It's not meant as an insult just an illustration as to how people use fear and exploit peoples ignorance/lack of understanding to create hate.
The myth that the UK's borders are not secure, the free borders meant terrorists (who mainly lived in and were nationals of the countries they attacked) could do as they please (and it would be fixed by some passport control).
It's not meant as an insult just an illustration as to how people use fear and exploit peoples ignorance/lack of understanding to create hate.
Its a great recipe, you can also use it to create religion, infomercials and a global news network.
It's also a lazy get-out clause when you don't agree with someone else's views but can't be arsed to explain why.
I think the issue is much bigger than in or out of the EU and EU migration I feel a lot of people are useing this vote to push back against Globalization and a perceived elitism from those doing very well from it but not sharing the spoils fairly. a lot os people fell left behind.
mikewsmith - Member
They were born there. Your trying to use something to justify an action that would not have stopped it. And you say my post makes no sense.
Are you high on weed? I know weed is cool etc but try not to smoke that too often will you ... 😯
Born there ... how many generations have they been there? Still unable to integrate? WTF!
With our boarder back at least they do not have rights to live here as they wish or at will.
At the moment ALL EU citizens can live in UK at will, so before you can sort out the current problems you want to make it harder to deal with?
Are you deliberately trying to leak ZM brain juice?
Obvious is obvious ... 🙄
It's not meant as an insult just an illustration as to how people use fear and exploit peoples ignorance/lack of understanding to create hate.
You are not exploiting your own arguments? 🙄
Really?
The myth that the UK's borders are not secure, the free borders meant terrorists (who mainly lived in and were nationals of the countries they attacked) could do as they please (and it would be fixed by some passport control).
All EU citizens can live in UK ... 😯
The only benefit I can see with the Leave campaign is to potentially increase the security of our borders......but don't think for a second that immigration will end with a vote to Leave - we have the 5th biggest GDP & as such will still have a moral obligation to welcome the poor, oppressed & the needy whether we like it or not.
Voting to Leave will not "fix immigration"......whatever that problem actually is??
mrlebowski - MemberThe only benefit I can see with the Leave campaign is to potentially increase the security of our borders......but don't think for a second that immigration will end with a vote to Leave - we have the 5th biggest GDP & as such will still have a moral obligation to welcome the poor, oppressed & the needy whether we like it or not.
Voting to Leave will not "fix immigration"......whatever that problem actually is??
Ya, really ...
How do you know?
Have you tried leaving EU yet?
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Ya, really ...How do you know?
Have you tried leaving EU yet?
Do you really think we are going to be able just pull up the draw bridge & wave 2 fingers at the World???
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You may disagree and even think I'm racist but I suspect I'll be in the majority come the vote.
I think you'll find quite the opposite.
The British are a pragmatic people and all the exit brigade have offered is some sort of utopia outside the EU which in reality amounts to nothing.
mrlebowski - Member
Do you really think we are going to be able just pull up the draw bridge & wave 2 fingers at the World???
Have you tried it yet? You have not tried so how do you know it ain't working? You don't know do you?
However, what we know now or where we are now since becoming part of EU is definitely what we did not foresee innit.
Did you see that coming?
El-bent - Member
I think you'll find quite the opposite.The British are a pragmatic people and all the exit brigade have offered is some sort of utopia outside the EU which in reality amounts to nothing.
You are too deep into the utopia state hence it is very painful to wake up.
It's a bit like addicted to some synthetic drugs and it hurts when there is no more good times. You are too deep into the shite you think it's normal.
Ya, "we have never had it so good" ...
It's a bit like one of your pre-WWII PM that went to Germany to sign a piece of paper then come back to UK to talk up his achievement ... Ya, right. Your forefather or you lot nearly became someone else biatch didn't you/they whatever. 🙄
The EU referendum is about so much more than immigration or border controls. However the Schengen agreement and in particular its enormous expansion has been a major error in terms of security. Despite this the EU refuses to acknowledge this and do something about it. The EUs intention is to continue to expand it's reach.
Today 250 business leaders signend a letter saying we would be better off oitside the EU, that it would be better for business.
jambalaya - Member
Despite this the EU refuses to acknowledge this and do something about it. The EUs intention is to continue to expand it's reach.
They will never ever acknowledge because they need to maintain their ideology no matter how many suffer.
They rather people suffer than to admit the system is in turmoil coz the ZM bureaucratic elites are always the ones that want to free ride the masses ... that is their nature.
ZM Bureaucrats have too much to loose.
The other part is that you can't get into the UK without showing ID/Passport on entry so the state of things on the EU/UK borders will not change either way after the vote.
It will change totally. No automatic right to entry, no visa free entry from Turkey for a start. We can agree which countries will have visa free entry and who will not.
I do find it odd @mike give you live in Australia, a country with controlled immigration that you are arguing against the UK having the same
I do find it odd @mike give you live in Australia, a country with controlled immigration that you are arguing against the UK having the same
Why?
I find it hard to believe someone living abroad freely and easily due to eu freedom of movement is against it. That and many pages ago you were saying that the eu would just do some sort of deal to let brits move around.
mikewsmith - Member
Why?
I find it hard to believe someone living abroad freely and easily due to eu freedom of movement is against it. That and many pages ago you were saying that the eu would just do some sort of deal to let brits move around.
You lived in Ozland? Crikey.
You want Asia? I mean the entire Asia move to Ozland? You want?
I can guarantee you there will be no shortage of those wanting to join you. 🙄
JulianA - MemberChewkw is actually a prototype of Microsoft's AI bot and will hopefully be de-rezzed very soon.
Very, very, soon.
The reason you keep having to reply to my comments because you need to keep up your propaganda.
You cannot let it go because you know I make sense.
You do not agree because you cannot accept defeat.I think you lack the ability to comprehend the system you are in yet cannot accept the fact that alternative views are better than yours.
What makes you so sure that you are right and others are wrong?
Who told you that you are right?
Chewkw is actually a prototype of Microsoft's AI bot and will hopefully be de-rezzed very soon.Very, very, soon.
As far as I can tell, chewkw is only giving an opinion that the majority don't seem to agree with, whereas you are posting personal insults. And you're waiting for [i]chewkw[/i] to get banned? I think you need to take a step back and have a re-think.
got a letter this morning from Leave EU . they want money .
not sure where they got my details but as an immigrant myself I am quite glad they wasted a bit of their cash on the letter .
anyone else got a letter ? are they genuine ?
The Flying Ox - Member
Ya! 😀
cchris2lou - Membergot a letter this morning from Leave EU . they want money .
not sure where they got my details but as an immigrant myself I am quite glad they wasted a bit of their cash on the letter .
anyone else got a letter ? are they genuine ?
Nope. I have received nothing.
As an immigrant myself I Do Not want to compete with more immigrants as I am already competing with the locals.
Genuine or not you need to apply common sense.
Do you simply give money to people before you come to UK? 😛
The Chrome extension that lets you block users is a boon. It's just a shame that so many folk re-quote his nonsense.
scotroutes - MemberThe Chrome extension that lets you block users is a boon. It's just a shame that so many folk re-quote his nonsense.
No one has re-quoted me nor is there such thing as "so many folk re-quote ..."
Where? Where are the many folks you are referring to? 🙄
Where are my fan club? I demand to charge fan club fees! I charge! 😆
I am honoured if folks quote me coz they heard it from me first. 
@cchris - Leave put out a major mailing 1.5m households. If you read the letter it's about much more than asking for money. Remain don't need to ask for money as they are using EU/UK tax payers funds.
That and many pages ago you were saying that the eu would just do some sort of deal to let brits move around
Yes indeed they will, why do you think I've suggested they won't ? We'll have bilateral agreements with many countries and a visa / points system. Countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy and France will continue to welcome Brits spending their money in their countries on retirement homes etc
Blocking folk for having a different viewpoint? I find that rather small-minded. You may think there's a lot of chaff, but you'll miss the wheat too.
right then... I'm not very politically astute as you are all well aware..... But if we leave will we not be Greece within a decade?
If not... why not?
I don't think a forum where some folk can't even bear seeing words that put forward a different opinion, let alone read them and think about them, is the place to get your answers yunki. Unless you're after a bit of confirmation bias, in which case you'll be right at home.
Become Greece ? Really ? Greece became the Greece we see today [b]because[/b] it joined the EU/euro allowing it to borrow and spend to a dgeree it quite simply could not have done as an independent country. Although oets face it Corbyn would like us to emulate Greece. The EU is getting poorer with each new member being poorer than the last, not being tied to this downward spiral is economicly prudent. The EU is like a herd (?) of lemmings running towards a financial cliff edge, we can't isolate ourselves entirely (sadly) but we can distance ourselves and build stronger relationships elsewhere.
Blocking folk for having a different viewpoint? I find that rather small-minded. You may think there's a lot of chaff, but you'll miss the wheat too.
With chewkw? I doubt it, all the posts are just the same rearranged words spat out. The only novelty was in the daughter thread.
yunki - Memberright then... I'm not very politically astute as you are all well aware..... But if we leave will we not be Greece within a decade?
If not... why not?
Frame your question positively.
Why not ask a question like this:
"Can we be better than Germany or USA or China etc outside of EU?"
Yes, we can. 😆
mikewsmith - Member
With chewkw? I doubt it, all the posts are just the same rearranged words spat out.
Yes, because I do not twist or turn my words.
I like to keep them simple so nothing too complicate for my thinking.
You want to be complicated then you become one, I ain't becoming one like you coz I ain't you. Innit!
The only novelty was in the daughter thread.
Glad you enjoy that coz that is real.
Don't let it happen to you coz you might not know how to handle it ...
Remember I told you so and one day when you look back you will thank me.
chewkw
Can we be better than Germany or USA or China etc outside of EU?
Can we be a better country than those other countries?
We are a better country we are. Simples
I am sure we are, surely, innit!
athgray - Member
chewkw
Can we be better than Germany or USA or China etc outside of EU?
Can we be a better country than those other countries?We are a better country we are. Simples
I am sure we are, surely, innit.
I have a fan.
Have you submitted your fan club fee to me yet?
Please give me all your credit card details ... 😆
Yunki - in essence, we belong to one of the world's most important trade zones while keeping control of our currency and monetary policy. A good thing. Greece is also a member but joined the flawed common currency and a common monetary policy. A bad thing. Their ability to respond appropriately was severly constrained and the rest is history. The potted version.
We are in a uniquely strong position. We are a member of the trade zone, but has negotiated a very advantageous position including our rebate (note how often Brexit folk omit those details in their attempt to hoodwink the general public), our own currency and independence of monetary and fiscal policy. You could hardly design it better and yet there are people lining up to throw this all away. Pure madness.
teamhurtmore - Member
We are in a uniquely strong position. We are a member of the trade zone, but has negotiated a very advantageous position including our rebate (note how often Brexit folk omit those details in their attempt to hoodwink the general public), our own currency and independence of monetary and fiscal policy. You could hardly design it better and yet there are people lining up to throw this all away. Pure madness.
I hope you/we have not joined EU-SSR just to get a rebate coz if you/we do then we are heading for massive train crash. 😯
Why hasn't the stupid AI bot been banned yet?
JulianA - Member
Why hasn't the stupid AI bot been banned yet?
He is back!
He is back!
Run! 😯
Mods! Mods! The naughty boy is back! 😆
[b]Answer this:
Is bureaucratic system appropriate to govern nations?[/b]
Ya! What you say clever boy?
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Answer this:Is bureaucratic system appropriate to govern nations?
Do you mean the elected EU representatives?
In what way are they governing?
The UK signs up to treaties etc. via it's elected representative - the unelected bit is if the house of lords has to vote on it.
As usual your logic doesn't really work.
mikewsmith - Member
Answer this:
Is bureaucratic system appropriate to govern nations?
Do you mean the elected EU representatives?
In what way are they governing?
The UK signs up to treaties etc. via it's elected representative - the unelected bit is if the house of lords has to vote on it.As usual your logic doesn't really work.
The system of management. Ts! Ts! Ts! 🙄
Don't tell me you have a system that does not require management that is out of this world. 😯
Who are the management?
Ya, management!
Why are they the managers?
Have you tried it yet? You have not tried so how do you know it ain't working? You don't know do you?
If you really think we are going to be able to pull up the draw bridge, then you my friend are in cloud cuckoo land.....
I find it quite interesting that the two most vocal supporters of BREXIT on this thread don't actually live here...
Who dat ? Chewy's up in Newcastle or thereabouts. Jamba lives over here doesn't he (with a place in France?) ?
A vocal proponent of "remain" lives on the other side of the planet however 🙂
@br I live in the UK, Mrs B is from Paris so we spend a lot of time here. We have property in both places. Brexit doesn't mean any of that will change. Being in favour of Brexit does not mean you are a rabid nationalist or isolationist. I am bery much in favour of global trade and co-operation. I am against excessive focus on Europe and the political super-state project its become. My parents emmigrated to Oz in '60s before coming back and I've worled in Singapore and New York - all of this was controlled immigration - ie we made an application for a visa
A vocal proponent of "remain" lives on the other side of the planet however
Yep other side of the world but I'd hope to have something decent to return to. Also having a keen interest in politics and world affairs it's interesting to see the way recent events are being manipulated.
For many reasons I'd like to see a strong United Europe as part of the world, with the exception of the Trump ideology I can't think of many places clamouring for more bosders and more bureaucracy to deal with other nations.
Just like the Scottish referendum the out side are sticking to the belief that all the difficult issues will just be fine and you can have the best of both, something just doesn't silt right with that principle to me.
@Mike Remain have no more of a crystal ball to see the future than do Leave. Remain are making many vague assumptions not least that the so called "deal" Cameron has secured will be honoured.
I think the UK will be far better off out of the EU, thats one of the reasons I am campaigning for Leave
allthepies - MemberWho dat ? Chewy's up in Newcastle or thereabouts. Jamba lives over here doesn't he (with a place in France?) ?
A vocal proponent of "remain" lives on the other side of the planet however
Yeap, I live in GeordieLand a foreign country north of your southern foreign hipster London town.
Here we would deck you if you are less than 12 stones on a Saturday night out. 😆
mikewsmith - Member
Just like the Scottish referendum the out side are sticking to the belief that all the difficult issues will just be fine and you can have the best of both, something just doesn't silt right with that principle to me.
You don't try you don't know. Simple.
For example, if you don't go to Ozland how do you know there are plenty of gold nuggets to prosper from eh? If you remain in BritLand you will always wonder if there is such thing as picking gold nuggets from the ground in Ozland innit!
So, who are the non-UK resident BREXIT campaigners...
Perhaps br will enlighten us.
Jambalaya
Member
@br I live in the UK, Mrs B is from Paris so we spend a lot of time here. We have property in both places. Brexit doesn't mean any of that will change.
None of it will change [b]for you[/b]. For UK citizens who don't have the good fortune to be married to a French citizen, there is no certainty at all about what will happen.
konabunny - Member
For UK citizens who don't have the good fortune to be married to a French citizen, there is no certainty at all about what will happen.
Nahhh ... they just have to marry Geordie lass then be prepared to be decked and abused ... 😮