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I'd be pointing your frustration at the political establishment in Europe instead of the electorate who voted to leave. The EU has been blindly following a path that hasn't been working. Anti EU sentiment is rife across Europe and yet they were unwilling to offer any real reforms. Juncker is a complete *&$% he's got his head so far up his own arse regarding the EU project. You just have to listen to the TV interview earlier where he was asked whether the UK's decision marks the end of the EU project. He replies no and walks out the room.Yeah, but they didn't **** have to be.
Flanagaj - not worrying, not depressed. Disappointed, yes, but mainly thinking about exacting revenge on people who are messing up the country I love. Whatever happens I will find it very difficult to forgive the leavers - and I'm not inclined to try at the moment.
It may take me some time and trust me you are so far down the list you have nothing to worry about - not in your arrogance that you would anyway.
It was my father by the way dying of lung cancer, but the point I was trying to make is that there isn't an alternative and we have to just accept and move forward. I can assure you that wallowing in self pity isn't going to help anyone.I should have mentioned that it is fairly amusing (in a very sick way) that someone on here is now using quotes from a wall of a hospice to try to make me feel better.Just to qualify that, I hate to think of the circumstances in which anyone should be visiting a hospice, so it is not a cheap shot, I promise.
I'd be pointing your frustration at the political establishment in Europe instead of the electorate who voted to leave. The EU has been blindly following a path that hasn't been working. Anti EU sentiment is rife across Europe and yet they were unwilling to offer any real reforms. Juncker is a complete *&$% he's got his head so far up his own arse regarding the EU project. You just have to listen to the TV interview earlier where he was asked whether the UK's decision marks the end of the EU project. He replies no and walks out the room.
Not without merit, that comment.
However, does pressing the nuclear button then hoping for the best constitute a reasonable course of action?
We were in a position to influence the EU whilst not being bound to the worst part of it (I.e. The Euro).
I wish the EU had remained a minimalist venture to ensure France and Germany didn't start taking pot shots at each other again and a loosely defined trading bloc. It didn't. That's a shame.
It still doesn't mean leaving was the best option, though.
I have just locked the doors. Just in case you change your mind.It may take me some time and trust me you are so far down the list you have nothing to worry about
I'll send you a postcard Genesis 🙂
It was my father by the way dying of lung cancer
Last time I was in a hospice was with my much loved uncle, also lung cancer - he died on Chrsitmas Day and ever since the day has not been the same on my Mum's side of the family.
I didn't mean 'amusing' in a side-splitting way, I meant as in bitterly ironic, as I hope I made clear.
Cheap shots of a personal nature are not my way of doing things.
Flanagaj - unless your one of the pro-quitting MPs then my idea of revenge is probably pretty tame. I am after all one of them lefty middle class types.
1 for me, applied for jobs in finland and barcalona already.
do like the irony of the outies holding the union jack.
And the backtracking gathers pace:
From earlier on the Big Decision, Conservative MEP and Leave campaigner Dan Hannan said there was no promise to reduce immigration by leaving the European Union.He told the programme that Vote Leave had "never said there is going to be some radical decline, that we're going to shut the door".
Mr Hannan said what people wanted was to know the government was in charge of how many people were coming in.
"We promised to control migration even that will take time - I don't want to build up expectations but that will happen," he said.
He said people are "not like three-year-olds" and they understand that nothing will change immediately.
I'm going to enjoy the moment when free movement + schengen is announced as the great new independence deal! 😆
He said people are "not like three-year-olds" and they understand that nothing will change immediately.
Of course, the exact opposite of what VL were saying up until yesterday!! Lessons learned...
What little faith I had in the logical intelligence of the English and Welsh populace was wiped out in a few short hours this morning. I was literally speechless in my incredulity at the outcome of the vote.
Not even "the experts" knew what would happen to this country in the event of an exit vote, yet the people we pay and vote in to make these decisions in an informed manner for us decided to offload their responsibility onto the common man. Look where it got them, and us.
Looking at the positives again - no need for UKIP anymore - silver linings and all...
Caught the end of Any Question on Radio - amazed at how one side was struggling so much - perhaps its the Lib Dem syndrome. Suddenly life changes when you are holding the reins and rhetoric (BS) is not enough. Like Hannan, Grayling has no answer on immigration and ironically cheering the Irish border situation - hmm.....how does that fit then???
This always cheers me up when I'm feeling peeved.
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The hottest weather girl on TV.
Well I've started by inviting my anti-Europe MP to resign on the grounds his constituency voted to stay.
It's a start.
torsoinalake - Member
And the backtracking gathers pace:From earlier on the Big Decision, Conservative MEP and Leave campaigner Dan Hannan said there was no promise to reduce immigration by leaving the European Union.
He told the programme that Vote Leave had "never said there is going to be some radical decline, that we're going to shut the door".Mr Hannan said what people wanted was to know the government was in charge of how many people were coming in.
"We promised to control migration even that will take time - I don't want to build up expectations but that will happen," he said.
He said people are "not like three-year-olds" and they understand that nothing will change immediately.
My exasperation-o-meter has just red lined.
I'm putting this iPad down now. Stating the bleeding obvious and meeting nothing but unfounded and desperate faux optimism is pissing me off.
It's not a flounce, I just know what is good for me.
I'm going to leave you with a nice football video from YouTube. I hope the leavers get the subliminal message.
Fancy starting a new country THM?
Fair enough. I think there are many politicians who nailed their colors to the mast and it went against them. I have admiration for those who fall on their sword and go gracefully.Well I've started by inviting my anti-Europe MP to resign on the grounds his constituency voted to stay.It's a start
Oh, that reminds me. Has anyone seen Gideon or is he hiding in his bedroom?
Good work on the Lucy pic Flan..... Certainly perked me up!
ATG 😀
Border contol #takecontrol will be simple: Scottish, N Irish, London and educated
Tempting (and I am a Brummie by birth!!) 😉
A couple of things I can’t get my head around:
1. Immigration seemed to be Leave’s trump card. Why didn’t Remain tackle it head on and explain to people who had genuine [to them], but perhaps misplaced, concerns, that it wasn’t the cause of their issues.
Just seen a couple of people on the news with stories of how they couldn’t get a house, while immigrants got one. Why didn’t the campaigners/local MP’s address these issues in a big and repetitive way. Get the right message across.
All I heard when anyone raised immigration as an issue on Question Time and the like, was the daft line that the NHS can’t manage without immigrants – I didn’t hear anyone saying stop all doctors and nurses coming from overseas.
People, who might have been ‘less educated’ or old, were just called racist, bigoted, ignorant, etc..
We have reaped what we’ve sown.
2. We are all doing the English down on these threads, but I’m reading that the EU leaders are now saying that this is a wake-up call, and they need to change to stop others leaving. Make it more accountable and fair. No more treaties and rules, etc. So it’s not just the English who are thinking this way. Staying in the EU is not seen as a no-brainer in a number of other countries. They want to 'make an example' of the UK to dissuade others from trying the same - Doesn't reek of confidence in your own product.
Let's go a little easier on the English [and Welsh]?
Also listened to Any Questions, like teamHM says the most depressing thing is the combo of back-tracking and no plan whatsoever. Euro President saying it has to go quickly for stability, got a feeling they'll push that to make it unpleasant to put off Fr-exit, N-exit etc.
Really just bollocks, spoken by bollock-heads to people who believe any old bollocks and peddled by papers who love bollocks.
And the backtracking gathers pace:From earlier on the Big Decision, Conservative MEP and Leave campaigner Dan Hannan said there was no promise to reduce immigration by leaving the European Union.
He told the programme that Vote Leave had "never said there is going to be some radical decline, that we're going to shut the door".
Mr Hannan said what people wanted was to know the government was in charge of how many people were coming in.
"We promised to control migration even that will take time - I don't want to build up expectations but that will happen," he said.
He said people are "not like three-year-olds" and they understand that nothing will change immediately.
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No problem fella. Glad I could be of assistance!Good work on the Lucy pic Flan..... Certainly perked me up!
Don't worry she's on ITV at lunchtimes. Set the recorder up before heading out to work.Ps cancelled my Sky when Lucy left
I'm in Wales and voted in - the phrase 'cutting off nose to spite face springs' to mind springs to mind in respect of those here who voted to leave.
The hottest weather girl on TV.
(Caution: bit sweary)
Thanks for the pretty girl picture Flanje...that's really making me feel less worried about a likely Loony Right Government cutting services, dismantling the NHS...not to mention ten years of economic chaos, Frankfurt replacing the City of London as the economic gateway to the world's largest market....oh, cutting taxes for the rich, that'll be handy..
Interesting quote - Nigel doesn't think a 52-48 finishes it.
Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.
Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
Goose and gander?
Come on Nige', you good old man of the people, stand by your convictions and campaign for a second referendum.
[quote=dickyhepburn ]Euro President saying it has to go quickly for stability, got a feeling they'll push that to make it unpleasant to put off Fr-exit, N-exit etc.
In a way he's right - but it's not our stability he's worried about, or even the stability of the economies of the other EU members, simply the stability of his beloved project. I suggest we refer him to Pressdram vs Arkell if he think's he's going to force us into leaving sooner than we want - ironically his attitude to this shows that we do still hold a significant amount of power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg
Jeez! You could rest your pint on that bootie.
Aracer - we always did hold significant power. Bizarrely, long term we've probably given up power, as we become a football for larger economies to kick around.
Like I said earlier, I don't really see what other options people have. Emigrate, riot, hit the bottle .. OR maybe just give it time and a decent leadership will prevail. Sorry, but I don't see an alternative. A democratic election was held and the public have spoken. Rightly or wrongly that's just the way it is.Thanks for the pretty girl picture Flanje...that's really making me feel less worried about a likely Loony Right Government cutting services, dismantling the NHS...not to mention ten years of economic chaos, Frankfurt replacing the City of London as the economic gateway to the world's largest market....oh, cutting taxes for the rich, that'll be hand
While the negotiations are going to be hard on us. The big realism thing they will have to face is that if the knacker the uk economy as a result it will most likely take out the eu too.
I just hope that the negotiations are sensible rather than being made an example of.
That's the fervent hope of a massively disappointed remain voter
Well I spent all day angry, really surprised myself. I've since had a few drinks and lapsed into "**** it dude let's go bowling". I suspect when I wake up tomorrow I will be livid all over again. this cycle may take some time to subside.
Agreed. If they decide to go heavy handed on the UK for voting out then a great many will feel that the EU is a dictatorship and one that you cannot reason with. I am hoping that it is the catalyst that starts about a long overdue reform of the establishment. I suspect a great many European citizens will be rather envious as to what was achieved today and the simmering resentment of the EU elites will only increase and just reinforce the message that change is required.I just hope that the negotiations are sensible rather than being made an example of.
flanagaj - Eso es muy bueno - start a weather-girl party and I'll vote for you
I've since had a few drinks and lapsed into "**** it [list]That's the spirit. Glad I'm not alone. Tomorrow's another day, albeit with a groggy head 🙁
Immigration seemed to be Leave’s trump card. Why didn’t Remain tackle it head on and explain to people who had genuine [to them], but perhaps misplaced, concerns, that it wasn’t the cause of their issues.
Just seen a couple of people on the news with stories of how they couldn’t get a house, while immigrants got one. Why didn’t the campaigners/local MP’s address these issues in a big and repetitive way. Get the right message across.
All I heard when anyone raised immigration as an issue on Question Time and the like, was the daft line that the NHS can’t manage without immigrants – I didn’t hear anyone saying stop all doctors and nurses coming from overseas.
People, who might have been ‘less educated’ or old, were just called racist, bigoted, ignorant, etc..
We have reaped what we’ve sown
This is a very valid point. The language used by Remain supporters towards Leave hardly did anything to engage them and give a chance to discuss did it? Call someone racist, a bigot, a knuckledragger, retarded or any number of other insults I saw banded around, and you can't then complain you've polarised them against you.
As I recall (and someone will correct me I'm sure) exports to the UK is 5% of the rest of Europe's economy, while exports to Europe is 15% of ours. I wonder where the power in the exit negotiations is going to be?
Of course if the percentages are wildly different, then the answer will be too.
The power of the people. You gotta love it. Appreciate the vote of confidence, but I need to have a think about my manifesto first.start a weather-girl party and I'll vote for you
