[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

edenvalleyboy - Member
Somebody call the vet , maybe even the RSPCA...there's some ponies around here that have been abused so much they're nearly dead.... circuses really should be banned....

Have you failed the drug test?
Are you high on hipster cool weed?

Anyone done this yet? With friends like these it's amazing there needs to be a remain campaign.

In a rare example of foresight the EU mandated flags to be fire retardant 8) IGMC

No you'll [b]probabky[/b] have 2-3 years before Article 50 is triggered giving you plenty of time to establish yourself elsewhere in the EU. At that point you can make an application to remain which [b]I'd wager[/b] will be granted [b]assumjng[/b] you have a job and a home and have learnt the language.

Well, that's got me convinced - almost the same as having the automatic right to live in the EU, yes?

DrJ, you'll make your own mind up I'm sure. I'm happy with my scenarios, there is no certainty of the future within the EU.

Euro rates cut to zero today, too late. EU has run out of ammunition, too much provarication since 2009. Even without a Greek default the eurozone is sliding back into recession something Credit Suisse predicts will lead to the end of the euro.

The Australian PM gave his views yesterday on the role the Schengen agreement and the broader issue of EU borders plays in European security

[i]The Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has criticised European security arrangements, arguing they were allowed to “slip” before Tuesday’s attacks in Belgium.

Turnbull had been asked whether an terrorist act similar to that in Brussels could occur in Australia. He told the ABC:

You cannot guarantee that there will be no terrorist incident.

But I can assure Australians that our security system, our border protection, our domestic security arrangements are much stronger than they are in Europe, where regrettably they allowed security to slip.

Turnbull said vulnerabilities in European security were “not unrelated to the problems they’ve been having in recent times”. And he singled out the Schengen agreement, saying:

People are able to freely travel across borders within Europe – that poses security challenges, coupled with clearly very porous external borders as we’ve seen plenty of evidence of that.

My point really was to say that those arrangements have security consequences.[/i]

The Australian PM [s] gave his views yesterday on the role the Schengen agreement and the broader issue of EU borders plays in European security[/s]

Meanwhile in western Sydney: an ongoing bikie war fought with a variety of firearms, including automatic weapons: http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-shooting-sparked-by-business-dispute-between-finks-bikie-and-a-group-of-brothers-20160307-gncvkd.html

The Australian PM gave his views yesterday on the role the Schengen agreement and the broader issue of EU borders plays in European security

What a crock. The Aussie experience of terrorism both foiled and actual shows that trying to link the dreadful events in Brussels with Brexit is desperate and frankly distasteful BS.

Still provides a good link to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-35878179

OzLand is also going to face the same problem in future because of the "boat" people they are getting with increase pressure from lefties die hard to let them in. You don't have to be a genius to understand freedom of movement coz with that you get ZM creeping in.

How many generations have they been here?

Diversity & integration?

Lefties' opinion ya right ... ya ...

... Obvious is obvious. 😆

I still think a Free Yorkshire (an it better be cheap) is the way forward.

Free Yorkshire

That's a hell of a lot of tea

You still get charged BritLand rip-off price though ... 😆

Taylors of course

He's not really talking about Australia is he, he is making a statement of the very obvious about Schengen.

Poland said today in light of the attacks in Brussels they would not be honouring their commitment to take their share of refugees. They would be taking zero. EU total shambles.

Off to watch the re-run of PMQ's then dig out the Corbyn thread 8)

You could try not to sound so pleased about these terrorist attacks jambalaya. I know you think it's a rare opportunity for you to actually be right about something but it's pretty distasteful...

He's not really talking about Australia is he, he is making a statement of the very obvious about Schengen.

Are you trying to convince yourself, or others? I can guarantee the others see it for what it really is.

Poland said today in light of the attacks in Brussels they would not be honouring their commitment to take their share of refugees.

Right wing government in keeping out the darkies shocker.

EU total shambles.

Prove it.

"Poland said today in light of the attacks in Brussels they would not be honouring their commitment to take their share of refugees."

Scumbags and parasites.

chewkw
OzLand is also going to face the same problem in future because of the "boat" people they are getting

My great uncle was a boat person a mere 60 years ago. Coaxed across from Scotland with the promise of a better life. Bloody immigrants. His offspring are fine though, because they are not Asian, and above eating rice with their hands thank goodness. 😉

athgray - Member
My great uncle was a boat person a mere 60 years ago. Coaxed across from Scotland with the promise of a better life. Bloody immigrants. His offspring are fine though, because they are not Asian, and above eating rice with their hands thank goodness.

In the far east we called the willing economy migrant as little piggy being sold abroad. (usually willing little piggy) 😆

The ones that you see now practically uproot their entire family to force others to feed them.

jambalaya - Member
He's not really talking about Australia is he, he is making a statement of the very obvious about Schengen.

I thank you for your keen interest in Australian politics, He is making a statement using Schengen for his own needs. He needs to appear strong on security and that stuff to keep a former PM with ambitions at bay.

As for Boat People in Oz it's a tiny number compared to any refugee crisis around the world and was turned into a massive political football by a cynical right wing opportunist leader/party who would say just about anything to get elected 😉

On a serious note most of the attackers in Paris were either French or Belgian nationals
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512
No amount of border checks would have stopped French Nationals travelling within France, considering they stopped, checked and waved on one of them post the attacks while they were looking for them Schengen is a tough one to blame there.
The Charlie Hebdo gunmen were all raised in Paris
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/12/-sp-charlie-hebdo-attackers-kids-france-radicalised-paris
How would tighter border controls have stopped that?
The July 7 Bombers in the UK travelled across many borders from Yorkshire to carry out their attacks.

mikewsmith - Member
As for Boat People in Oz it's a tiny number compared to any refugee crisis around the world and was turned into a massive political football by a cynical right wing opportunist leader/party who would say just about anything to get elected

On a serious note most of the attackers in Paris were either French or Belgian nationals

Precisely a problem that is created by "yourself/ourselves".

Ya, how many generations have they been here? Diversity? Integration?

What integration? They cannot even agree with your basic worldview ...

Diversity ... ya, you have just escalated the problem even more coz their heads are now become bigger and inflated.

Why not let things evolve naturally?

Ya, right ... that is precisely the problem. You now want to invite all of them over because they want to be fed?

As it is you have already inherited massive problems from within and yet you want to add on more troubles to your current situation?

If you have the guilt of fearing you might offend other minorities etc then why add on to more troubles by encouraging more immediate migrants? Aren't you just creating more trouble for yourself?

Chewkw you do come across a little strong quite a lot of the time.

Hopefully you will go the same way as TJ and FredPaddedBraDibnah sometime soon and leave the rest of us in peace...

JulianA - Member
Chewkw you do come across as a scummy little shit quite a lot of the time.

Hopefully you will go the same way as TJ and FredPaddedBraDibnah sometime soon and leave the rest of us in peace...

Crikey, the questions I posted above are the problems you lot are facing now are they not?

I have provided my logic for all to scrutinize and they are all my views. (ya, ya some of you think otherwise but assuming I have the logic okay 😆 )

I am Not swayed by your right or left wing perspective coz I have my own logic when it comes to viewing ZM world.

If you think I am wrong then by all means provide counter arguments. FFS! That's what we are here for aren't we?

As for "Diversity" and "Integration" ... Crikey you got to be obviously blind not to see that coming coz even the meaning of those words are contradictory. 😯

[b]edit:

Just noticed ninja editing by JulianA ... 😆

FFS! Be yourself and use whatever words you wish to describe me coz I will not get offended.

I promise I will not get offended and run to the mods. That's my guarantee. :P[/b]

edit edit:

I like TJ me ... 😆 He is the complete opposite to me.

A good bloke who could stand firm on his views. 😛

Same goes to FredPaddedBraDibnah.

Chewkw, please just do one, will you? Just go away.

And I think you will find that you are misquoting me...

JulianA - Member

Chewkw, please just do one, will you? Just go away.

And I think you will find that you are misquoting me...

Chill man! Chill! 😀

Hopefully you will go the same way as TJ and FredPaddedBraDibnah sometime soon and leave the rest of us in peace...

Keep up the good work Chewkw, as an immigrant myself I appreciate your contributions here.

It isn't about different opinions or where you come from, it's about the way you phrase it.

Chewkw has an amazing ability to come across as an imbecile most of the time.

and on the Turnbull speech

But Belgium's Ambassador to Australia Jean-Luc Bodson has cautioned against linking the issue with the deadly attacks in his homeland this week.

"It's dangerous [b]because it's precisely what ISIS wants[/b] — that we would make a confusion between terrorism and migrants and between terrorism and Islam," he said.

"My view is that the terrorists who committed the latest attacks and in Paris and in Belgium are European-raised and born. Maybe from foreign origins, but they are Europeans.

"So it has nothing to do with the refugee crisis and I think that is the main danger to assimilate that."

JulianA - Member
It isn't about different opinions or where you come from, it's about the way you phrase it.

Chewkw has an amazing ability to come across as an imbecile most of the time.

You still don't understand me?

Have you thought about what you had just said? 😆

I'm voting out, even if for no other reason than pissing off the nobheads who are trying to scare me into staying in.

I'm voting out, even if for no other reason than pissing off the nobheads who are trying to scare me into staying in.

Good to see people are taking such an important decision seriously. 🙄

And obviously fear-mongering has played no part in the exit campaign. 😕

And obviously fear-mongering has played no part in the exit campaign.

Can't say I've noticed that in my version of the news.

TBH its a foregone conclusion now, even those marginally pro Europe are often more anti immigration so will vote to leave, there also more likely to be the older people who will actually vote.

The scare mongers are just putting it beyond question with their obviously desperate BS.

I don't think anything is a foregone conclusion. It's hard enough to reliably predict the outcome of general elections, which is pretty much the same decision that's been made every three years for the last sixty years. Predicting the outcome of this one-off referendum will be even trickier.

@mike Incumbent European leaders have a huge vested interest in the status quo. Re-introducing full border checks does not "give in to ISIS" or "give them what they want". We can still have freedom of movement, visa free but with re-hiring all the border police. Schengen makes it much easier for the terrorists to move around, to be supplied with weapons and for new terrorists to join them. The Paris/Brussels attacks have clearly shown this.

At the outset I felt Leave was very much the outside chance outcome, however from what I have seen of the Remain campaign they have offered very little to date. All their key arguments around trade and security have been met with a robust defence with experts coming out on both Leave and Remain sides.

. Schengen makes it much easier for the terrorists to move around, to be supplied with weapons and for new terrorists to join them. The Paris/Brussels attacks have clearly shown this.

mikewsmith - Member

. Schengen makes it much easier for the terrorists to move around, to be supplied with weapons and for new terrorists to join them. The Paris/Brussels attacks have clearly shown this.

You do know the majority of the attackers from the last 2 Paris attacks were French or Belgian nationals don't you.

Ya ... that's why we don't want them here without being checked or simply being waved through because they are from EU. i.e. in fact everyone should be checked regardless of where they come from ...

🙄

The Charlie hebdo attackers were from Paris. The borders had nothing to do with them.
French police stopped one of the recent Paris attackers but let him go as they didn't know who he was. So please explain why the border arrangements would have stopped those things

mikewsmith - Member

The Charlie hebdo attackers were from Paris. The borders had nothing to do with them.
French police stopped one of the recent Paris attackers but let him go as they didn't know who he was. So please explain why the border arrangements would have stopped those things

Your point does not make sense.

Ya, now that we know there are already in amongnst us (since we are in EU) it's even more urgent that we get our boarders back to prevent them rooting here (move around). i.e. new ones coming to enhance the strength of their regional cells.

On the other hand, if we have our boarders back we would be able to contain them or at least give us the chance to do. It is our responsibility to contain them here to prevent them causing atrocities to our neighbours. i.e. not simply being waved through by other EU nations ...

Integration? Ya, right.

How many generations have they been rooted here and yet they still want to go out to murder the innocent people here?

French, Belgium, Germany whatever ... all EU citizens get in and out like everyone else through checks and not just simply wave through.

😯

Ya, now that we know there are already in amongnst us (since we are in EU) it's even more urgent that we get our boarders back to prevent them rooting here (move around). i.e. new ones coming to enhance the strength of their regional cells.

2 of the Paris attackers can via the current migrant routes.
Most of the weapons came from eastern Europe, driven straight across with no borders to concern the traffickers except with the outside chance of getting caught by traffic police.
Interesting article on this [url= http://time.com/how-europes-terrorists-get-their-guns/ ]here[/url].

Sadly, the actual issue of staying in or out of the EU and all the related matters that should be discussed look like being overshadowed by these events, and I expect many more to follow.

I no longer live in the UK but feedback from friends and relatives still there is that the coming vote is not just about Europe but about people getting a chance to show their thoughts on migration in general.

not just about Europe but about people getting a chance to show their thoughts on migration in general.

This, I'm probably quite typical of many leave voters- I quite like being in a union with our Western European neighbours and have no particular love for the Eton boys in Westminster.

However I dont like the large groups Bulgarians young males who seem to hang around most town centres now or the or trust some European countries not to give passports to migrants from some Asian cultures who's impact on the UK has IMO been very negative.

You may disagree and even think I'm racist but I suspect I'll be in the majority come the vote.

2 of the Paris attackers can via the current migrant routes.
Most of the weapons came from eastern Europe, driven straight across with no borders to concern the traffickers except with the outside chance of getting caught by traffic police.
Interesting article on this here.

Sadly, the actual issue of staying in or out of the EU and all the related matters that should be discussed look like being overshadowed by these events, and I expect many more to follow.

[img] [/img]

Its good to undertand how others see the issues but condescending insults don't help.