The circle jerk of negativity continues at pace I see. Take all good news and mix with bile until you are consumed with bitterness.
All tiresomely predicable, molgrips you wonder why there is no discussion ?
All tiresomely predicable, molgrips you wonder why there is no discussion ?
If you can't discuss something without most people taking up a contrary position - doesn't that tell you something? That you might actually be wrong?
We WANT a discussion. We really do. You (and the Tories) aren't giving us one!
Are you seriously trying to pass off the fact we have paid Nissan to continue doing what they already were to compensate for Brexit as a positive?
The circle jerk of negativity continues at pace I see. Take all good news and mix with bile until you are consumed with bitterness.All tiresomely predicable, molgrips you wonder why there is no discussion ?
Should we 'just rejoice' instead Jammers
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What good news Jamba? Go on - one single piece of good news from this shambles
* Puts kettle on and settles down to wait for the good news.
Whats scares me now is the realisation that maybe this isn't a shambles at all. They just want it to look like that. Maybe they know exactly what they're doing. As Milton Friedmans doctrine dictated - never waste a good crisis.
Thats why we're not being told anything about the backroom deals being done. It shows your where the priorities are when bankers and big business are being reassured (all behind closed doors) while the public, and parliament, is being told nothing at all.
I suspect that the reassurances being made regard that pesky 'red tape'. I think that what they're being told is "you know all that EU stuff - workers rights? Environmental controls? Health and safety? Regulation of any sort? Yeah, well you won't need to be worrying about all that shit for too much longer. Trust us"
They've taken back control alright.
good news....well
UKIP have imploded
Cameron is disgraced (tho replaced by more of the same tbh)
The Lib Dems have seen a path out of the darkness
I think more foreign tourists are visiting and spending (tho more foreigners obvs contra to to the will of the people)
Im sure there is some real genuine good news???
why there is no discussion ?
Perhaps it's because Brexit supporters & the goons in charge have a reputation for dishonesty, BS & obfuscation??
I'd happily have a discussion but it's very difficult to do so when the other side is less than honest.......
For a start, when one side makes a claim e.g. £350m a week on the NHS.....which is then disowned like a fart in a lift as soon as the stink hits the nostrils!
Im sure there is some real genuine good news???
We used to be annoyed when people passed of a 5c euro coin as a penny.
Now we can live like kings on one.
The circle jerk of negativity continues at pace I see. Take all good news and mix with bile until you are consumed with bitterness.
'da****?
[quote=binners ]Whats scares me now is the realisation that maybe this isn't a shambles at all. They just want it to look like that. Maybe they know exactly what they're doing. As Milton Friedmans doctrine dictated - never waste a good crisis.
Thats why we're not being told anything about the backroom deals being done. Shows your where the priorities are when bankers and big business is being reassured (all behind closed doors) while the public, and parliament, is being told nothing at all.
I suspect that the reassurances being made regard that pesky 'red tape'. I think that what they're being told is "you know all that EU stuff - workers rights? Environmental controls? Health and safety? Regulation of any sort? Yeah, well you won't need to be worrying about all that shit for too much longer. Trust us"
I want to set our party and our country on the path towards the new centre ground of British politics…built on the values of fairness and opportunity…[b]where everyone plays by the same rules[/b]
It was about a sense – deep, profound and let’s face it often justified – that [b]many people have today that the world works well for a privileged few, but not for them[/b].
[b]An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…[/b]
A plan that will mean government stepping up. Righting wrongs. [b]Challenging vested interests.[/b] Taking big decisions. Doing what we believe to be right. Getting the job done.
etc etc
Lying, evil, two-faced, self serving, elitist arseholes
Why are you lot so negative?
Things have never been better for all of us including me.
Be happy and let's work together.
Let it go, let it go or you will just consume yourself with heartburn.
I suspect we will find out what the deal was at somepoint as the EU will investigate incase we have broken the rules on state aid, and the WTO investigate incase we have broken the rules on 'dumping'.
Unless we are planning on not even using the WTO trade agreement as well now.
Why are you lot so negative?Things have never been better for all of us including me.
Be happy and let's work together.
Let it go, let it go or you will just consume yourself with heartburn.
Chewkw earlier:
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richc - Member
I suspect we will find out what the deal was at somepoint as the EU will investigate incase we have broken the rules on state aid, and the WTO investigate incase we have broken the rules on 'dumping'.Unless we are planning on not even using the WTO trade agreement as well now.
Let them do whatever they want rather than waiting for you lot to spin.
richc - Member
Chewkw earlier:
I don't even know what the pic is about. Honest.
Is that a treatment or some experiment?
Why are you lot so negative?
Because I can see loads of huge problems piling up for us, as can many others.
Your own positivity in the face of everyone else's serious concern should indicate that we all might have a point.
It would not surprise me at all if the lack of detail is related to "state aid" questions
Portes makes interesting reading
http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/nissan-brexit-and-industrial-strategy#.WBMlgyjSybC
Jambas - two v simple questions posed
1. Why is "paying" Nissan to do something it was already doing positive?
2. Why would they be happy with profits earned being 15% or so less in their reporting currency?
two equally simple answers......?
from passporting to equivalence - a third question. How do you spin that as a positive for financial services?
I don't even know what the pic is about. Honest.
Is that a treatment or some experiment?
It's a guy having a labotomy I think 😯
The circle jerk of negativity continues at pace I see. Take all good news and mix with bile until you are consumed with bitterness.
I'm so disappointed. Came here to read your latest rediculous lies and all we get is this??
Please don't give up Jambalaya. Not on a Friday. The rest of the day is going to drag without your comedic input.
What good news Jamba? Go on - one single piece of good news from this shambles
One single piece of good news among the BS?
My investments have had a great run as a result. Overly exposed to FTSE 100 (phew) and high divi stocks. An unexpected surprise. Mrs THM even took some money off the table >7000. She trades well!!
the positive news is that the Mittys have done rather well out of all this
Some of your work is just brilliant trollingThe circle jerk of negativity continues at pace I see. Take all good news and mix with bile until you are consumed with bitterness.All tiresomely predicable, molgrips you wonder why there is no discussion ?
Unfortunately the debate cannot happen as we have facts and you have baseless [politically motivated] positivity
or in your words
The circle jerk of [s]negativ[/s]positivity continues at pace I see. Take all good news and mix with hope until you are consumed with [s]bitterness[/s] unbridled joy.
you really cannot debate with folk who speak in such ****ing ludicrous childish terms
Let the grown ups have an actual chat based on facts not wishful thinking
Even with the news that Nissan will single handedly save the uk the arse drops out of the economy even more.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/28/ftse-100-slides-and-pound-stuck-below-122-as-uk-consumers-fear-p/&ved=0ahUKEwi805X5rf3PAhXjHJoKHXTMCjgQFgg_MAs&usg=AFQjCNHNSi-kpUgU5M5jUY6a1YDSPILSLA&sig2=kv71jqSIdOjFCEHNRatMPg
I wonder if jamba is feeling bregret now that his next mac is going to cost a few hundred more....?
Nissan aren't being paid to do something they already were doing. Those models could have gone to another plant in Europe.
They had to make a decision ASAP as to where it goes so they can get started to ensure its released into the market before the current models get so outdated they get overtaken by rivals and stop selling.
I would hope if any other major company had such a decision to make in such a timeframe then they could also approach the government and get a similar assurance.
"assurance" - cough
381 pages?
Shit the bed, is this the longest thread ever?
are you Tracey Emin?
I would hope if any other major company had such a decision to make in such a timeframe then they could also approach the government and get a similar assurance.
What assurances though ?
According to Reuters:
Britain has given Nissan a written commitment of extra support in the event that Brexit reduces the competitiveness of its Sunderland plant, in return for new production investments by the Japanese carmaker, a source with knowledge of the matter told Reuters. In addition to unconditional investment aid, Britain pledged in a letter to offer further relief if the terms of Britain's European Union exit ended up harming the plant's performance, the source said.
these kind ?
so will other industries be subsidised by the taxpayer too
pharma?
aerospace?
can I get a subsisdised macbook at a pre-referndum price ?
[quote=kimbers ]so will other industries be subsidised by the taxpayer too
pharma?
aerospace?
can I get a subsisdised macbook at a pre-referndum price ?
If passporting is lost then I'm out of a job so I'll be hoping we add the insurance industry to the list of government supported industries
I'm in, whens the vote?
the re-run is in 2019, 😉
After three....And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen ........ etc.
[i]Things have never been better for all of us including me.[/I]
Yes, and you want to throw that all away for Brexit?
So the tories are throwing away any pretence of the market when it comes to private companies but are still intent on shafting the NHS.
Can someone say if this is realistic, US numbers are good, and if clintin wins both are pro US dollar. If the US economy looks good interest rates rise there making the currency stronger. Would this then force the pound lower in the absvence of good UK news? NB abscence of good news rather than bad news.
Next obvious issue is the outcomes of French and German elections next year but they are a long way off so for now I am guessing have very little impact on euro gbp?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/28/tony-blair-remain-voters-to-mobilise-against-brexit
Bring back the Blair 😀
Blair, a critic of the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, said he did not support the creation of a new political party but he hinted in a recent interview with GQ that he could be ready for a return to politics.
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Apple's ageing Mac Pro now costs £500 more than it did a week ago
Morrisons raises Marmite price by 12.5%
this is going to get expensive.
Yes but a Nissan's going to cheaper because of Jambernomics.
yay pink convertible micras for all.
I'm just looking forward to the return of Blair, bring on the illegal wars and Britpop please!
At least the times were a bit rock n roll!
Captain I didn't say a Nissan was going to be cheaper in the UK (contrary is true) I said a Nissan sold in Europe was going to be more profitable.
Kimbers I buy a new Mac once every 7 years at current rate of consumption and a new iPhone/iPad every 3-4 so cost change is small, hardly noticable. Last bought a car in 2007, expecting next car to be used possibly at a higher price as prices rise
Jambas since you around I refer back to my earlier questions. This is the note from Nissan's most recent accounts
The Group’s finished cars, are produced in 20 countries and regions, and are sold in more than 170 countries. The Group’s procurement activities for raw materials, parts/components and services are conducted in many countries. [b]As the consolidated financial statements of the Group are calculated and presented in Japanese yen, the appreciation of the yen against other currencies adversely affects Group’s financial results of operations,[/b] in general. In contrast, the depreciation of the yen against other currencies favorably affects Group’s financial results of operations.