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Boris lies coming back to haunt him or just pointless exercise?
Good timing though 😂
It's a solid case I think...
The second sentence on the bus 'let's give it to the NHS instead' was simply misleading as it was a suggestion rather than a promise or a statement of intention. So not technically a lie.
The first part of the sentence however! 'we give the EU 350m a week' is what the case cites, as abuse, as that's a gross figure before taking into account rebates and mutually beneficial expenditure that goes towards continental security, science projects, environmental projects and many other things that are hard to quantify in terms of gross UK membership fees.
Of course the right wing press won't mention that.
BoJo certainly won't, he's a disaster capitalist.
Anyone regognise this pequliar couple? They weren't happy being photographed together.
Johnson has certainly lost a bit of weight since then, and is dressing a bit more like a 'political person'
I guess he's employed a PR man! Claiming it all back on expenses of course.
Len McCluskey on Peston right now blowing up labours support from remainers.
The logical gymnastics to read Labour voters deserting them for the libdems last week are quite impressive, in a frankly bonkers Brexit at any cost kind of way....
Just watched it. Absolutely detached from reality to a truly terrifying degree.
After a general election (which labour will win a majority, obviously) “We will negotiate a deal with the E.U. which will unite the 52 and the 48%”
Erm... ok Len
Take a look at that 14% you just polled. That will be looking like a high watermark, you 1970’s *ing deranged Marxist dinosaur
And there’s no antisemitism in the Labour Party and everyone thinks Jeremy is just brilliant and destined for number 10
Sweet baby Jesus! He’s obviously been taking acid
It’s glaringly obvious who’s pulling the strings though. It’s not labour MP’s. It’s not labour members. It’s not labour (or probably now ex-labour) voters. It’s Seamus, Len and 1973)
You *ing Stalinist clowns!
Faced with the opportunity of a lifetime, with the Tory party in total meltdown, you’re busy making the Labour Party a laughable retro 70’s irrelevance...
All hail Reg and ‘the committee...
Meanwhile Jacob Mogg is saying that politician's should be allowed to lie to the public..
This is involving the courts in something that is not their area.
Isn't it interesting that the defence from most of these guys is "we should be allowed to lie and the courts should stay out of it" or "it's fine for us to lie, it's up to the public whether they believe the lies or not", and not "he didn't lie"
All the right wing press is united in its outrage this morning at the very concept of being held accountable for telling massive whoppers
What about all the labour figures arguing the other side? Simply ignored Binners?
Binners isn't really a fan of the nuanced approach...
Everyone other than a handful of nutters are ignored TJ. i se even John McDonnel has now been cast out as a non-believer, as they hunker down in the bunker. This on top of Paul Mason being denounced as a blasphemer for daring to question the Glorious Leader
An attack on Jeremy Corbyn’s advisers is an attack on Jeremy Corbyn
Very soviet, don't you think?
Clearly the people setting policy are mainly not even elected MP's. They're shady operators like Seamus 'Stalin wasn't that bad' Milne and Karie Murphy, and unreconstructed lumbering 70's tin-eared dinosaurs like Len McClusky and Ian Lavery
So much for restoring party democracy
With that shower at the helm, the labour party is screwed. Unfortunately, in the total absense of an opposition party, that means that at this present juncture, the country is too
Jeremy Corbyn has pledged that Labour will back a second referendum on any Brexit deal put to parliament, but warned of a “deliberately inflamed divide” as he sought to calm tempers among senior party figures.
The Labour leader, who is visiting Dublin to meet Irish taoiseach Leo Varadkar on Thursday, said his party would “do whatever is necessary to stop a disastrous no-deal outcome” and said Labour would work across party lines to block a new Brexiter prime minister who could crash the UK out of the EU.
“Faced with the threat of no deal and a prime minister with no mandate, the only way out of the Brexit crisis ripping our country apart is now to go back to the people,” he said, speaking ahead of his visit to Ireland.
“Let the people decide the country’s future, either in a general election or through a public vote on any deal agreed by parliament. For Labour any outcome has to work for our whole country, not just one side of this deliberately inflamed divide.”
Just conveniently ignored Binners?
Actually Binners these folk you highlight actually have little power and CANNOT set policy
Erm.. they are doing, in case you've missed it
This guy can set policy
And he's either really stupid or just plain lying
https://twitter.com/IrishTimesPol/status/1133814279084232705?s=19
Red unicorns
No wonder people are deserting labour, too scared to tell voters the truth
Nope - they are not. Get your facts right. They have no power nor authority to set policy.
Anyway... more great news brought to you by the 'B' Word that HM official opposition refuse to oppose, that'll com as great news to the voters they laughably claim to represent
These don't mention the tractor production figures but I'm sure they're simply wonderful, comrade
Kimbers - apart from the unfortunate fact for you that the EU have made it perfectly clear a change of government with different red lines could renegotiate a much differnt deal.
Jeepers guys - at least make the attacks vaguely based on fact.
Or the ones drawn onto the backs of the socialist unicorns?
Jean-Claude Juncker said he was "crystal clear" there will be no renegotiation of the Brexit deal, despite claims from several candidates in the U.K. Conservative leadership race that they will reopen talks with Brussels.
Thats with the tories as they have the same red lines!
They have made it perfectly clear that if the red lines change so does the deal!
THE EUROPEAN UNION’S chief Bexit negotiator Michel Barnier has warned that the risk of a no-deal Brexit is now greater than ever before after the British parliament resoundingly defeated the withdrawal deal last night.
Speaking in the European Parliament, Barnier said the EU “profoundly” regrets the result of the vote in the House of Commons.
“We are 10 weeks from the 31st of March and at 10 weeks the risk of a no deal has never seemed so high,” he said in Strasbourg.
The French politician defended the Brexit deal but said that the EU is willing to reopen talks if London is willing to change its existing “red lines”.
So that is two direct quotes that show how false your position is. Don't let your hatred of Corbyn blind you to the reality. Which is a badly split party and country and no outcome that can satisfy all
so labour are moving to second ref with Corbyn agreeing with this and Barnier states that the deal can be renegotiated with differnt red lines.
The negotiating team at the EU end are moving on to different job bs, that phase of the process is done, the EU are moving on.
It was written into the extension agreement that there can be no renegotiation of the deal. Macron in particular was insistent on that.
It's the Future Relationship or bust for us now
Whatever you say, Uncle Jezza. Everything clearly going to work out great in red-unicornland and they'll build little beardy statues of the glorious leader all over the socialist republic of Englandshire
Withdrawal Agreement is closed. They are not going to change it for a new PM, be that Dominic Raab or Jeremy Corbyn. This is why Labour and the Conseratives are getting rinsed. They are incapable of telling the hard truths, and instead think that Farage fantasy politics are the way to go.
Link below is timestamped to the good bit - it's worth watching the whole thing though:
The EU27 agreed to delay to Brexit until 31 October (at the latest) – but with conditions:
The UK must participate in European Parliament elections in May. The Prime Minister also recognised this.
The UK must respect the principle of “sincere cooperation”. This means the UK cannot obstruct or undermine EU institutions or discussions in other areas.
There would be no renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement.
As ever we can change the political declaration but we cannot renegotiate the deal
Don't be coming on an EU Brexity thread with your facts and reality! Theres no place for that sort of nonsense here!
Remember when Tusk said 'dont waste the extension'
Well we've got a Tory leadership contest where every one of them says they can renegotiate the deal, Corbyn pining for a GE he can't get, so he can renegotiate the deal, oh & a Peterborough by-election where fear of farage means these clowns will keep pushing the same unicorns rather than be honest with the electorate....
All that followed by a summer recess, a state visit from trump , before you know it it's Halloween & we're out on our arses.
Very soviet, don’t you think?
Binners your obsession with the internal debates of the labour party is unhealthy, calm down man! I'd be more concerned if there wasn't a robust debate going on within the labour party, it is after all a broad coalition of people from entirely different cultures and backgrounds. The soviet thing would be if there was no debate at all. McCluskey*, Lavery et al represent the white, industrial working class side of the party, Mason, McDonnell, Thornberry etc the metropolitan and multi-ethnic side (McDonnell's in the middle somewhere I reckon). Those two groups are never going to agree on anything, let alone brexit. Corbyn has the invidious job of being in the middle trying to keep a lid on it and holding it all together. So far he's done a decent job, but it's threatening to spill over into all out warfare.
It's very amusing though that you continue using that picture of Reg from the PFJ. You're right, the main failing of the left is that they prefer fighting each other than the real enemy. In that regard you fit the stereotype perfectly. 🙂
*And for the record, McCluskey is an idiot. The trouble is though that unions are by definition a conservative construct. They cannot accept changing with the times because that's invariably bad for their members. I once went to a union organised march in Manchester after the banking crisis. One of the speakers was some dinosaur from the NUM who's entire speech was about reopening the pits (whilst a young man stood behind him in a red t-shirt held his fist in the air :-)). That and a short stint working for a county council opened my eyes to the unions. They're archaic organisations in desperate need of radical reform. So best just to ignore them I think.
Jeepers guys – at least make the attacks vaguely based on fact
Facts? grasping at straws is what it is!.
Corbyn is unelectable, Labour are in disarray, they haven't a clue what to do never mind how to actually bloody go about it.
I live in a working class area, have been in Engineering since I left school, surrounded by sparks, scaffolders, fitters, all union led, and no one would vote for these idiots at present.
Does that not ring alarm bells in your red tower?.
and no one would vote for these idiots at present
Care to elaborate why? (genuinely interested btw)
Are you asking people to repeat the last few hundred pages @dazh?
multi-ethnic side
That's quite telling… that you'd think there is a "side" to the Labour Party that is multi-ethnic. Can I vote for that side, please?
I think the reasons are many tbh, not having a well publicised, defined stance on brexit is definitely high up the list, backstabbing and resignations over the last year also suggests a party that isn't united, and SNP have filled the left of centre void up here.
I'm sure there's many other reasons tbh.
Edit - oh, and the guy in charge up here, Richard something or other (that's how much of an impression he's made) is an embarrassment, he has actually managed to make Kezia Dugdale seem half decent.
Did anyone see Newsnight last night? There was a really interesting piece on that even more forgotten and maligned voter than the Labour type... the Tory remainer
They were interviewing some focus groups of lifelong Tory voters and pointing out that in all the talk about defections to Farage there are also a fair old chunk of Tory voters who voted remain, in overwhelmingly remain voting constituencies and who also feel totally politically homeless and disenfranchised by the rabid anti-EU '**** business!' direction of the party
They are now turning to the Lib Dems ad even the Greens as they feel, like the former labour voters, who also voted for those parties, that they have to do that to protest about being unrepresented by their former party. Hence them only getting 9% of the vote
Its gave some figures and showed how the Tories need to be equally as worried by swings away from them to the Lib Dems as to the Brexit Party on the right, and that they'd lose a lot of seats to them
If there were a general election tomorrow, the results could be even more bonkers than the EU elections. I don't think theres a cat in hells chance anyone would come out of it with a working majority. It could be a proper hung parliament, with both labour and the tories losing seats in both directions to the lib dems and farages nutters. Seats divided across 4 parties? God only knows where that would leave us given the chaos we're in already
Big swings to LibDem from the Tories (as well as Labour) in Tory heartlands in both the local elections and last week. Check out the constituencies of key ERG members… very telling. Avoiding a general election this year will be vital for any new Tory leader. I think they'll fail at that though. How many PMs will we get this year? Strong and stable. Chaos with Ed Miliband.
and no one would vote for these idiots at present
(genuinely interested btw)
Let's start with the denial stage first. We've just had an election. No one voted for her majesty's loyal opposition, with the ruling party in utter utter disarray.
If you can accept that that happened, perhaps that implies they may not be playing an absolute blinder, and could perhaps at least consider a significant change of strategy?
Re newsnight piece
Nice to see Graham Brady, Altrincham sale west MP was one of those Tories predicted to lose his seat with a lib dem swing
Was the other one the Harrogate MP?
Although I'm not sure about the source for the very precise figures they gave
Surely surely JRM is on a sticky wicket? <goes off to look at 2017 figures>
That’s quite telling… that you’d think there is a “side” to the Labour Party that is multi-ethnic.
Telling of what? I hope you're not trying to insinuate something. If you are then just come out and say it.
Did anyone see Newsnight last night?
I saw a pissed Matt Hancock slurring away his leadership ambitions like he was Ben Swain. It was so funny I watched it twice.
If you can accept that that happened, perhaps that implies they may not be playing an absolute blinder, and could perhaps at least consider a significant change of strategy?
Aye, but... Northern Heartlands. You can ignore the other 90% of the electorate.
Surely surely JRM is on a sticky wicket?
Local elections were interesting…
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/live-local-election-results-2019-2827260
Telling of what?
That you see one "side" of the Labour Party as multi-ethnic, and the other side as being not. I'd never considered that, and my initial reaction is that you're dead wrong. I'm going to ponder on it a bit though, always happy to see a fresh angle… feel free to elaborate on what you mean, if you feel like it.
as it’s the exact opposite of what they’ve doen when in power or failed to do when in power:
If he was another Blair clone, you know the sort that Binners gets all excited about, you might have a point with this statement. As it stands though its absolute rubbish. You cant hold him accountable for the actions of the previous Labour government as shit as they might be. Thats the entire point of recalibrating the Labour party so it isnt tory lite to persuade the swing voters.
No fees and gtrants for the poor paid for by the fees imposed on the rich – self funding universities funded by the rich. So I disagree with free fees for all.
A tad populist policy there from you. The primary issue would be what counts as rich? Whilst I do sort of agree that a sliding scale of support would be preferential I dont think you would be able to bill the rich enough to pay for everyone else.
Housing, again the ideas are great but their propositions for funding it are nonsense
Okay. How is it? Remember how much money we are spaffing up the wall thanks to the tories and new labours selling off the housing cheap for it to be rented back expensively.
We don’t need to fuel houses you idiots
If only that was part of their housing policy along with increasing use of renewables. Oh it is.
No one voted for her majesty’s loyal opposition, with the ruling party in utter utter disarray.
A cursory look shows that some people did. Also it isnt like Labour doesnt have its own divide over Brexit so the disarray argument seems rather flawed.
Who are these people going to vote for?
Don't you mean who did they vote for? Check out last week's results. Or the local election results. A big chunk of voters can be won back before a snap General Election… or fingers can stay firmly pushed deep into ears. Time for Labour MPs & members to get a grip on Brexit policy, and sideline Lavery, Milne, Murry, McCluskey & co.
Don’t you mean who did they vote for?
I am interested in these specific examples. If they dont want to vote for a party in disarray then who are they going for?
Bearing in mind the tensions within the other parties which havent really kicked off since they are too small or able to focus at the moment.
SNP, Greens, LibDem, Plaid Cymru, ChangeUK.
None of them will become the biggest party across the UK, but they will prevent a majority Labour (or Conservative) government. If the parliamentary Labour Party doesn't want to be smaller after the next General Election than it is now, it needs to get a grip on policy (with the help of members).
(I have a strong suspicion we can mostly ignore ChangeUK, although an electoral pact might help a few keep their Westminster seats).
So the EU state that the Withdrawal agreement cannot be changed or renegotiated regardless of whose in government in the UK ,as some on here contend .Our parliament won't ratify the Withdrawal agreement or agree to a " no deal" exit then basically we can't ever leave the EU.Is the EU a European Kafakaesque equivalent of Hotel California?