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And, as covered elsewhere, there’s a LibDem/Tory pact being considered in Scotland on a “stop the SNP” ticket.
Which, given their incompatible stances on Brexit sounds like bull of the highest order.
Given we had a labour / tory anti snp non aggression pact at the last general election that resulted in a dozen tory seats that kept the tories in government?
The sight of labour activists cheering tory wins was disgusting
There is also the labour party grouping - not corbynits by any means - led by Kinnoch that want Mays deal and are actively seeking a cross party deal with the tories on this.
Its not corbyn and the left thats the issue in labour its the labour right wing again with wrecking tactics
The problem with labour and the Conservatives is that they have internal wars going on that the general public isn't nessesarily aware of.
They need to consolidate or form new parties.. Otherwise the general public has no idea what they are voting for..
Its not corbyn and the left thats the issue in labour its the labour right wing again with wrecking tactics
Well, that group are right wing as in they conflate standing up for their working class voters with being anti-immigrant… but in other areas many are pretty left wing. Anyway, there are several in there I could never vote for, even if it meant them being beaten by a Conservative. Some have got very vitriolic about migrants recently, and anyone who seeks to stand up for them. Flint being one of the worst.
The Labour Party paradox.
We want socialism, but our socialism! We demand complete authoritarianism on the socialism!
On our terms! Anyone who doesn't like our authotiarian dictatorship isn't a true socialist!
I do wonder if toxic grandad actualy believes Brexit will be good for the UK workforce? Surely a Labour leader would want to keep / increase the amount of workers in full time paid employment , with more in unions . When all the indicators show a post brexit slump or full blown recession , riots, shortages , price increases which affect the low paid alot more , and increases their indirect tax burden .
Why not just stand up , be a leader and do something leader -ish . Something along the lines of saving us from ourselves.
"" Look Guys I know you voted leave, but you would all vote for a 2 day working week and a 5 day weekend in a referendum, or make every friday a Bank Holiday if it was up for votes. We cant have this guys , the economy will collapse, and as for the referendum suggesting a month off for xmas , I know you all voted for it but if we lose 7% of GDP the country wil be destroyed and you will be entering agreat 10 year recession, just leave it to us elected folks to get on trying to out best to keep you all employed and petrol in the pumps and food on the shelves. Thanks ""
Or get fit those bicycle clips and cycle off to your allotment on your really rubbish Dawes bike witha gel saddle and trim those runner beans, whistling the Great Escape, which I think he does after PMQ's most days
Or he could try to assemble a cross party consensus to stop no deal. accept a lot of compromises in doing so and struggle to hold his badly split party together - so badly split one side wants to revoke a50 while another group wants mays deal and a few want no deal. More than half his MPs are at odds with party policy ie want to leave with mays deal or no deal or want to revoke 150
Idiots the lot of them.
Corbyn's problem is the Blair years means half his party is Tory-lite.
Maybe they really need Vitriolic Great-Granddad...
But being Scottish, I'm enjoying watching the disintegration of the empire parties.
I did find it interesting that the no deal action of instantly dropping import tariffs to zero on Petrol made the U.K. refineries non-viable.
Looks like a bit of an oversight that one.
But being Scottish, I’m enjoying watching the disintegration of the empire parties.
What do you mean empire parties? You suggesting that the British Empire was an English thing?
Ah, we're clearly in for a little flurry of Cameron 'revelations' then. As if we didn't need more stirring but at least it will a good job of further destroying the Tory party in it's current form
ibDem/Tory pact being considered in Scotland on a “stop the SNP”
That sounds like a good way to ensure that the SNP gains seats, not loses them. If I were a LibDem or Tory voter in Scotland I would be aghast at the idea of a pact like that, and probably stay at home on polling day.
What do you mean empire parties? You suggesting that the British Empire was an English thing?
Steady...lower bayonets he may not be suggesting that 🙂
I always remember that my m8s greatsomething fought at Rorke’s drift(Zulu - Micheal Caine )and his stuffs at the Brecons museum when someone mentions empire.
So if a repolished and hastily renamed Bojo deal surfaces , fudging the NI backstrop by putting NI and Ireland in some regulatory alignment would parliament vote for it as its a deal and they’ve legalised for a deal so not voting for it seems a bit catch 22.
Do the parasitic scumbag traitor hedge funders still get their billions if there is a deal?
Will they actually end up out of pocket?
Please God let at least one of them go bankrupt .( Properly homeless bankrupt not down to their last 10 million.)
molgrips
What do you mean empire parties?
Unionist. UK.
would parliament vote for it
It still won't be Brexit enough for the ERG headbangers, and the opposition have a PM on the ropes so if there's even the tiniest chink of a reason not to support it they'll exploit that to force BoJo to go and ask for an extension. If he doesn't that's bad for him, if he does that's bad in the eyes of his devout followers.
So I reckon there's more chance of me winning the lottery than Boris getting a deal through parliament. And I don't even buy a ticket.
That depends on how many Labour MPs would rather see Freedom of Movement of Workers end, no matter what the cost… even if the price was keeping Labour out of government and giving Johnson the legacy he wants and needs to continue as PM for five years. I don’t think there are enough, but there is no way I’d bet on it.
I think it more likely to come down to, "is there another realistic option" other than a bojo deal or no deal brexit. I suspect that many moderates are now getting a bit twitchy about voting down any more deals and what the consequences of that might entail.
Corbyn’s problem is the Blair years means half his party is Tory-lite.
Well that's a part of the problem, but his biggest problem is that he has been an ineffectual leader, blinded in the glare of scrutiny, hypocritical in his democracy claims, failed to fight either the false claims of anti-semitism or deal with the genuine ones, and mainly on brexit has had to be pushed into what has always been too little too late.
I think it more likely to come down to, “is there another realistic option” other than a bojo deal or no deal brexit.
There is one that jumps immediately to mind...
There are around 70-100 labour brexiteer MPs - Ranging from the deluded Hoey who is an " Out at all costs" outright racist to the lexit deluded idiots like Stringer via the bulk of them too scared of racists in their constituencies and who had any leadership removed under Blair making them followers.
Then there is the 50+ who want a policy of revoke a50 now
Thats the labour issue - not the lies some of you believe about Corbyn.
Talking of deluded Lexiteer idiots, my local Momentum group is presently posting up Lexiteer claptrap like this
Former Brexit secretary and Boris Johnson backer David Davis has said the government may have a “legal strategy” to avoid extending Britain’s EU membership beyond October 31 – before saying he has “no idea what it is”.
Why is the BBC still giving this arsetrumpet airtime? He'd be out of his depth in a paddling pool.
A gentle reminder that whilst hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists and newspaper owners are playing their games, real people's actual lives are in the balance.
Project fear I suppose.
looks like the plan is simply suspend Parliament until November...
Cummings got away with breaking the law repeatedly during the referendum campaign and was then found in contempt of parliament with no censure either.
Looks like him and Boris think that that makes them above the law and they’ll just carry on with that approach
Christ only knows what those pair, backed by the ERG headbangers are cooking up. It’s bound to be a full-on assault on democracy, now it seems that nothing is off-limits in their determination to crash us out with no deal
That French woman could be me if I was still living in the UK.
20 years in the UK
Married to a british woman
3 kids.
Always employed
Home owner
No guarantee to be able to stay in the UK
Should be interesting next time I visit the UK(after 31st of October) , my French passport has got my UK address on it.
But being Scottish, I’m enjoying watching the disintegration of the empire parties.
I'm not convinced the answer to English nationalism is Scottish nationalism.
Even if parliament isn’t suspended, there are lots of tricks the government can use to run down what little parliamentary time there is at the end of October. Some might result in legal action… but even that could then be made to drag out past our exit date. If they want to play dirty, and have no fear of retribution after we have left (why should they), it’s going to be hard to stop them.
Its actually very easy to stop them now that the bill has been passed to make him ask for an extension. If he doesn't he is in contempt of court and goes straight to jail, senior civil servant asks for the extension in Johnsons name. Thats one way. the other is VONC, Johnsons government falls on the 19th. 2 weeks to find another government capable of having the confidence of the house - they ask for the extension
Once the Bill to force an extension was passed adn the election refused Johnson and cummings were left5 with no options that are legally acceptable.
and how long does it take to deal with the illegalities. You are assuming that Johnson and Cummings have any interest in following the law. Even a VONC will take us beyond the end of the month.
that £600,000 has to be earned.
If he is in contempt of court around 5 mins! Courts really do not like that sort of thing. He is legally bound to follow the law, if he doesn't he is arrested, charge adn off he goes.
Once there is a VONC Johnson cannot delay anything - he is out, parliament just needs somone who can pass a vonc
I have absolutely zero confidence that our legal system or constitution is in any way fit for an entire government that doesn’t give a flying **** about either
This is a far right coup.
If the Supreme Court rules that Johnson’s prorogation is legal, then I’d stick your house on him extending it into November
If he doesn’t he is in contempt of court and goes straight to jail
He's already said he'd rather be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. So I reckon he'll be fine about being jailed, revel in it even, a real people's hero. Thousands clamouring for his release outside the jail.
It needs parliament to sidestep Boris and request an extension, because parliament trumps the PM. But for that parliament has to decide to ask for an extension and mandate someone to make the request to the EU if Boris refuses. The EU is obliged to accept the request whether from Boris or parliament but is not obliged to grant the extension which is dependent on the agreement of 27 states.
Daily Fail 28/92019:
Boris freed by Brexit heroes!
charge adn off he goes.
which takes time, innocent until proven guilty, remember that the tories were in contempt of parliament and what happened. What exactly is the crime and the punishment for ignoring the Benn act.
There are c10 days. between breaking the law and Brexit day. in that time you need to find someone to move a VONC, win said motion, install a new PM etc etc etc.
And if he is in danger he could always suspend parliament or maybe make use of the those Henry 8th powers he was granted.
The EU is obliged to accept the request whether from Boris or parliament but is not obliged to grant the extension which is dependent on the agreement of 27 states.
Which I guess comes back to what is the point? Is the UK likely to come up with a plan if given more time.
I reckon he’ll be fine about being jailed, revel in it even, a real people’s hero. Thousands clamouring for his release outside the jail.
Ah yes. "FREE ARE TOMMY!"
mrmo - the plan is second referendum ( made more tricky by Swinson not playing)
Its like Jack with the family cow he's gonna come back with the magic beans on Halloween however meanwhile we have the the EU saying Scotland would get a favourable hearing for rejoining the EU if it went independent.
If it legally went independent. Details. Also just a committee.
It seems the brexiters are going after the RNLI now as they spend 2% of their budget teaching brown children how to swim.
Huff post
In response to the @MailOnline
& @thetimes
:we are proud of our international work. Its saves (mostly kids') lives. And we haven't kept it secret - it's in our annual report, on our website and in the media. We spend just 2% of our expenditure on this work
Makes you proud to British...[/sarcasm]
Bunch of racist ****ers.