I thoroughly enjoyed typing it binners, along with my EU elite tag earlier. We had an explicit clear Referendum question, the result of which the Opposition accepted and Corbyn said should be acted upon immediately wrt Article 50
By the way on May's remarks she said companies [b]may[/b] leave the UK in the event if Brexit. Of course they may leave if we stay. It's such a catch-all word
Well they are not changing are they, they are retroactively and temporarily "approving" the illegal behaviour of member states
They previously had one rule now they have a different rule. How is that not changing?
As an aside, currently having some protracted negotiation and planning with regards a Swiss work permit, needed for working for the Swiss branch of my employer. It costs money apparently and takes either 4-6 weeks or 2 weeks depending on which type of permit I go for. And for the 2 week one I have to state the exact days I am going to be there. Problem is, we don't know and we were planning to simply travel as needed. So we will have to commit to travel when we might not want to when the time comes. It's very inflexible.
Compared to when I went to EU countries when I simply had to book tickets, it's a major project ballache. This is what 'control' looks like and it's a bit shit. n It doesn't help our economy, it hinders it.
Apparently (according to the mp on r4) EU companies who use british made components in their supply chain will be unable to export out of the EU If we leave the EU (Hard Brexit that is).
Formally recognising that the Schengen system can't cope
Not sure the architects of the Schengen system ever envisioned 1,000,000 people fleeing for their lives.
Stop talking utter rubbish Jamba
Could well be MrMo as that's the list of coubtries - the wife saw it reported yesterday hence my post. I am aware the French suspended Shengen post Charlie Ebdo / Hyper Kacher 18 months ago and have since extended the suspension a number of times.
Well they are not changing are they
jambafact or what
of course the EU changes and evolves, just another BSer myth
heres 100 amendments from the last month or so of EU legislation changes
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/amendments.html
@Pigface two things, well they should have considered it (in my view they did hence the Dublin agreement which has been ignored) and secondly a very large portion (the majority in my view) are not fleeing for their lives. Germany has said Afghanistan is safe for example
But it was announced a while ago. Nothing new, circumstances always cause change. All brexit will do is create new opportunities smuggling of people and goods and associated losses and costs for policing
a very large portion (the majority in my view) are not fleeing for their lives.
Interesting you bring that up...
[i]Apparently (according to the mp on r4) EU companies who use british made components in their supply chain will be unable to export out of the EU If we leave the EU (Hard Brexit that is). [/I]
Eh? That doesn't make sense, nor is it enforceable really.
the majority in my view
Means diddly squat
The Dublin agreement: again would of been swamped by the sheer numbers. the numbers of displaced people is unprecedented.
If you think Afghanistan is safe then please go be a tourist there.
Germany has said Afghanistan is safe for example
Yep...looks safe to me too. I was thinking of booking a holiday there next year
Hence her not wanting any parliamentary debate on Brexit, and certainly no vote.
Apart from the fact the Government has not only confirmed the former will happen and then made good on it with 7 hours of time in the Commons spent debating Brexit the week before last and no doubt many hundreds of hours still to come.
Not willingly though, was it - she didn't [i]want[/i] to.
Apparently (according to the mp on r4) EU companies who use british made components in their supply chain will be unable to export out of the EU If we leave the EU (Hard Brexit that is).Eh? That doesn't make sense, nor is it enforceable really.
Its all about the trade and customs compliance....
I would imagine it would only matter for a limited number of products but you need to list all of the suppliers locations and end users... It is all thoroughly dull but if you withdraw from a system and do not re-establish your position at the same time you will not be in compliance so the system will reject your export...
I would doubt this would happen as we are not on the fringes of the system as it stands now but it is just another thing to crush the soul of your logistics people...
I wonder how many things will go completely tits up when companies simply edit the list of EU countries in their systems to exclude the UK, and they'll get access denied all over the place.
In fact, I wonder how many systems will need to be re-worked to implement new processes both in the UK and rEU? Could be interesting from a professional point of view for me.
I would imagine it would only matter for a limited number of products but you need to list all of the suppliers locations and end users.
Care to name some?
Wouldn't that include anything with encryption technology or has the law changed recently?
As import/export licenses were a nightmare for tech companies shipping outside the EU and wanted to deal with the US as encryption is covered by the same laws as munitions so if you **** it up and you didn't follow company processes you go to jail and if the processes were wrong the compliance officer goes to jail.
Could be interesting from a professional point of view for me.
So that's your job secure for the next decade. 😀
Care to name some?
As a quick example anything that is considered dual use. So Military and other. Anything which can be used in Nuclear applications and a number of communications types. If a semiconductor is manufactured in the UK them placed in electronics in the EU then this could be an issue. For example mobile telephones are classed as transmitters in some countries so have restrictions on import and export and these can be due to their own restrictions as well as restrictions imposed by the component manufacturing countries..
Now we also talk about export as a concept. This does not need to be a physical product but can also be a conversation/email etc. So if I am in a meeting in the UK with someone from France I am exporting the content of that meeting to a French national even if they work in the UK.
It is a depressing reality....
As a quick example anything that is considered dual use
Which is covered by the waasenaar arrangement - something we signed up to as a nation and not as part of the EU.
If a semiconductor is manufactured in the UK them placed in electronics in the EU then this could be an issue
And you need to consider things like the de minimis rule when working out who the end user is so that often the export trail stops somewhat short of the actual end user.
Export control doesn't give a damn about the EU. As you highlight, if I discuss controlled technology with a french national then I require an export licence (usually the OGEL). That has nothing to do with the EU and it won't change as a result of Brexit.
[list] french national then I require an export licence (usually the OGEL). That has nothing to do with the EU and it won't change as a result of Brexit
Is it an export licence to the EU or to France?
Fair play. Was the only reason I could see why we could have any issues as expressed by the MP on R4. Must be something else then..
I would say that my Recusal status is defined as EU person (UK Origin) and US person (workplace) and there is no differential by nationality within the EU. I am guessing this will have to be changed in the future though..
Its all about the trade and customs compliance....I would imagine it would only matter for a limited number of products but you need to list all of the suppliers locations and end users... It is all thoroughly dull but if you withdraw from a system and do not re-establish your position at the same time you will not be in compliance so the system will reject your export...
I would doubt this would happen as we are not on the fringes of the system as it stands now but it is just another thing to crush the soul of your logistics people...
the point the MP was making is that say if you are a german exporter with the option of where to source your parts with say 18 month lead in time, it would be remiss of you not to consider your product may become ineligible for export due to Brexit even with a favourable pound position things may get tough for some manufacturing with the government non position.
As trade deals could always be subject to the whim of Westminster (no deal is guaranteed forever) this would be a potential problem for manufacturing no matter what the current government position.
sounds a bit crap really...
Awesome glass not just half full but truly overflowing with milk and honey optimism from the Telegraph: [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/the-surprising-destinations-where-your-pound-will-go-further/ ]Holiday destinations where the pound is still strong[/url]
Let's all go on holiday to Venezuela! It's only undergoing a little bit of social collapse. Or perhaps Nigeria? The opportunities abound!
But but but Liam Fox told us that they'd start working on the a trade deal early ?!
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-liam-fox-eu-australia-trade-deals-2016-10
How will he justify all the trips he's booked to Sydney over the winter, now?
So what countries have slapped down Fox's offers of trade negotiations early
USA
Canada
Norway
Australia
27 EU countries(I think maybe Hungary were up for it)
What others have I missed ?
Any one might think he was completely out of his depth and all his ideas were based on archaic notions of trade from the Victorian era reimagined as a Brexit fantasy
As time goes by, The Thick Of It looks less like a comedy and more like a documentary 🙁
Best part of that article, the wishes of the Australian to include access to the UK for Its workers, which means more immigration in the UK.
Think a lot of people have failed to realise that the rest of the world may request freedom of movement as part of a trade deal - you really can't make this s**t up!
Doh.....
Think a lot of people have failed to realise that the rest of the world may request freedom of movement as part of a trade deal - you really can't make this s**t up!
I've been banging on about it… especially as regards India… they (rightly) want to be able to use some of their key people in their European wings without constantly begging governments for restrictive visas. People are key in trade deals… how can companies work across borders without their staff? Businesses ARE people… more and more.
Liam "they need us more than we need them" Fox now saying we need to get a deal with the EU without getting governments of EU states involved, as some might block a deal.
Clueless.
What I want to know is why Belgium is able to ask its parliament whether they shouldve signed CETA
and why our great beacon of democracy wasnt...
Fox apologised for not allowing a parliamentary debate before agreeing the EU treaty with Canada, but said the deal was worth a potential £1.3bn a year to Britain.“I’m sorry the timescales meant it wasn’t possible to have a debate … For the UK to have been seen as in any way blocking [the deal] would have left us in a very difficult position regarding [EU] member states, and of course Canada.”
So negative you lot.... Its going to be fine. Jambalaya told me. 🙂
[i]Liam "they need us more than we need them" Fox now saying we need to get a deal with the EU without getting governments of EU states involved, as some might block a deal.[/i]
Would that not include the UK too 🙂
Liam Fox really is an utter *-wit, isn't he?
I think it's absolutely terrifying that someone as obviously *ing clueless as that has been tasked with the most important negotiations in our recent history
It's a good job the other two are intellectual heavyweights.
Oh... wait.... hang on a minute....
I'm thinking of the Malcolm Tucker quote....
"Oh... Laurel and ****ing Hardy? Nice of you to join us. Did you get the piano up the stairs ok?"
[quote=fourbanger ]So negative you lot.... Its going to be fine. Jambalaya told me.
#jambafact
Maybe Mark Carney could do the negotiations...
I love Liam Fox saying that playing hardball is putting politics (ideology) above prosperity.
"O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us! "
R Burns
Kimbers my friends in Sweden said "It's like Britain just failed an exam"
"It's like Britain just failed an exam"
😀
I am in the process of re-reading the Restaurant at the End of the Universe at the moment and the results of the referendum and the consequences almost seem on a par with and as absurd as something from a Douglas Adams plot. Possibly the Brexit camp have something like Frogstar World B in mind as a plan for a way forward - shoes anyone.
The economic conditions of Frogstar B could be said to be remarkably similar to that of the planet Brontitall, but this only goes to show just how common its tragic fate is in the Galaxy.Frogstar World B was once a happy, prosperous planet, which was plunged into poverty and despair by a tragic economic phenomenon known as the Shoe Event Horizon, the details of which are as follows:
Even though this planet was, indeed, happy and prosperous, it could be said to have had just a little too many shoe shops. Its poor, fashion-crazed and economically ignorant citizens bought these shoes, gradually coming to buy more, and more, and more, until the shoe companies saw and seized their opportunity, and began to build more shoe shops.
The increase of these shoe shops encouraged people to buy more shoes, which made the shoe companies richer, which manufactured more shoes, and at a lower quality, which made people buy more shoes, etc..
Eventually, it became economically untenable to sell anything other than shoes. Frogstar B spiralled into a state of inexorable economic collapse. Most of the planet died out, and the more genetically unstable of the population evolved into bird-creatures.
This phenomenon is claimed by the Dalmon-Saxlil Shoe Corporation to have been caused by a device they call a "Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray", but this is a lie. All that they needed to do was wait a bit.
[url= http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/26/uk-will-have-84000000000-black-hole-fuelled-by-brexit-6215662/ ]reported yesterday[/url] looking on the bright side though borrowing is pretty cheap at the moment.
Good news.
Deutsche Bank have turned around from that €6bn loss and are (just) back in profit.
#JambaSaysBeHappy