Anyone sufficiently motivated by this Charlie Foxtrot to get themselves involved in politics?
I'd venture a guess that it's more involved than phoning up and asking if Party X needs a few new candidates / prospective MPs 😉
Remind me who keeps pointing out the Euro is a basket case?
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The euro pain hasn't even begun yet, we won't get off scot free far from it but the further away we can get the better.
@molgrips language, rule of law, opportunity for all, open and international society, passport after 7 years ... ?
Amber Rudd's speech. Interesting comment from Sky. She made it clear we would be changing the law to allow us to deport anyone ie inc EU nationals who repeatedly breech even minor laws. This flies in the face of EU law and Rudd bery much implied it would be changed in the near future and is therefore a challenge to the EU. Any legal action by the EU would be so drawn out it would have no chance of completion before our 2019 formal exit.
Whatever the level of the currency the UK will reman a very attractive place for "foreigners" looking to come and work
Really? I have 4 out of 6 EU colleagues (post-docs and lecturers) in adjacent offices looking to move back to the EU post referendum for a variety of reasons. Main ones are that they feel Britain is racist/bigoted, hostile and an uncertain place to work as a non-national and that they find the philosophy (if not always the execution) of the EU much more appealing than us turning our backs on Europe. From many of their stand points Britain was only ever a marginal EU member anyway and always benefited much more than we deserved based on our input and are struggling to understand the mentality of Brexit. Plus we are based in Scotland where Remain won outright so I would imagine that they are shielded from the worst of the immediate outfall, god only knows what those in English institutions are thinking.
2 posts I have open at the moment that would previously have had more than 50% of applicants from the EU is now down at <20% (and they are the dross). Even the proportion of applications from India/China are down. This is a trend reported by colleagues in other institutions so it isn't just mine.
These are posts for post-doctoral level workers; highly educated, highly mobile, ~25-35 year olds and utterly vital to UK research. Almost without fail they would out-compete much of the homegrown "talent" and now they don't seem to want to come here (and that is before we erect the real barriers).
Maybe minimum wage jobs will still be attractive to immigrant workers, but that is more likely through desperation rather than desire.
I know you have your hypothetical rosy day when Eurogeddon comes calling and every EU national want to be a part of our new great international trading nation but based on what I can see now, before any Brexit reality, has actually happened, it looks more like rats from a sinking ship than rebirth.
I wish you could convince me otherwise but I still feel like an entire generation of British nationals have been sacrificed on the alter of CMDs arrogance to try and sate BoJos ego and the deranged desires of the hard rights fevered imaginations.
The one bright light I can see is that it may lead to the reform of Europe and the EU into the thing it should always have been. FWIW I've been a sceptical of the current form of the EU for years but I fail to see how what we have done is actually going to benefit us.
the UK will reman a very attractive place for "foreigners" looking to come and work
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-37227313
the UK will reman a very attractive place for "foreigners" looking to come and work
sounds very much like the government don't want ANYONE coming to the uk, regardless of skills. The only thing that matters is getting immigration down. That it may screw the economy and trash the UK is of no relevance.
the UK will reman a very attractive place for "foreigners" looking to come and work
[b]Brexit vote has led to noticeable rise in UK xenophobia, watchdog warns[/b]Christian Ahlund, the chair of the watchdog, said: "It is no coincidence that racist violence is on the rise in the UK at the same time as we see worrying examples of intolerance and hate speech in the newspapers, online and even among politicians.
"The Brexit referendum seems to have led to a further rise in 'anti-foreigner' sentiment, making it even more important that the British authorities take the steps outlined in our report as a matter of priority."
Police figures showed a spike in hate crime reports in the weeks after the referendum in June. The number later dipped, but remained higher than 2015.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-vote-has-led-to-noticeable-rise-in-uk-xenophobia-watchdog-warns-a7343646.html ](The Independent)[/url]
The comments are worth a read too 😯
Nasty "racist" UK, lovely cuddly EU ?
EU has just signed a deal with Afghanistan allowing it to deport all Afghans not granted asylum back to holding camps in Afghanistan (note this is necessary as many countries like Morocco and Tunisia have been refusing to accept their citizens back). Germany has already said all Afghans will be denied asylum. Afghans comprise the second largest group who claimed asylum last year at just under 200,000
I deel dirty having read what Rudd said
Dark days
NW - I have to sympathise with you not just re the hangover (hopefully gone now) but also the challenges you now face at work thanks to Rudd
Shackleton - MemberMain ones are that they feel Britain is racist/bigoted, hostile and an uncertain place to work as a non-national
Do we work in the same place?
EU has just signed a deal with Afghanistan allowing it to deport all Afghans not granted asylum back to holding camps in Afghanistan (note this is necessary as many countries like Morocco and Tunisia have been refusing to accept their citizens back). Germany has already said all Afghans will be denied asylum. Afghans comprise the second largest group who claimed asylum last year at just under 200,000
Can't see reference to "sending back to camps" or Germany refusing all Afghans.
Story to me reads as "[u]failed [/u]asylum seekers will be repatriated". Not particularly nice but likely necessary to protect the legitimacy of genuine asylum claims. Hardly "EU screws over all Afghan asylum seekers".
Shackleton - Member
Main ones are that they feel Britain is racist/bigoted, hostile and an uncertain place to work as a non-nationalDo we work in the same place?
I think a lot of us on here do 😕
Nasty "racist" UK, lovely cuddly EU ?
No, the issue is not racist UK nice EU, the issue is those who are racist are now in charge. I am a Dual national and can remember being called a f***ing paddy growing up, having lived my whole life in the UK.
I had hoped that type of attitude had left the UK, i as wrong, i have taken out an Irish Passport as i basically don't give a s**t about the country i live in and it gives me more options.
Nasty "racist" UK, lovely cuddly EU ?
No one said that. But feel free to attack it anyway.
I had hoped that type of attitude had left the UK, i as wrong, i have taken out an Irish Passport as i basically don't give a s**t about the country i live in and it gives me more options.
Which country do you live in?
Given that xenophobia and racism across Europe has been exposed by recent events, we should be trying to play who is least bad, but rather working together to stamp it out altogther. These are increasingly unpleasant times.
The Tories have a bendy bus - May trying to park it in the centre with the nutters manouvering the dirty end to the right.
TMH we have a problem in Europe largely of the EU's own making. They have pushed on with deeply unpopular policies with their ears closed to the growing disquiet. Recent election setbacks in Germany have lead Chancellor Merkel to admit she got it wrong on refugees (comparable in my mind to Sarkozy saying it had been a mistake to admit Greece to the euro).
As I have said so many times when you ignore a small problem it becomes a medium sized problem, when you ignore a medium sized problem it becomes one you cannot solve. Someone else solves it for you.
I agree we've ignored racism and bigotry in this country for far too long, the tabloids have been pumping out xenophobic nonsense for years, starting thth bendy bananas culminating in blatant Islamaphobia and Theresa Mays go home immigrants vans and vote leave using nazi style posters and fear of Turkish criminals to help win the vote.
Now we have a rise in hate crime, even murderers post Brexit, vote leave seem to want to take credit for their stunning victory but not the damage it has done to it society, shameful.
History has seen this before when minorities are scapegoated for the failings of government. It doesn't end well.
Shakelton - agreed the article says a specially build dedicated reception terminal it was me who called that a camp. Why would you build a whole new airport terminal if people where passing straight through ? IMO it will be a holding camp. Sweden has been paying Afghans willing to go back, its seems the broader EU wants to accelerate this and include those who refuse. The statement that Germany declared all Afghans would be declined asylum was made 6+ months ago.
Graham, indeed it was me who used the term warm and cuddly based upon all those here who are so critical of "racists and biggoted Britain" in favour of other EU countries. What I suspect is they haven't followed the news in their potential new homes. Remember it was the EU which terminated the joint naval operation in the Med leaving Italy in the lurch and a huge increase in fatalities.
History has seen this before when minorities are scapegoated for the failings of government. It doesn't end well.
Agreed it should have been dealt with 5-10 years ago by the EU controlling freedom of movement, imo the refugee crises was always beyond them as it's just too dysfunctional an organisation. Such issues always flare in times of economic hardship and it's about to get a whole lot worse throughout Europe. Dangerous times.
Shackleton - Member
Main ones are that they feel Britain is racist/bigoted, hostile and an uncertain place to work as a non-national and that they find the philosophy (if not always the execution) of the EU much more appealing than us turning our backs on Europe.
I don't get it ...
Your colleagues all work in Scotland and because the nation (UK) voted out so now your colleagues working in Scotland, have all of a sudden, think they are working in a hostile country? You lot are in Scotland so what hostile environment do you get at your work place and in Scotland?
Which bits of the hostility have they identified and where?
mrmo - Member
I had hoped that type of attitude had left the UK, i as wrong, i have taken out an Irish Passport as i basically don't give a s**t about the country i live in and it gives me more options.
Have you been treated badly recently?
If you see yourself as a "foreigner" shouldn't you just respect the voting outcome?
Agreed it should have been dealt with 5-10 years ago by the EU controlling freedom of movement,
No it should have started with educating the xenophobes and racists so that FoM was not allowed to be their scapegoat
Its truly shameful to see what is happening in this "debate"
But I agree about tackling small problems before they escalate - hence the need to stamp this immigration nonsense out now
i basically don't give a s**t about the country i live in
Which country do you live in?
Where do you give a s**t about?
No it should have started with educating the xenophobes and racists so that FoM was not allowed to be their scapegoat
Is Gillian Duffy one of these
?xenophobes and racists
Or are you going to ignore the question again?
From the clips I saw, [b]her attitudes and comments[/b] appeared to be, yes.
Whether [b]she is or not[/b], I have no idea, hence the lack of my reply earlier.
From the clips I saw, her attitudes and comments appeared to be, yes.Whether she is or not, I have no idea, hence the lack of my reply earlier.
Typical none answer, you are labelling lots of people as an amorphous blob with a serious accusations. She seems to fit your description, so why isn't she?
I'll tell you what watching the Tory conference coverage most certainly demonstrates.... UKIP is finished!
What's the point of them any more?
When Dave described them as 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists' he might as well have been describing the post referendum Tory party. Well.... if we lose the term 'closet'. They seem to be openly, even proudly racist.
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starting thth bendy bananas
thing is that was true and it had a big impact on Tenerife's banana industry where their bananas are small and curved naturally.
What were they suppossed to do, GM their bananas so they grew a bit longer ?
Who in the EU thought that was a good idea ?
teamhurtmore - Member
From the clips I saw, her attitudes and comments appeared to be, yes.
Whether she is or not, I have no idea, hence the lack of my reply earlier.
Agreed
thing is that was true and it had a big impact on Tenerife's banana industry where their bananas are small and curved naturally.
and the regs says
(5) Account should be taken of the fact that, because climatic factors make production conditions difficult in Madeira, the Azores, the Algarve, Crete, Lakonia and Cyprus, bananas there do not develop to the minimum length laid down. In those cases such bananas should still be allowed to be marketed, but only in Class II.
thing is that was true and it had a big impact on Tenerife's banana industry where their bananas are small and curved naturally.
http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html
thing is that was true and it had a big impact on Tenerife's banana industry where their bananas are small and curved naturally.
They grow platanos in Tenerife, not bananas. 😉
binners - Member
I'll tell you what watching the Tory conference coverage most certainly demonstrates.... UKIP is finished!
I think you will find that one or two of the large parties will indeed be finished within these two to three generations but certainly not UKIP.
What's the point of them any more?
The better question is what is the point of the oppositions that try to reverse the decision of the people?
When Dave described them as 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists' he might as well have been describing the post referendum Tory party. Well.... if we lose the term 'closet'. They seem to be openly, even proudly racist
I think you will find yourself in a dilemma in the next election because you will have very little to choose from except Green, LibDem or SNP. Forget about the large parties because they are ONE.
They have pushed on with deeply unpopular policies with their ears closed to the growing disquiet.
Actually agree with that.
Typical none answer, you are labelling lots of people as an amorphous blob with a serious accusations. She seems to fit your description, so why isn't she?
She may well be - but I dont know her. Do you? I do know what she said though, so safer to comment on that.
Re the wider generalisations - yes guilty as charged I admit. So why?
Simple....we have made immigration a major issue in one of the most important econ/political decisions that we are likely to make. The links made between immigration and various issues were all easily fasliable.
So without solid foundations, one is left to conclude that the use of immigration as a scapegoat is either based on a phobia/fear of foreigners or a hatred of them. You decide.
One thing is for sure immigrants are not guilty of the various charges laid against them in the appalling Brexit campaign
I think you will find yourself in a dilemma in the next election because you will have very little to choose from except Green, LibDem or SNP. Forget about the large parties because they are ONE.
It's difficult to comprehend the speed with which the 2main parties have been hijacked by their extremes. The UKIP agenda which only a few years ago would have been considered absolutely bonkers, is now official policy of a Tory party in power, as it powers on towards a weird, twisted vision of some mythical 1950's Grand Brittania utopia that never existed anyway
Can we stop the world please. I want to get off
binners - Member
It's difficult to comprehend the speed with which the 2main parties have been hijacked by their extremes.
They have something in common - they refused to serve EU.
The UKIP agenda which only a few years ago would have been considered absolutely bonkers, is now official policy of a Tory party in power, as it powers on towards a weird, twisted vision of some mythical 1950's Grand Brittania utopia that never existed anyway
Actually that is not the chase because people have been waiting for this moment for nearly half their lives. They just grabbed the opportunity presented they moment it is presented to them because the are so fed up to serve EU.
No grass is greener than the grass at home.Can we stop the world please. I want to get off
big n daft, i live in England,always have done, and i have always been aware of a underlying racism but i haven't personally experienced it for a while. Since the vote i have heard plenty of comments about immigrants etc. seen a few comments on the street etc. Which is depressing.
As for what do i care about, me, if this is the England that will exist going forward i am not sure i want to be here anymore being honest.
My atitude has alway been live and let live, but when you see the political landscape shift so far to the right, and become so xenophobic you begin to ask whether as a dual you actually belong.
As for what do i care about, me, if this is the England that will exist going forward i am not sure i want to be here anymore being honest.
+1, but I won't be heading to Fuengirola either.
It is a country split between priding itself on being multicultural and decidedly racist. Racism is becoming more popular. 😐
mrmo & captainsasquatch,
Are you sure you in the UK?
I mean I don't sound British, I have a different culture, I certainly do not look white or hip and I live in North East working class region but I have experienced non of yours. Obviously I do not go searching for them but who does?
Very noticeable with foreign delivery drivers . They speak very little , as if they dont want to be known that they are foreign .
Was not like that before the referendum .
Then chewkw you have your eyes closed
Our own glorious Tory Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns thought it was ok to refer to Italians as 'greasy wops' until forced to apologise when found out.
Can we stop the world please. I want to get off
That's a bit Extreme.....
I'll tell you what watching the Tory conference coverage most certainly demonstrates.... UKIP is finished!What's the point of them any more?
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