entertaining

I'm holding out for the Jeremy Vine show on R2. Even more incoherent frothing than normal, hopefully. 🙂

A spilt government including the nutters capable of doing real harm and with the levers to do so, a split opposition including the nutter capable of doing real harm but largely AWOL - please can this put an end to the idea that we want governments play a greater role in running the country. It an omnishambles

QT (Ed of Economist apart who must have wondered WTF did I agree to this) was a genuine low

So next step. Present Bill proposing trigger of A50 noting this is

1 Executing the mandate delivered by the referendum
2 Will trigger negotiations regarding a deal specific to the UK
3 As such involves a wide range of potential outcomes including potentially a hard exit (all known at the time of the election)
4 Gov will seek to protect trade, investment and jobs in the UK, prioritising access to a single market

The Ayes have it....

Now get on with it FFS

I hope someone takes the express to court for incitement, just for sh1t$ and giggles I had a look at what they were saying, its horrific! Article talks about war and churchill and ends exhorting people to 'fight fight fight!'

Yesterday's express front page had a picture of FOREIGN lorry drivers on their phones. Any driver on their phone is bad news. Why did they have to comment on where they are from if not to stir up hatred?

please can this put an end to the idea that we want governments play a greater role in running the country

So who else is going to do it?

If you want a laugh, turn Five Live on. They're about to have a phone in about yesterdays court decision.

Marvellous isn't it. I especially liked the man who was blubbing about the end of the greatest democracy the world has ever seen. Special mention too to the woman who said the next 1000 years of history will be consigned to the dustbin if we don't leave the EU.

Risked a look at the Express website this morning (early morning heart starter you see) and I can only come to the conclusion it is the Daily Mash come to life - evoking the spirt of Churchill and all of that.

I already hated the prospect of Brexit and the Brexiteers, but I hate them even more after seeing the reaction to the courts.

The Turkeys might have almost been spared Christmas, and yet they still demand it. Weird.

Ok, here's an idea.

If Trump wins the US election, maybe we can get him to issue say half a million green cards a year to UK citizens. That should filter out a fair few dickheads from this country. No-one decent would emigrate, but the kind of stupid racist thickos for whom those newspaper front pages are written would probably lap it up and leave.

I'm as depressed now, because of those newspaper headlines, than I was on the 24th of June.

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Article talks about war and Churchill

Thought Churchill was pro EU?

Ok, here's an idea.

If Trump wins the US election, maybe we can get him to issue say half a million green cards a year to UK citizens. That should filter out a fair few dickheads from this country. No-one decent would emigrate, but the kind of stupid racist thickos for whom those newspaper front pages are written would probably lap it up and leave.

Thought Churchill was pro EU?

He was, but that is an actual fact and who gives a shit about those any more?

So who else is going to do it?

Please bring back Spitting Image. Please.

If we could get all the moderate businesses and people to chip in enough money we could maybe start a free paper, like Metro - hand it out to bored people on public transport, and perhaps present an alternative viewpoint...

maybe we can get him to issue say half a million green cards a year to UK citizens

Or even better get the EU to issue passports to those who want them and everyone with half a brain and the ability to use it can **** off and leave the idiots to their 1950s fantasy island.

Please bring back Spitting Image. Please.

Teamhurtmore - Member
please can this put an end to the idea that we want governments play a greater role in running the country.

Or, maybe our government could actually *try* running the country for while? - it would probably be more constructive than all the posturing and back-stabbing our glorious leaders fill their time with...

for example, here are 3 problems requiring urgent attention:

1) the price of housing
2) air pollution
3) energy production

i don't see anything being done about any of them.

leave the idiots to their 1950s fantasy island.

The German slang for Brits has never been more appropriate:

Inselaffen - Island Monkeys

matt_outandabout - Member

Please bring back Spitting Image. Please.

I did wonder if Brexit had been carefully manipulated by Ian Hislop purely for the comedy news. The great reveal will be when Theresa May pulls off her wig and it turns out to be Paul Merton in drag.

please can this put an end to the idea that we want governments play a greater role in running the country

If you want a laugh, turn Five Live on. They're about to have a phone in about yesterdays court decision.

It actually made me impressed by how informed this forum is and how it is not at all dumbed down 😯

I think that most people in the UK still can be quite reasonable. That's why we have the situation where people will say to an immigrant colleague "I hate immigrants, except you, you're ok - it's just the rest of them".

They're not aware of what's really happening to the public debate. If people can be prompted to think about this stuff then we could still get somewhere. But this won't happen whilst we have hate propaganda being sold by the million every morning, with no widespread alternative.

Maybe we should have introduced a mandatory IQ test to be completed at the polling station prior to voting to rule out anyone who fails to have a basic understanding of the issues?

I think that most people in the UK still can be quite reasonable

Drive or cycle on a road if you want to see just how selfish they are in general

Also the reason for voting were risible
not one person i heard say the EU was undemocratic was able to explain to me how they got the president or the commissioners and they were oblivious to us have an unelected head of state - that was tradition - and an unelected HoL.

Problem is they are also easily malleable by emotive arguments that are clearly total bollocks as this vote and subsequent pledge withdrawal has just demonstrated

I think people just repeat whatever argument they've heard because they don't want to say how much they dislike immigration.

If we could get all the moderate businesses and people to chip in enough money we could maybe start a free paper, like Metro - hand it out to bored people on public transport, and perhaps present an alternative viewpoint...

That's one of my more boring 'lottery win' fantasies, starting up a free newspaper that gives an impartial*, succinct fact check of the daily headlines, almost like a daily, dumbed down version of the Private Eye.

Throw some boobs on page three, some sport on the back page, and people might actually read it, could change the world...

*or as impartial as possible, states it's references at least...

Maybe we should have introduced a mandatory IQ test to be completed at the polling station prior to voting to rule out anyone who fails to have a basic understanding of the issues?

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

Some truth in this IMHO.

How about limiting voting rights to those paying top rate income tax? That'll get rid of those frightful thick racists.

nah farige would still get a vote

If people can be prompted to think about this stuff then we could still get somewhere

Most people now are only capable of thinking in soundbites, 140 characters and videos shorter than about 30 seconds on Facebook.

Reading an in-depth article (especially one on some of the nuanced complexities around the EU, law, economics, politics...) is simply not going to happen.

The good old days where actual reporters would conduct research, interview experts, break the subject matter down into easily digestible facts and then present it in a clear manner to everyone are long gone - replaced instead by screaming clickbait headlines designed to suck you in before being distracted by a pop-up ad and some cute cat pictures.

Everything has been dumbed down way past the point of getting anyone to understand anything. 🙁

Problem is they are also easily malleable by emotive arguments that are clearly total bollocks

Yes, and that is one of the key things that needs addressing.

True bring back democracy still be in the free market save the NHS by paying it instead of faceless european bureaucrats , our laws for our people

you can see how the patriotic have your cake and eat argument is appealing

However its also completely impossible to deliver in the real world as it was a lie and leaving just gave more power to the vested interest who will try and butterup big business - foreign owned no less- and try to get a special deal for the city of london/bankers and financiers rather than the people of the country.

It was never going to deliver what they were sold 0 why they could not see this is debatable - stupidity , good hood winking who knows

IMHO we have decades of shitty stories about the EU and nothing positive - bit like benefits they are all scroungers they are not poel in desperate need - and eventually folk just swallow this shit uncritically

That many of the newspapers, who pedle this lie, are foreign owned is another great irony

Problem is they are also easily malleable by emotive arguments that are clearly total bollocks

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Can I recommend Yes, Minister, the British Sausage episode - it may have been the special between Y,M and Y,PM.

I suspect we're about to get a British sausage.