Kimbers how does fuel price compare over past few years ?
Doom and gloom clickbait continues I see ?
Horatio I imagine management in both UK and Germany are looking closely at Brexit, as it stands uk production is cheaper in euros today with wto tariff applied than it was on June 22nd without. Plus of course till 2019 they have cheaper production and no tariffs.
I am waitng for EU to start blaming Brexit for destabilising European economies and causing a Greek debt default / run in Italian banks etc ... any bad thing you can think of blame Brexit, never EU incompetance
At least the Gernans did capture the Syrian [s]refugee/asylum seeker[/s] ISIs momb maker Merkel allowed into Germany with no background checks after he strolled though open Europe
Brexit is hardly good for Europe is it? It's a lose:lose situation
Watching CH4 news and really sickened to watch IDS trying to out-**** Farrage in terms of abusing Keir.
as it stands uk production is cheaper in euros today with wto tariff applied than it was on June 22nd without.
Yeah there was a story on the BBC today that people are now getting less than one Euro per pound at (rip off) airport foreign exchanges.
The worst reported rate was 88 euro cents to the pound!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37609114
It's an odd argument you have there Jamba. You are telling us that the pound tanking compared to the Euro is a good thing, whilst simultaneously telling us the Euro is going to tank really soon and it will destroy Europe.
@zippy £2.5m house that's £300k in stamp duty so we should thank thrm for their contribution to hmrc. No villa is Mustique = holiday in UK is better for the economy ? I am
A bit surprised a 15% change in holiday price is a worry, I'm still going to Switzerland at 1.20 when 20 years ago it was 2.80. Whilst I agree that reduction in spending is bad for economy the stock STW view is they should be taxed until they bleed anyway
At least the Gernans did capture the Syrian refugee/asylum seekerISIs momb maker Merkel allowed into Germany with no background checks after he strolled though open Europe
Have you got a bet on to see just how low you can stoop or are you just trying to out-idiot yourself?
At least the Gernans did capture the Syrian refugee/asylum seeker ISIs momb maker Merkel allowed into Germany with no background checks after he strolled though open Europe
It was actually 3 Syrian refugees that caught him. I used to think you were just misguided, but it's pretty apparent you are actually a nasty little racist.
Ok I accept the vote, however it is not acceptable or democratic to not allow our elected representatives to vote on the final deal. This actually requires a Commons revolt and it should be led by Mr Corbyn and all other issues need kicking into the long grass.
This is an unbelievable position for a first world democracy to be in and Jambalaya as much as I admire your blind faith (and it does border on fundamentalist) this is not and never can be viewed as a democratic process- the lies and decit that have created this should make us all very ashamed- the Tories will turn us back into a workhouse and the working poor of his country are ****ed
At least the Gernans did capture the Syrian refugee/asylum seeker ISIs momb maker Merkel allowed into Germany with no background checks after he strolled though open Europe
Well clearly Syria shouldn't be allowed in the Schengen Area.
Personally I didn't even know it was part of the EU.
Glad J Snow pulled IDS up on his attack on Keir Starmer in CH4 news
IBS can only aspire to being second rate, a mediocre soldier and someone who lied about his educational attainments.
It's a real testament to what a vile, nasty, xenophobic and generally clueless little turd 'Doctor' Liam Fox is that he almost makes IDS look like an actual human being
Almost...
And who lives in a mansion thanks to his in laws. Never achieved anything and never will.
Horatio I imagine management in both UK and Germany are looking closely at Brexit, as it stands uk production is cheaper in euros today with wto tariff applied than it was on June 22nd without. Plus of course till 2019 they have cheaper production and no tariffs.
Hmm, going for a low cost strategy is always a good solid long term strategy of the desperate.
At least the Gernans did capture the Syrian [s]refugee/asylum seeker[/s] ISIs momb maker Merkel allowed into Germany with no background checks after he strolled though open Europe
What is your foolproof plan for catching every terrorist before they can wreak their havoc on the world?
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Dark Side maybe if they had border checks they would have been able to admit the 3 legitimate refugees and keep out the 1 terrorist ?
Sky News:
Meryn King (ex BoE governor) said the fall in £ was a "welcome change"
Piece on Ireland - in terms of economics Ireland very worried about impact of their important
export business with the UK given fall in £
And who lives in a mansion thanks to his in laws. Never achieved anything and never will.
It's quite scary that we're about to enter the most important negotiations certainly in my lifetime, and I look at the people doing this, and I wouldnt trust any of them to negotiate a reasonable deal on a second hand car.
The £ fluctuation is no surprise really as currency speculators are "riding the wave" of speculation at the moment for early kill. They love the moment like this ... absolutely loving it. Massive gains from speculation.
As if border controls have a separate queuing line for terrorists.
Can someone tell me how to mute the Bullshitter?
Lots of people who disagree can create an interesting forum, but his spouting, and his refusal to engage with anyone that questions his complete twisting of facts in a blatant "up is down" fashion, stops the rest of us discussing things from our different viewpoints, and different opinions.
Can someone tell me how to mute the Bullshitter?
Which one? 😆
Dark Side maybe if they had border checks they would have been able to admit the 3 legitimate refugees and keep out the 1 terrorist ?
I presume we're a few posts away from a metaphor involving a bowl of skittles...?
They could build some big walls. And make ISIS pay for it 😉
@Kelvin - sorry its impossible - and its not just this thread.
On the other hand it can make you feel better knowing that some people are
very fixed in their views and will argue their point to a fault or worse,
Your arse 'Dr' Fox.
https://www.thelocal.no/20161010/norway-rejected-post-brexit-cooperation-with-uk
I expect the good Doctor will have to get very used to being told to **** off on our behalf for the next few years.
He's just too arrogant and thick to realise it yet
Most of the citizen identity management deployments in other countries are not set up this way.Although the citizen name is used as an identify the access rights to information (and often the information itself) is stored entirely separately. This enables identity and eligibility to confirmed in each domain e.g. health, state benefits, education etc. without the users in those domains being able to see anything else.
Estonia is quite a good model for this - it's ID card system (which doesn't actually rely on a plastic ID card) is the backbone for a fairly efficient public sector.
That's pretty much what I was thinking, not surprised Estonia got there first.
And no, you local librarian wouldn't be able to access your health records as they would be on seperate systems and anyway the card is just one part of the ID.
didn't we try that with the NHS records?wasn't it A) spectacularly expensive
and B) a total failure?
Yes and yes. Does that mean it's not possible? No. As above, Estonia managed it.
At least the Gernans did capture the Syrian refugee/asylum seeker ISIs momb maker Merkel allowed into Germany with no background checks after he strolled though open Europe
Aye, good job there were some handy asylum seekers around who did their civic duty to their hosts that recognised and apprehended him eh?
squirrelking: regarding the ID cards. IF they are just a way of providing a single-sign-on AND it is possible to make them secure then I'd have no objection to them except cost (though professionally speaking I don't honestly believe they can be made secure enough).
I think the Civil Liberties objection [i]mainly[/i] comes from trepidation about giving the police the ability to stop you in the street and demand to see your mandatory ID card.
Jamba - I'm sure you are neither racist nor facist, nor even xenophobic, but you might want to read back some of your recent posts because you are giving a certain impression.
Please.
Anyway, moving away from that, remember the we've had enough of experts thing? It suddenly reminds me of regimes that purge their intellectuals - and we can probably all think of a few of those (fewer nice ones of course).
@igm I am an Internationalist. I want every one in the world to have the same opportunity to come to the UK to live and work, subject to the same visa rules. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever t have freedom of movement based soley on which foreign passport you hold.
The migrant crises is one very much of the EU's making, from withdrawing funding from the seabased operation to its ludicrous Schengen Zone and the widespread abuse of it's own Dublin Agreement. In my view it is an example of the absolute incompetance of the EU, symptomatic of its wider inability to handle complex issues. It was absolutely clear to me that the EUs conduct was worsening an already significant security position and at the same time worsening already serious humanitarian suffering.
I see today that JCB one of the UK's greatest manufacturing successes has withdrawn it's membership of the CBI over the manner of its pro Remain stance.
The same JCB whose owners were prominent leave donors and the single biggest donors to the tory party at the 2010 GE with 2 million pounds? I bet them leaving the pro-remain CBI came as a shock to absolutely no one.
And the same JCB who are reducing UK manufacturing and moving production abroad? I think you are confusing manufacturing with engineering.
I just watched this interesting video on Cuba and what the locals did to overcome the trade embargo with regards to electrical gadgets.
Y'all might want to get some ideas for when the rest of the world refuses to trade with us:
JCB = Bamford = Brexit
what is the surprise?
Brexit is hardly good for Europe is it? It's a lose:lose situation
It need not be TMH. Personally I think once the electioneering rhetoric from Hollande and Merkel dies down we'll get much more sense. As I posted Hollande is toast and either Sarkozy (or Jupe) or Le Penn will be much more supportive. Merkel is getting more "eurosceptic" too, the voters and the election will see to that.
A proper EEC with no freedom of movement and no budget with no parliament just a "civil service" funded directly by each member state paying for its own representatives
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anybody want to help with the Maths?
Taking the 8.5bn that means that for one year of hard brexit it would take 7.76 years out to make the saving back. (Or using the magic 13bn figure 5.07years)
Or put another way it's costing 57.5bn to save 8.5bn
So if that is right then 2 years post a hard brexit the UK would be over 100bn worse off. Thats paying for a lot of hospitals.
Thats paying for a lot of hospitals.
Well once the foreign staff have gone home we'll need a lot fewer hospitals, so that's OK.
The migrant crises is one very much of the EU's making
There's me thinking it might have something to do with Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Syria. Silly me, wh?
stops the rest of us discussing things from our different viewpoints, and different opinions.
Already noted many times. A posting on an internet bb doesn't need to be a peer reviewed article but endlessly posting fibs just destroys the environment for everyone.
The Times though? Isn't that one of those lefty liberal papers with scant regard for The Truth?
They'll be employing experts next.
Jamba - an internationalist? Excellent. Glad to hear it. Now let's start, not by building borders and barriers, but by disassembling them. I wrote earlier in one of these threads that I dreamed / aspired to a world with complete freedom of movement but with no economic driver disparity to drive migration. (I'm an electrical engineer by training - a copper bar with no potential difference carries no net current - though plenty of electrons move around.) A world where anyone can have the life that essentially I understand you have, going to other countries because there was something there that interested you - a job, perhaps a relationship, perhaps just interest - free from government interference. Governments simply become administrative blocks.
Now I knowthat ranks alongside John Lennon's Imagine in it's level of achievablity - but how do we move towards that not away?
And on security, I can correct George Bush - the price of freedom is that occasionally bad things happen, for eternal vigilance kills freedom.
But what about the 350m a week the Brexiters have been promising us???
even with a soft brexit thats still 6% of GDP
just 10% if we go for fox/davies hard brexit 😯
I see today that JCB one of the UK's greatest manufacturing successes has withdrawn it's membership of the CBI over the manner of its pro Remain stance.
I'm sure JCB have the UK's best interests at heart with their pro Brexit stance, and it had nothing at all to do with their lengthy, costly and nasty legal battle with the EU over their £22 million anti competition fine.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/business/2000/dec/22/6 ]JCB hit with £22 million EU fine[/url]
Must have been an interesting cabinet meeting when they saw the figures. Do the three stooges just simply not believe them ?
Klunk - they're just building up their pension pots and after dinner speaking contacts / content 😉
Must have been an interesting cabinet meeting when they saw the figures. Do the three stooges just simply not believe them ?
This is nothing to do with inconvenient facts. This is being driven entirely by evangelical, mindless ideology, that is an end in itself, no matter what the cost to the rest of us.
Because - make no mistake - the people taking us down this blind alley aren't the ones who are going to end up paying the price of its inevitable failure. They're far too comfortably cushioned from the economic reality of the consequences for that.
Note how the architect of this madness has already exited stage left, taking his millions with him, into the inevitable corporate boardroom appointments, where he'll make even more money, safely detached from the shit-storm he so arrogantly and contemptuously created. This lot won't be far behind him
In my view it is an example of the absolute incompetance of the EU, symptomatic of its wider inability to handle complex issues.
It amuses me greatly that you think the natives could do any better!
@igm I am an Internationalist. I want every one in the world to have the same opportunity to come to the UK to live and work, subject to the same visa rules. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever t have freedom of movement based soley on which [s]foreign[/s] passport you hold.
You were nearly right. But to be an internationalist (and coincidentally, that's a great album by Powderfinger), you'd need to recognise that the (mis)fortune of place of birth should have no bearing on your ability to move freely throughout the world.
