[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

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I've had enough for tonight, I'm watching the last 45 minutes of Brexit 2, it would be fitting if England went out to a screamer of an own goal, into the top corner from 20 yards out.

A guy at work heard that the banks would be moving to Ireland.

He couldn't understand why, as Ireland was coming out as well.

I explained that there were referring to Eire, not Northern Ireland.

He didn't realise that there were two 'Irelands'...

Yep, he voted Leave.

😀

Maybe everyone needs to do a short general knowledge and basic reasoning test before they are allowed to vote.

Twenty questions get asked. You have ten minutes to answer.

Then your vote is scaled by your marks out of twenty.

maybe out = cross on romania on a map of europe

Here's the article about MPs voting on Article 50 (by a constitutional lawyer, not Jamba-fact):
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/stop-brexit-mp-vote-referendum-members-parliament-act-europe ]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/stop-brexit-mp-vote-referendum-members-parliament-act-europe[/url]

Basically, write to your MP. I will be - as a now-ex Tory voter in a Tory seat.

Q1. What is the plural of referendum

Errr that's it... 😉

I can't see how MPs could easily avoid voting the way that their constituents asked for. It was a very clear vote. They could just ignore it but then they are unlikely to get voted back in again.
interesting times

Tuition fees???

Yeah they might not get voted back in, however with fixed term parliaments it means there are 3 years until the next election.
Voters will forget in that time

it would be fitting if England went out to a screamer of an own goal, into the top corner from 20 yards out.

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[quote=leffeboy ]I can't see how MPs could easily avoid voting the way that their constituents asked for. It was a very clear vote. They could just ignore it but then they are unlikely to get voted back in again.

For a Tory* MP in a safe seat where there is no realistic threat from UKIP, who are the electorate going to vote for instead?

* the same may apply for MPs from other parties, it's just the most obvious example

Voters will forget in that time

For a Tory* MP in a safe seat where there is no realistic threat from UKIP, who are the electorate going to vote for instead?

[quote=dannyh ]2) They thought they knew what they were doing

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Anyhow, I've figured out how to win any argument.

Keep answering back until someone makes a genuine point that contradicts my point of view. Then pretend I didn't see or hear their point. Then carry on blithely as before.

Suddenly, life becomes very simple.

I can't believe I haven't hit on this solution up until now.

@mike you'll be sleeping but S&P have downgraded the UK, theynwhere the outlier as the other agencies tookmaway the AAA a while ago. This will make no difference imo as many investors take the "lowest of" when it comes to credit ratings.

Fitch also downgraded us from AA+ to AA.

And Moody's downgraded our outlook from "stable" to "negative".

oh yes please

https://www.change.org/p/prosecute-nigel-farage-under-the-racial-and-religious-hatred-act-2006

I think Philip Pullman may have a point (or two or three):
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jun/25/philip-pullman-on-the-1000-causes-of-brexit

dannyh - Member
Anyhow, I've figured out how to win any argument.

Keep answering back until someone makes a genuine point that contradicts my point of view. Then pretend I didn't see or hear their point. Then carry on blithely as before.

Suddenly, life becomes very simple.

I can't believe I haven't hit on this solution up until now.

You've only just tumbled to his strategy? Surely not?

😉

I can't see how MPs could easily avoid voting the way that their constituents asked for. It was a very clear vote.

True. But the point of having a representative in Parliament is that sometimes, being, well, educated, they might know best on some points, depending on the constituency. Which takes us back to the origin problem that the referendum should never have been asked of people who think The Pub Landlord is a real person not the satirical creation of an Oxford-educated aristocrat.
Either way, the next PM is going to have to piss off at least half the population and if I were him I'd piss off the poor, stupid half not the bright, better-off half.

Outlook is nothing really Graham. S&P where an outlier somthey've come back into line. We are Aa1/AA/AA and our cost of borrowing has gone down after the vote.

If people think this is market volatility just wait till the eurozone debt crises, what we saw in 2010 was only a dress rehersal

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/stop-brexit-mp-vote-referendum-members-parliament-act-europe ]Lobby your MP to vote against Brexit[/url]

Clearly an expert in the financial world aren't you Jam.

I see Hodgson has followed Cameron's lead.

the eurozone debt crises, what we saw in 2010

our cost of borrowing has gone down after the vote

Source please!

Clearly an expert in the financial world aren't you Jam.

Indeed I am, 30 years Goldman, Deutsche, Standard Chartered etc

Speaking of financial experts

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Source please!

@mefty

[quote=jambalaya ]

Clearly an expert in the financial world aren't you Jam.

Indeed I am, 30 years Goldman, Deutsche, Standard Chartered etc
Sweeping the office doesn't count

jambalaya - Member

Clearly an expert in the financial world aren't you Jam.

Indeed I am, 30 years Goldman, Deutsche, Standard Chartered etc

Yeah but thats 30 years of trying to pass the 6 month probation period!

I have no doubt that you are very good at what you do but you seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that many people are going to suffer because of that decision .

Hang on. You don't suppose jamba is in fact Farage?

If people think this is market volatility just wait till the eurozone debt crises, what we saw in 2010 was only a dress rehersal

I've been waiting for the eurozone debt crisis, and waiting, and waiting and waiting. And eventually along came a sterling crisis in its place.

Guys don't you remember that Jamba was boasting he'd caused the banking collapse a few years ago 😉

I thought i would ask, i may have missed the announcement on Friday, What is the plan? I am sure one of the brexit supporters must know?

Also a little concerned by the rising racial abuse i am reading and witnessing, I am assuming this is under control and the vote leave lot have a plan in place being rolled out as i type?

It's interesting (and scary) to see the level of racism now.

I suspect the cohort of racists now think they have the backing of the country aligned with their thinking and feel more comfortable to be more vocal than they would have previously.

It's truly a scary world we live in.

Newsnight,
implying that the EU and germany are going to shit on us in the negotiations, pissed at Cameron for forcing concessions out of them and then still ballsing up the referendum.
Of course they dont want us dragging out the (start of) negotiations, its hurting global finance.
Germany will take a hit to their exports to end this

My prediction is that at best well Norway style deal, but pay more than Norway to access the free market and culural/science/healthcare exchanges, have to accept freedom of movement and abide by all that hated red tape to trade with them, probably try and have some influence on our trade with rest of the world

Or if we dick around too much, theyll just cast us off and happily take our best Brefugees, all those Nissan plants and Banks that want access to teh single market

happy days

[quote=mrmo ]I thought i would ask, i may have missed the announcement on Friday, What is the plan? I am sure one of the brexit supporters must know?

In case there is still any doubt about this, and for those that have missed it:

Asked a few days before the vote whether he had such a plan for the day after if the Leave campaign won Boris Johnson was brutally frank - in private at least. No was his answer.
He and other Leavers declared their hope that David Cameron would have one and would stay in office to implement it.

When he first proposed a referendum three years ago I asked the prime minister what his Plan B was if his renegotiation failed or he lost the referendum.
He refused to contemplate any such possibility. I asked him again during the general election campaign - he was no more willing to consider failure. The civil service were banned from making plans for Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36638003

My prediction is that at best well Norway style deal, but pay more than Norway to access the free market and culural/science/healthcare exchanges, have to accept freedom of movement and abide by all that hated red tape to trade with them

@scotroutes: thank you for posting that Downfall clip; that is the first thing to actually make me laugh (not just out of utter despair) since Friday morning!

Brilliant. When even Aussie kids are taking the piss:

+1 thanks scotroutes - that's probably the only good this to come out of this sorry mess.