[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Well, I think this definitely constitutes plot thickening, don't you?

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No big surprises there.

We already know that before the refendum May:

1) thought there was a strong economic case for staying in EU
2) stated that staying in EU was in our interests in terms of security
3) suggested that she did not approve of current freedoms of movement

So, if we're leaving, and she said we shouldn't, then the only benefit she thinks we can gain is to reduce freedom of movement, so of course her priority is immigration. And she knows that we will pay economically. And she expects to get full approval from the people whose votes she needs in future.

Doubt she'll be embarrassed in the slightest by that tape… she is not one of those that believed, or stated, that there would be a economic benefit from leaving the EU.

Fourbanger - you don't think he actually a) read any of that 373 pages, or b) believes what he says.

Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it.

Remember "making a success of Brexit", in May's terms, still does not claim we will better off then we would have been inside the EU.

Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it.

The people have had enough of the failed brexit experiment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scotlands independence bid to stay in the EU in light of Brexit is a bit of a no brainer- even the most basic of business graduates can identify the market opportunity-
English speaking
Great golf
Make your own corporate tax rate
Great whiskey
Its not France
Loads of cheap office space
Lots of cheap labour
Cheap cost of living
Low population density
Not rocket science
Think Ireland with better airports

And that's not intended as a personal attack - I wish they were engaging, I'd love a proper debate and I hold nothing against either of th

We are not the ones engaging in perpetual personal attacks are we ? Not saying you are but the abuse is there so why would you expect anything else ?

I have made my points that real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong moaning headlines mean £££ clickbait ad revenue. Yup pros and cons of £ weakness, we spoke of inflationary impact right back in June but with inflation far below the BoE target of 2% there is room there. As for layoffs Brexit is a great excuse.

Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it.

The most wishful of wishful thinking on Brexit. I will repeat again post the Austrian/French/Dutch and German elections Europe will look very different I suspect. Then we have Greece and the eurozone debt crises. Trying to map the future is very unclear. What is certain is that when the EU and eurozone implodes it will be Brexit's fault according to the EU elite

jambalaya - Member

We are not the ones engaging in perpetual personal attacks are we ? Not saying you are but the abuse is there so why would you expect anything else ?

Well, apart from your instant labeling of anybody who doesn't agree with your views on the Labour part as a racist ant-Semite (see Northwind, Junkyard for example) You also are prone to commit terminological inexactitudes so often that there are £350 million reasons why you cannot complain when people call you on it or carry out "perpetual personal attacks" as you term it.

I have made my points that real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong moaning headlines mean £££ clickbait ad revenue. Yup pros and cons of £ weakness, we spoke of inflationary impact right back in June but with inflation far below the BoE target of 2% there is room there. As for layoffs Brexit is a great excuse.

"Brexit is falling apart and the only question is whether it takes the the UK or the EU or both with it."
The most wishful of wishful thinking on Brexit. I will repeat again post the Austrian/French/Dutch and German elections Europe will look very different I suspect. Then we have Greece and the eurozone debt crises. Trying to map the future is very unclear. What is certain is that when the EU and eurozone implodes it will be Brexit's fault according to the EU elite

I'm not saying the EU won't suffer; I'm saying we will. And wishful thinking is wishing we'd never started this nonsense in the first place, not hoping that people will come to their senses now.

real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong

Well companies that are looking at higher output cutting staff is interesting, unless they believe this is the calm before the storm, so let's cast our net around shall we.

Trade gap rising against a £ that has fallen 25-30% (as I recall) since the intention to have the right referendum was announced - not good. A weak pound is meant to help with the trade gap isn't it?

A £ 25-30% lower when 40% of everything a household buys will not lead to 2% inflation- it's going to be a fair bit more than than.

Industry that is laying people off and blaming Brexit - maybe they're fibbing, but actually for people who want / need to work I think you'll find the difference is moot.

UK credit rating cut, and last time I looked likely to be cut further - well maybe you don't believe in credit ratings, even you couldn't spin that as good in a country with a debit appetite.

Tax shortfall of £14b or so

May herself accepts that Brexit will be bad (with the exception of allowing racists to control immigration - maybe, since the economy doesn't work without immigration), so get with the programme.

Was hoping to upgrade my PC in the new year, just had a look at processor prices, ****ing ouch! (and I don't think it's all filtered through yet)

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Came across this, one, UK fishermen, we don't want Spanish fishermen in UK waters but it is ok to abuse French fisheries.....

This being the industry that has been whinging about CAP, red tape foreigners etc....

That the products they catch are then exported to France anyway....

How to shoot yourself in both feet!

Was hoping to upgrade my PC in the new year, just had a look at processor prices, **** ouch! (and I don't think it's all filtered through yet)

My 2009 macbook is starting to play up, thinking about a new one and there is an announcement tomorrow, be interested/dreading the prices apple list.

15% price increase????

Not saying you are but the abuse is there so why would you expect anything else ?

Don't be so thin skinned, you are quite pitiful at times, you post stuff which is a lie (the Clinton stroke, for me) you are asked to provide proof, which you cant because you have posted something that isn't true. Instead of doing the mature grown up thing of saying "got that one wrong, sorry" you ignore people then start bleating when you get called on it.

Sort your life out Jamba

Don't forget every pound extra you spend the government gets 20p.
Let's call it the Patriot Tax.
We've had some proper scary price rises from our suppliers.
Enjoy this Christmas because next year will be properly shit.

One point I'm genuinely interested to understand is that if, as is always being pointed out, the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world is that ranking dependant of being in the EU or not i.e. are we ranked 5th because we are in the EU. If it is then where would we rank outside or does it not work like that.

Nipper we are now ranked 6th after Franxe, thanks to the devaluation of the pound 😕

Mays speech was surprising, she was telling a bunch of bankers what they wanted to hear! (Those same bankers not going to be too impressed with everything shes said post Brexit tho)
Nor was the content of her speech revelatory, everyone knows Brexit will be bad for the economy and less cooperation with Europe bad for security.

Since the referendum she's done what she can do, appointed the 3 clowns to the top job and gone out of her way to piss off the EU, if we are stuck with a hard Brexit and the population realise in time what high inflation and loss of access to single market means for jobs and investment, then she can call it off.
If by some miracle she can manage a token bit of immigration control and keep free market access, she's a hero for the Sun readers !

No: although you could argue that membership has boosted the size of our economy. But in answer to your question, no.

Heroine perhaps? Or have the feminine versions of nouns died out in the age of PC. I notice that actresses are now merely actors. How gauche.... 😉

Mays speech was surprising, she was telling a bunch of bankers what they wanted to hear!

Indeed - just as she told her constituents what they wanted to hear about Heathrow.

I have made my points that real economic data is pretty strong, manufacturing up, services strong moaning headlines mean £££ clickbait ad revenue.

Ok your point about clickbait is clear and valid.

But how can you say it's all okay because economic data is strong NOW when the shit is nowhere near the fan yet.

You have to admit that a lot could still go wrong over the next ten years - don't you?

Heroine perhaps?

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I think it does nicely blow up the myth of May being a 'reluctant remainer'

Just like the rest of the cabinet the interests of the country were secondary to her own ambitions for power.

are we ranked 5th because we are in the EU. If it is then where would we rank outside or does it not work like that.

It doesn't work like that. There are a few possible measures, but it is usually based on Gross Domestic Produce (GDP):

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Though GDP alone doesn't take into account the cost of living in those countries. So you can also look at GDP adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity (PPP):

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More figures here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

We are not 5th directly because we are in the EU. Some will tell you it has helped grow our economy though, others will say we would have grown faster without it.

It's pretty hard to know the truth of that. We joined in 1973. In 1970 we were only 6th largest, now we are 5th, but we've also been as high as 4th (early 2000s and also 1960), and as low as 7th (1990).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

Thing is with those rankings aren't they pre-Brexit vote. So looking at GBP>USD conversions we look to be ~ 22% down on this time last year (Oct 26 2015 vs Oct 26 2016)

So hasn't our GDP in USD dropped from $2,649,890 to $2,066,914 which places us 7th above Italy but below India or am I reading this wrong?

If I'm not then it makes the prediction that $=£ (% drop in value against the dollar) quite interesting as that would place us at 13th below Spain but above Mexico; which is the lowest I think we have ever been; and using the GDP adjusted by cost of living that puts us below South Korea.

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I think it does nicely blow up the myth of May being a 'reluctant remainer'

Not so sure, maybe i am overly cynical, she will say whatever the audience wants to hear to gain favour and promotion.

What she really thinks????

As for pursing hard brexit, if she can get less than 30% of the population to vote for her she wins the general election, screw what is best for the rest, or even in the longer term interests of the 30%.

After all who pays taxes, who provides OAP care, who picks food, etc etc etc

using the GDP adjusted by cost of living that puts us below Iran.

GDP by PPP doesn't use international exchange rates.
It is listed in "[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geary%E2%80%93Khamis_dollar ]International Dollars (INT$)[/url]" which is a hypothetical currency unit used when comparing purchasing power.

I think you're right on the GDP (Nominal) list though - as that is rated in US dollars.

OK, makes sense and explains why we haven't heard the Brexiters banging on about we are the 5th biggest economy in the world so people will have to jolly well do as we say, or we won't ship them teacakes for a while.

I guess we won't actually feel any of this for another few months as most companies have hedged their currency transactions.

I'm wondering if I can ask my company to pay me in USD though, as I will be able to by a county at this this rate 🙂

Why the May bashing? She was a remainder, but not a particularly vocal one. Like any sensible person she recognised the flaws in the EU (both those that affect us and those that don't) but she also recognises that the current arrangement suited our interests best.

Re her aspirations - she wasn't a total narcissist like Bojo or Gove. In fact she always seems reluctant and almost surprised to win. Even now she appears uncertain of herself in front of camera and large audiences and when questioned. She "may" grow into it or may not.

BUT at least since the stupidity of the vote, she has at least got on with things. Starting at the most sensible position - hard - and then hopefully working to more sensible compromises. We shall see.

Why the May bashing?

Because of her huge lurch to the right?

@molgrips yes indeed things could go badly wrong, I would add whether we are in the EU or not. I think all this negativity won't help either in the short term either.

5th/6th doesn't really matter and always moves around with FX rates. I am certainly glad we don't have France's 10% unemployment

I see Vauxhaul / GM have projected they will make $400m less in 2017 (seems a bit high to me) as they expect UK buyers to buy fewer European produced cars due to strong €

Why the May bashing?

Because she is a Conservative Prime Minister. Which is second only to being a Blairite

huge lurch to the right - are you serious?

@molgrips yes indeed things could go badly wrong, I would add whether we are in the EU or not. I think all this negativity won't help either in the short term either

Hmm yes but it's not negativity from the sake of it. People are genuinely concerned, so why can't we be negative? It's justified negativity. No-one wants to be negative, especially in business where it harms your company's profile.

huge lurch to the right - are you serious?

Well - concentrating power in the hands of a few without public consultation or parliametary involvement, pursuing isolationist ideology - I always considered that a kind of right-wing thing but I guess it's technically not, especially to an economist.

I see Vauxhaul / GM have projected they will make $400m less in 2017

Bad news for Elsemere Port & Luton 🙁

teamhurtmore - Member
huge lurch to the right - are you serious?

the tory conference was hardly the communist national congress?
we had...
selective schools
name & shame employers of foreign workers
boot out all foreigners
more cuts to the NHS (sorry 22bn of efficiency savings)
boot out foreign students
and a lot of little englander guff about citizens of nowhere and standard right wing nationalism

Technically not and practically not. I think you are allowing the Brexshit stuff to cloud your judgement. May has parked the bus in the middle ground, spent most of her recent speeches advocating a more active role of government etc.

There has been no lurch, just a subtle repositioning to the centre.v

Edit: I wil give you grammar schools but she quickly backtracked/denied the naming and shaming of foreign workers. As a counter, how many Toties do you hear concluding their assessment of QE in terms of increased inequality???

Another flawed narrative.

Left/right/centre meaninglessness.

She has positioned herself as an anti-immigration populist nativist in favour of more powers and control for the state.

This is very popular right now, and so, I can see why you might call it "the centre", but really, no one who's considered putting it in any historical or political context would really say it so.

How about we call her "less liberal" than her predecessor, rather than try and work out where on a simple left/right spectrum she is? You can then see why the "liberal elite" might be suspicious of her "lurch" and why others might consider her to have "common sense" policies. I'm far from being part of any elite, but can see a lurch of an illiberal kind being signposted by May and other key Tories in recent months... you probably can as well.

Technically not and practically not

Well as we know the terms 'left' and 'right' mean lots of different things, but yes as you correctly point out she has moved to the centre in terms of government intervention.

In any case, whatever she's lurched towards with the anti-parlimentary stance and anti-immigration, she's definitely done it.

huge lurch to the right - are you serious?

As Kimbers has pointed out, every single policy she's proposed, not to mention the general mood music, could have come straight from the lips of Farage.

To all intents and purposes, the Tory party has become UKIP. Worryingly, it seems like for a lot of them, thats all they ever wanted to be.

Personally I think that for an unelected PM she's dragging the government a LOT further to the right, than the manifesto they won the last GM on. And with a majority now of only 11, the potential to come unstuck is pretty high

Hence her not wanting any parliamentary debate on Brexit, and certainly no vote. She knows full well she can't even get this present uber-nationalist, far right, la-la-land nonsense past her own backbenchers. Well... the sane ones. Who hopefully number enough to cancel out her tiny majority

As Kimbers has pointed out, every single policy she's proposed, not to mention the general mood music, could have come straight from the lips of Farage.

To all intents and purposes, the Tory party has become UKIP. Worryingly, it seems like for a lot of them, thats all they ever wanted to be.

Personally I think that for an unelected PM she's dragging the government a LOT further to the right, than the manifesto they won the last GM on. And with a majority now of only 11, the potential to come unstuck is pretty high

Well at least the last sentence is factually correct.

The Brexit debate has nothing to do with RW v LW (yawn). It is a different issue altogether.

You can try and pretend that you arent a closet leftie THM, but we all know the truth

I agree with you to a certain degree Hurty.

Its a realignment within the Tory party. Most of his backbenchers (from their blue rinse constituencies) hated Dave, and his namely pamby Notting Hill liberalism (GAY MARRIAGE?!!!!!! WHAAAAAT?!!!!) but tolerated him as they knew that the Nasty Party couldn't get elected on its hang 'em and flog 'em agenda, which the (centrist) electorate had repeatedly rejected.

But with the Referendum result, they were able to effectively mount a coup, without having to put it to the electorate, who would reject it once again, even post referendum.

But even given that, the way that May has been busily airbrushing out anything and everything that her predecessor did has been quite dramatic.

You say they've not tacked to the right, but in a lot of areas right-wing and illiberal mean much the same thing.

In some areas, not so much. Like in traditional Labour northern constituencies, who are very socially conservative on a lot of issues, and equally as hostile to Dave's (and now Corbyn's) metropolitan liberalism

I am as leftie as wee nippy (thx duckie for that one!!) 😉

As before, I think LW/RW tags are meaningless as this thread is currently showing!

I prefer the authoritarian/libertarian axis personally!

Hence her not wanting any parliamentary debate on Brexit, and certainly no vote

Apart from the fact the Government has not only confirmed the former will happen and then made good on it with 7 hours of time in the Commons spent debating Brexit the week before last and no doubt many hundreds of hours still to come.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-10-10/debates/6CE5F6BB-3AA4-4332-BF7A-577DB35BDB77/NextStepsInLeavingTheEuropeanUnion

Its true that due to unforeseen circumstances we have some more RW MPS in positions of power, but this is effective due to Brexshit. But I see more evidence that May herself is positioning the Tories in the centre ground that your comments above would suggest.

I am less concerned that she was unelected and more concerned that Fox and Bojo have got where they are despite giving plenty of reasons for why they should be blocked from high office - possibly any office.

She did everything in her power to stop a debate taking place, and she'll do everything in her power to make sure that parliament gets nowhere near the Brexit negotiations with anything as inconvenient as democratic oversight

This Taking Back Control lark is great isn't it? I really feel liberated

I am less concerned that she was unelected and more concerned that Fox and Bojo have got where they are despite giving plenty of reasons for why they should be blocked from high office - possibly any office.

agreed,
I see Gove is trying to shoehorn himself back into the news, Im sure hes waiting for the next ministerial position to open up 😮

Don't see any coverage in UK press but I am told EU Commission has announced that due "exceptional" circumstances certain countries (ie on the migrant routes) would be able to reintroduce full border controls. Formally tecognising that the Schengen system can't cope. All very late but what has been required for years. Of course this is just a rubber stamp on what EU members have been doing for some time to secure their borders in breach of EU regulations.

In other news head of WTO has said trade will of course continue. That the UK is already a member of the WTO (ie does not have to "re-join" as Remainers suggested) and it's trade arrangements will transition as required. He said he expects no major rediction in trade as a result of Brexit

Formally tecognising that the Schengen system can't cope

Didn't you say earlier that the EU never changes and can't adapt?

Parliament will not be part of detailed negotiations in the same way Parliament doesn't discuss military strategy. It is (was) not a legal requirement to consult Parliament in the event of a decision to use military force. Brexit process is consistent with that.

All this Parliamentary debate/vote stuff is an attempt to subvert Democracy

of course trade will continue, it's just that we have now made it more difficult and more costly. Odd then that BSers seem to delight in negative news from the EU. That is self-defeating.

He do not say that we do not have to rejoin. He merely said that the rejoining process would be straightforward. And his comments in trade were about the likelihood of a "seizure" in trade which is obviously not going to happen.

All this Parliamentary debate/vote stuff is an attempt to subvert Democracy

Even by your standards Jammers, thats priceless. Just read it back to yourself, and have a think about that statement for a second 😆

Didn't you say earlier that the EU never changes and can't adapt

🙂

Well they are not changing are they, they are retroactively and temporarily "approving" the illegal behaviour of member states 😯

Those EU 3rd Party export rules are going to be a right old kick in the gonads for UK manufacturing. blimey what a ****ing mess!

All this Parliamentary debate/vote stuff is an attempt to subvert Democracy

So discussing issues and voting on them is anti-democratic now?

[url= http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control/index_en.htm ]http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control/index_en.htm[/url]

You mean this?

Read the date

I thoroughly enjoyed typing it binners, along with my EU elite tag earlier. We had an explicit clear Referendum question, the result of which the Opposition accepted and Corbyn said should be acted upon immediately wrt Article 50

By the way on May's remarks she said companies [b]may[/b] leave the UK in the event if Brexit. Of course they may leave if we stay. It's such a catch-all word

Well they are not changing are they, they are retroactively and temporarily "approving" the illegal behaviour of member states

They previously had one rule now they have a different rule. How is that not changing?

As an aside, currently having some protracted negotiation and planning with regards a Swiss work permit, needed for working for the Swiss branch of my employer. It costs money apparently and takes either 4-6 weeks or 2 weeks depending on which type of permit I go for. And for the 2 week one I have to state the exact days I am going to be there. Problem is, we don't know and we were planning to simply travel as needed. So we will have to commit to travel when we might not want to when the time comes. It's very inflexible.

Compared to when I went to EU countries when I simply had to book tickets, it's a major project ballache. This is what 'control' looks like and it's a bit shit. n It doesn't help our economy, it hinders it.

Apparently (according to the mp on r4) EU companies who use british made components in their supply chain will be unable to export out of the EU If we leave the EU (Hard Brexit that is).

Formally recognising that the Schengen system can't cope

Not sure the architects of the Schengen system ever envisioned 1,000,000 people fleeing for their lives.

Stop talking utter rubbish Jamba

Could well be MrMo as that's the list of coubtries - the wife saw it reported yesterday hence my post. I am aware the French suspended Shengen post Charlie Ebdo / Hyper Kacher 18 months ago and have since extended the suspension a number of times.

Well they are not changing are they

of course the EU changes and evolves, just another BSer myth

heres 100 amendments from the last month or so of EU legislation changes
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/amendments.html

@Pigface two things, well they should have considered it (in my view they did hence the Dublin agreement which has been ignored) and secondly a very large portion (the majority in my view) are not fleeing for their lives. Germany has said Afghanistan is safe for example

But it was announced a while ago. Nothing new, circumstances always cause change. All brexit will do is create new opportunities smuggling of people and goods and associated losses and costs for policing

a very large portion (the majority in my view) are not fleeing for their lives.

Interesting you bring that up...

[i]Apparently (according to the mp on r4) EU companies who use british made components in their supply chain will be unable to export out of the EU If we leave the EU (Hard Brexit that is). [/I]

Eh? That doesn't make sense, nor is it enforceable really.

the majority in my view

Means diddly squat

The Dublin agreement: again would of been swamped by the sheer numbers. the numbers of displaced people is unprecedented.

If you think Afghanistan is safe then please go be a tourist there.

Germany has said Afghanistan is safe for example

Yep...looks safe to me too. I was thinking of booking a holiday there next year

Hence her not wanting any parliamentary debate on Brexit, and certainly no vote.

Apart from the fact the Government has not only confirmed the former will happen and then made good on it with 7 hours of time in the Commons spent debating Brexit the week before last and no doubt many hundreds of hours still to come.

Apparently (according to the mp on r4) EU companies who use british made components in their supply chain will be unable to export out of the EU If we leave the EU (Hard Brexit that is).

Eh? That doesn't make sense, nor is it enforceable really.

Its all about the trade and customs compliance....

I would imagine it would only matter for a limited number of products but you need to list all of the suppliers locations and end users... It is all thoroughly dull but if you withdraw from a system and do not re-establish your position at the same time you will not be in compliance so the system will reject your export...

I would doubt this would happen as we are not on the fringes of the system as it stands now but it is just another thing to crush the soul of your logistics people...

I wonder how many things will go completely tits up when companies simply edit the list of EU countries in their systems to exclude the UK, and they'll get access denied all over the place.

In fact, I wonder how many systems will need to be re-worked to implement new processes both in the UK and rEU? Could be interesting from a professional point of view for me.

I would imagine it would only matter for a limited number of products but you need to list all of the suppliers locations and end users.

Care to name some?

Wouldn't that include anything with encryption technology or has the law changed recently?

As import/export licenses were a nightmare for tech companies shipping outside the EU and wanted to deal with the US as encryption is covered by the same laws as munitions so if you **** it up and you didn't follow company processes you go to jail and if the processes were wrong the compliance officer goes to jail.

Could be interesting from a professional point of view for me.

Care to name some?

As a quick example anything that is considered dual use. So Military and other. Anything which can be used in Nuclear applications and a number of communications types. If a semiconductor is manufactured in the UK them placed in electronics in the EU then this could be an issue. For example mobile telephones are classed as transmitters in some countries so have restrictions on import and export and these can be due to their own restrictions as well as restrictions imposed by the component manufacturing countries..

Now we also talk about export as a concept. This does not need to be a physical product but can also be a conversation/email etc. So if I am in a meeting in the UK with someone from France I am exporting the content of that meeting to a French national even if they work in the UK.

It is a depressing reality....

As a quick example anything that is considered dual use

Which is covered by the waasenaar arrangement - something we signed up to as a nation and not as part of the EU.

If a semiconductor is manufactured in the UK them placed in electronics in the EU then this could be an issue

Export control doesn't give a damn about the EU. As you highlight, if I discuss controlled technology with a french national then I require an export licence (usually the OGEL). That has nothing to do with the EU and it won't change as a result of Brexit.

[list] french national then I require an export licence (usually the OGEL). That has nothing to do with the EU and it won't change as a result of Brexit

Is it an export licence to the EU or to France?

 

Fair play. Was the only reason I could see why we could have any issues as expressed by the MP on R4. Must be something else then..

I would say that my Recusal status is defined as EU person (UK Origin) and US person (workplace) and there is no differential by nationality within the EU. I am guessing this will have to be changed in the future though..

Its all about the trade and customs compliance....

I would imagine it would only matter for a limited number of products but you need to list all of the suppliers locations and end users... It is all thoroughly dull but if you withdraw from a system and do not re-establish your position at the same time you will not be in compliance so the system will reject your export...

I would doubt this would happen as we are not on the fringes of the system as it stands now but it is just another thing to crush the soul of your logistics people...

the point the MP was making is that say if you are a german exporter with the option of where to source your parts with say 18 month lead in time, it would be remiss of you not to consider your product may become ineligible for export due to Brexit even with a favourable pound position things may get tough for some manufacturing with the government non position.

As trade deals could always be subject to the whim of Westminster (no deal is guaranteed forever) this would be a potential problem for manufacturing no matter what the current government position.

sounds a bit crap really...

Awesome glass not just half full but truly overflowing with milk and honey optimism from the Telegraph: [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/the-surprising-destinations-where-your-pound-will-go-further/ ]Holiday destinations where the pound is still strong[/url]

Let's all go on holiday to Venezuela! It's only undergoing a little bit of social collapse. Or perhaps Nigeria? The opportunities abound!