[quote=binners ]Jammers darling.... you asked earlier in the thread how we could be this nasty, petty, small-minded insular little island (that I maintain we've now become) if we have the largest foreign aid budget of EU countries*. My reply to you was "...and how long do you think that's going to last with this shower of little englander ****s at the helm?"
Well.... we now know. Guess what the government are doing today while the media are all concentrated on the Heathrow decision?
Go on.... go out on a limb and take a wild stab in the dark about what they're proposing to do today? Its just been on Five Live. Go on.... think of the most entirely predictable thing that the present Nasty Party, and their tribe of gleeful triumphalist bigots have their eyes on....?
Would anyone else care to chance their arm on a prediction?
* But then they take refugees in. We don't.
Ah. Priti Patel. She's a delight. Her hero is Thatcher. The same Priti Patel who was paid £165 an hour by British American Tobacco to limit the PR damage caused by them paying Burmese factory workers £15 A MONTH.
Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and England are not "[i]fully independent separate sovereign[/i] countries", because our [i]kingdoms[/i] are [i]united[/i].
But I think most of us who live here (including official government agencies) are quite comfortable with the idea that they are still "countries".
As [url= https://www.britannica.com/place/Scotland ]Encyclopædia Britannica notes[/url]:
Scotland's relations with England, with which it was merged in 1707 to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain, have long been difficult. Although profoundly influenced by the English, Scotland has long refused to consider itself as anything other than a separate country
(it goes on to use the word "country" repeatedly throughout the article).
I realise of course that you cannot acknowledge this as you'd then have to recognise that the Act of Union 1707 establishes a Free Trade Area and Freedom of Movement between the countries involved - and we all know what a terrible idea that is.
Are they the same shower who increased the aid budget? Or was that a different shower?
It was Dave who did that. Dave and his despised metropolitan, Notting hill set. You not up to speed with the new "Year Zero' agenda yet? Thats all ancient history now. That was pre-referendum politics.
We've Taken Back Control. Did you not hear?
The aid budget will be shortly disappearing into the same thin air as the promised £350 million a week for the NHS. Be grateful for what you've had already, godless brown people
[quote=binners ]It was Dave who did that. Dave and his despised metropolitan, Notting hill set.
Anybody feeling nostalgic for CMD yet?
who?
*But has a childish (admittedly) chuckle at the aforementioned facebook page. Thanks for that.
I didn't realise there was a facebook page. The posters on that scare me every bit as much as the our Nic-who-art-in-heaven crowd.
Wee nippy facebook v WoS. A no-score draw (no comments about goalkeepers necessary)
[i had to look up wee nippy myself 😉 ]
Jamba - did you actually mean this? "From what I have read above Microsoft is taking the p.ss
Brexit provides us with an opportunity to insist such services are provided inside the UK or as a minimum are subject for example to non-refundable VAT. Hence providing an incentive to favour UK based services" ? Microsoft are free to take the p*ss as our world more or less runs on their stuff so Any excuse they will lift prices (it's a monopoly basically) and I would really like to see you dictate terms to MS - they could double their prices tomorrow and we would still pay.
Any excuse they will lift prices (it's a monopoly basically)
Not in that area it's not. There's Amazon, Google (I think), IBM for starters.
Oracle are even jumping back in...
Oracle are even jumping back in...
Ahh, Oracle software... one hundred thousand angry customers can't be wrong.
I know surprised me too
[url= https://www.ft.com/content/835909ee-9aad-11e6-8f9b-70e3cabccfae ]https://www.ft.com/content/835909ee-9aad-11e6-8f9b-70e3cabccfae[/url]
time for some more good news i think.
Sorry, but why is that good news?
Mmmm Oracle 10 operating system - now there is true evil, next it will be SAP Spreadsheets. Oh they will simply hike prices in line with MS easy margin no casualties.
I don't really understand these price hikes and layoffs; Jambo says he's studied this and everything is going to peachy... are all these CEO's stupid or something 🙂
THM, er we are taking back control???
And I hate astras! I really hate astras.
More seriously I worked up the road at shotton for 6 months a few years ago, the area really got screwed over when the steel works went, still recovering. Now rip GM out of Ellesmere Port and see how it will destroy the region some more.
If the model replacement relies on export, what would you do if you have no idea about the tariffs you face?
If there is no more EU will Scotland still want independence?
I realise of course that you cannot acknowledge this as you'd then have to recognise that the Act of Union 1707 establishes a Free Trade Area and Freedom of Movement between the countries involved - and we all know what a terrible idea that is.
It was coupled with full currency and political union
And obviously everyone thought it was a great idea and there was no unrest etc
If there is no more EU will Scotland still want independence?
Well, if that happens, and we all feel the economic shock of it, and it is the English that are seen as those that brought the whole house of cards down around us all, I expect those North of the border to be _______ angry enough to want to get away from us, yes.
Well, if that happens, and we all feel the economic shock of it, and it is the English that are seen as those that brought the whole house of cards down around us all, I expect those North of the border to be _______ angry enough to want to get away from us, yes.
Brexit will get blamed as it suits the SNP, the reality is that the seeds of any EU failure were sowed in the bailout of Greece
Yes, yes, they will be angry but being angry will not feed the people so what do they have as contingency plan?kelvin - Member
Well, if that happens, and we all feel the economic shock of it, and it is the English that are seen as those that brought the whole house of cards down around us all, I expect those North of the border to be _______ angry enough to want to get away from us, yes.If there is no more EU will Scotland still want independence
Like it or not the EU system will collapse in this generation if not in the next generation. It is Not a matter of if but when.
big_n_daft - Member
Brexit will get blamed as it suits the SNP, the reality is that the seeds of any EU failure were sowed in the bailout of Greece
Yes, that's normal for SNP to blame UK if they suffer as a result of whatever the future is install for them.
It would be nice to ask Sturgeon for a contingency plan in the event that they are out of UK and there is no EU.
Edit: there really is no point in engaging with some people.
Yes, Chew and Jam are not actually engaging the debate, they are just trying to assert their point of view through force, not through constructive argument.
And that's not intended as a personal attack - I wish they were engaging, I'd love a proper debate and I hold nothing against either of them.
If I was sturgeon, I'd be looking to leave the UK, keep the pound, and stay in the EU on the same terms the UK currently have. I don't think that's an outrageous angle..then if the merde hits the fan in england or the eu, they can either adopt the euro currency or if the EU goes south, keep the pound.
Uk government has demonstrated quite comprehensively that they are a bunch of self serving double talking fantacists with no real plan.
At least the scotts have options..Meanwhile in little england,we are far too busy biting are noses off to spite our faces.
kelvin - Member
Edit: there really is no point in engaging with some people.
I agree with you that they will be very angry which make them even more eager to get away from the UK etc.
But do they have other plan(s) if thing (EU) goes pear shape? i.e. contingency. You have to bear in mind they do not have their own currency and that their economy is rather small. No UK and no EU means they are in no people land.
You might say nothing will change with EU but things are already changing as we are Brexiting, so in a way EU is at the beginning of the end.
1 that's not an option
2 that wouldn't be in the best interests of the Scottish people
Otherwise, carry on....
Sturgeon is bluffing along those lines too...
More discussion of how interconnectedness of our trade networks, in this case NI & Ireland
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/brexit-could-ruin-irelands-food-industry-bruton-and-ahern-tell-lords
Ahern pointed out that the Tesco supermarket chain took 60% of its cheese and 84% of its chicken from Ireland. The two-way trade of milk is worth £1.5bn per year.He said: “The inter-relationships are enormous. Tariffs could cripple a huge amount of the food industry; the bureaucracy would be enormous – the amount of people involved, the add-on costs of running that kind of system. My concern is people would start going elsewhere for markets and it would really work totally against the entire industry and that would be a huge loss.
teamhurtmore - Member
1 that's not an option
2 that wouldn't be in the best interests of the Scottish people
Agree.
Otherwise, carry on....Sturgeon is bluffing along those lines too...
So far she seems determine ...
If I was sturgeon, I'd be looking to leave the UK and stay in the EU on the same terms the UK currently have.
Are they the terms negotiated by the
whoUk government
?????are a bunch of self serving double talking fantacists with no real plan.
Some good news
and more
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1477429509 ]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1477429509[/url]
quite how this squares with the 3 brexiters,
mrmo - Member
and morequite how this squares with the 3 brexiters,
The Guardian newspaper is really going into full swing dramatic mode isn't it.
At least one of them was saying the same thing at that time 😉
The Guardian newspaper is really going into full swing dramatic mode isn't it.
You find this dramatic? There are 373 pages of people saying basically the same thing. Has this come as a surprise to you?
Well, I think this definitely constitutes plot thickening, don't you?
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No big surprises there.
We already know that before the refendum May:
1) thought there was a strong economic case for staying in EU
2) stated that staying in EU was in our interests in terms of security
3) suggested that she did not approve of current freedoms of movement
So, if we're leaving, and she said we shouldn't, then the only benefit she thinks we can gain is to reduce freedom of movement, so of course her priority is immigration. And she knows that we will pay economically. And she expects to get full approval from the people whose votes she needs in future.
Doubt she'll be embarrassed in the slightest by that tape… she is not one of those that believed, or stated, that there would be a economic benefit from leaving the EU.
Fourbanger - you don't think he actually a) read any of that 373 pages, or b) believes what he says.
Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it.
Remember "making a success of Brexit", in May's terms, still does not claim we will better off then we would have been inside the EU.
Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it.
The people have had enough of the failed brexit experiment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scotlands independence bid to stay in the EU in light of Brexit is a bit of a no brainer- even the most basic of business graduates can identify the market opportunity-
English speaking
Great golf
Make your own corporate tax rate
Great whiskey
Its not France
Loads of cheap office space
Lots of cheap labour
Cheap cost of living
Low population density
Not rocket science
Think Ireland with better airports
And that's not intended as a personal attack - I wish they were engaging, I'd love a proper debate and I hold nothing against either of th
We are not the ones engaging in perpetual personal attacks are we ? Not saying you are but the abuse is there so why would you expect anything else ?
I have made my points that real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong moaning headlines mean £££ clickbait ad revenue. Yup pros and cons of £ weakness, we spoke of inflationary impact right back in June but with inflation far below the BoE target of 2% there is room there. As for layoffs Brexit is a great excuse.
Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it.
The most wishful of wishful thinking on Brexit. I will repeat again post the Austrian/French/Dutch and German elections Europe will look very different I suspect. Then we have Greece and the eurozone debt crises. Trying to map the future is very unclear. What is certain is that when the EU and eurozone implodes it will be Brexit's fault according to the EU elite
jambalaya - MemberWe are not the ones engaging in perpetual personal attacks are we ? Not saying you are but the abuse is there so why would you expect anything else ?
Well, apart from your instant labeling of anybody who doesn't agree with your views on the Labour part as a racist ant-Semite (see Northwind, Junkyard for example) You also are prone to commit terminological inexactitudes so often that there are £350 million reasons why you cannot complain when people call you on it or carry out "perpetual personal attacks" as you term it.
I have made my points that real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong moaning headlines mean £££ clickbait ad revenue. Yup pros and cons of £ weakness, we spoke of inflationary impact right back in June but with inflation far below the BoE target of 2% there is room there. As for layoffs Brexit is a great excuse."Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it."
The most wishful of wishful thinking on Brexit. I will repeat again post the Austrian/French/Dutch and German elections Europe will look very different I suspect. Then we have Greece and the eurozone debt crises. Trying to map the future is very unclear. What is certain is that when the EU and eurozone implodes it will be Brexit's fault according to the EU elite
I'm not saying the EU won't suffer; I'm saying we will. And wishful thinking is wishing we'd never started this nonsense in the first place, not hoping that people will come to their senses now.
real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong
Well companies that are looking at higher output cutting staff is interesting, unless they believe this is the calm before the storm, so let's cast our net around shall we.
Trade gap rising against a £ that has fallen 25-30% (as I recall) since the intention to have the right referendum was announced - not good. A weak pound is meant to help with the trade gap isn't it?
A £ 25-30% lower when 40% of everything a household buys will not lead to 2% inflation- it's going to be a fair bit more than than.
Industry that is laying people off and blaming Brexit - maybe they're fibbing, but actually for people who want / need to work I think you'll find the difference is moot.
UK credit rating cut, and last time I looked likely to be cut further - well maybe you don't believe in credit ratings, even you couldn't spin that as good in a country with a debit appetite.
Tax shortfall of £14b or so
May herself accepts that Brexit will be bad (with the exception of allowing racists to control immigration - maybe, since the economy doesn't work without immigration), so get with the programme.
Was hoping to upgrade my PC in the new year, just had a look at processor prices, ****ing ouch! (and I don't think it's all filtered through yet)