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Injecting a little (black) humour, does that clip plus him crying over spilt milk in Newcastle remind anyone of John Cleese teaching recruits how to defend themselves against someone coming for them with a piece of fruit?
And yes Cleese did resort to pulling a gun. But that was Monty Python not real life.
Surely Corbyn will be thinking of another 'no confidence' vote in the govt. I don't think its te right thing to do; but I'd say if he was ever goign to get enough tory rebels then now woudl be the time
British Steel's collapse one the eve on Euro elections, in part, thanks to Brexit- putting 25,000 jobs at risk in pro-leave areas ought to kill off any support for Brexit, but common sense left this country a long time ago
It ought also be a massive kick in the backside to Labour to get off the freaking fence
We had the campaign and referendum 3 years ago! That was the time for arguing and justifying. Move on, you lost!
grimep
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We had the campaign and referendum 3 years ago! That was the time for arguing and justifying. Move on, you lost!
I think youll find the workers at British Steel have lost
Ill take it you have no answers to the questions youve been asked then
fortunately we live in a democracy and I get to keep asking questions of government & policy, no matter how much you'd like to shut that down.
grimep
We had the campaign and referendum 3 years ago! That was the time for arguing and justifying. Move on, you lost!
Correct. Three years ago we lost, the other lot won (actually 99% of them lost too they just haven’t realised yet).
Time to move on.
I have. I’m now trying to make sure we don’t leave. Whereas the Brexies are still stuck sometime around summer 2016.
You won that round. Get over it.
PS - please let grimep be a contraction of Grimsby MEP.
PPS - what do you think of the Brexit Now Party’s leader advocating gun violence?
We had the campaign and referendum 3 years ago! That was the time for arguing and justifying. Move on, you lost!
It was mainly a time of bare faced lying. Lies, lies, and more lies.
Move on, you lost!
What! When I've got the rest of my life for taking revenge and taking the Mickey. 🙂 I'll be voting for the pro-EU party least likely to be handing out cake if ever Brexit happens (EM then) and it gets to trying to negotiate a trade deal.
It's hasn't happened yet and even if it does that's just the start.
the Brexies are still stuck sometime around summer
20161852.
Fify...
Cruel Fadda, cruel. 😄
I first typed 1952, but I went further when I though about this apparent yearning for the days of the empire, when everything was so perfect....
British Steel’s collapse one the eve on Euro elections, in part, thanks to Brexit- putting 25,000 jobs at risk in pro-leave areas ought to kill off any support for Brexit, but common sense left this country a long time ago
They are already blaming the EU for this, state aid rules and all that nonsense.
And of course in those days donning khaki and grabbing a rifle was acceptable behaviour for public school boys like Farage.
Only uniforms probably were khaki then.
“Off on a peasant shoot mother, back soon”
“He did say pheasant didn’t he?”
Please note I’m not really suggesting that Farage supports shooting the working classes (at least not those who aren’t armed with milkshakes).
Strong argument grimep
Were you expecting more?
Remainers biggest failings which is still happening is to try and use reason, and facts in arguments with these people, and then stupidly expect the same back.
You cannot reason with the unreasonable, then it will have to come to blows, or watch your country disappear down a populist toilet.
What do yous think of this as newish take on campaigning?
https://www.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/watch-mep-candidate-ben-gilroys-hurleysmashing-campaign-video-goes-viral-38132525.html
We had the campaign and referendum
3 years agoin 1972! That was the time for arguing and justifying. Move on, you lost!
Oh wait, apparently if there's a referendum result you don't like, you can spend the next 40 years actively campaigning to have it reversed, so that's OK.
@molgrips - that New Yorker article is fascinating, cheers for the link. Everyone should go read it.
Seems an apt time to remind everyone of the advantages of Killfile Non Bio. Banishes all germs and grime(p) and leads to a more satisfying user experience.
Keep you forum clean with Killfile Non Bio.
Danny as much as I appreciate the Killfile would be a great thing, to not be able to see the other side leaves this place as an echo chamber with very limited viewpoints and gives an biased view of the world outside. Much better to let them in to your world to give a more balanced perception of what's going on. Even if it would be better as a 50/50 reasoned debate rather than the usual Brexiteer's ridiculous, jingoistic nonsense.
They were interviewing folks from the Borders on Radio Scotia this morning, I was listening whilst running to work, the ignorance levels were incredible, off the scale.
The less than happy ex-little England Tory voters residing in the area are now considering voting for Farage instead, as 'at least he's a man of his word'....
Jesus wept.
Banishes all germs and grime(p) and leads to a more satisfying user experience.
You mean it makes it even more of an echo chamber. If you simply ignore those with whom you disagree you're part of the problem.
None of the potential leadership contenders bothered to turn up for PMQ's, preferring to work on their campaigns instead. Even Chris Grayling stayed away. Which will obviously be triggered when they all vote against her deal again. If it ever gets voted on. Which now looks questionable
Jezza managed to stay consistent and avoid mentioning the war again. So the day before the EU elections, both party leaders didn't mention the elephant in the room that is the 'B' word. Not that its very important, or owt?
Its no wonder Farage is doing so well with such utterly spineless political cowardice on display from people who's job title apparently includes the word 'leader'
May is going to now detail how her bill has changed in 'bold, new' ways as she attempts to stick lipstick on a pig yet again
I imagine I'm not in the Daily Telegraph's demographic,being under 80 and not a retired general but today's headline nailed it.Link courtesy of the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/22/desperate-deluded-doomed-what-the-papers-say-on-mays-new-brexit-deal
Tomorrow will be a good day, tomorrow will be good good day ... (the music in the background whoever the band is ...)
Coz it's 2019 European elections ...
I will just have to drink more coffee if I can wait for the result.
Oh ya ... I have already voted for Brexit Party ...
If you simply ignore those with whom you disagree you’re part of the problem.
Not really. Just blocking trolls who pop in, drop a less than five word trolling post and won’t engage any further is just, well, denying trolls the attention they seems to need (for whatever sad reason).
I haven’t Killfiled dazh, for example as he tries (and god bless him he does try) to defend the indefensible and often ends up tying himself up in amusing knots in doing so.
Engage, spell out your position and justify it, and there is no need for a Killfile.
Get aggro when it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny and start effing and blinding then the mods will hand out a holiday.
Just troll every so often for kicks - be ignored/killfiled.
I have already voted for Brexit Party
Great, was it their policy on the environment, taxation, workers rights, health or education that swung it for you. Or will you 'know what you voted for' when that becomes plain after the fact, like so many No Deal advocates are claiming now?
Not really. Just blocking trolls who pop in, drop a less than five word trolling post and won’t engage any further is just, well, denying trolls the attention they seems to need (for whatever sad reason).
Exactly. grimes is clearly just a troll and adds no alternative view. Notice how they haven't answered the good questions asked (twice) and they never will.
I don’t think they’re stupid at all. The fact that they don’t trust politicians to act in their interests shows a level of understanding which seems lost on many who claim to be informed. Brexit is confirming all their prejudices and instincts, and the result, just as history has shown time and again, will be populist snake oil salesman rising to power.
Rabid suspicion has nothing in it of skepticism. The suspicious mind believes more than it doubts. It believes in a formidable and ineradicable evil lurking in every person. - E. Hoffer. The True Believer.
In a way, you are right. Politicians have forgotten the basic concepts taught by Hoffer when dealing with keeping the proles happy.
It has often been said that power corrupts. But it is perhaps equally important to realize that weakness, too, corrupts. Power corrupts the few, while weakness corrupts the many. Hatred, malice, rudeness, intolerance, and suspicion are the faults of weakness. The resentment of the weak does not spring from any injustice done to them but from the sense of inadequacy and impotence. We cannot win the weak by sharing our wealth with them. They feel our generosity as oppression. St. Vincent De Paul cautioned his disciples to deport themselves so that the poor "will forgive them the bread you give themb- Hoffer....again.
It's almost as if people worked out how to deal with political mentalists 60 years ago. Who'd have thought.
Oh ya … I have already voted for Brexit Party …
Not really been keeping up with what's going on BREXIT wise - so can someone explain a couple of things to me please.
May's new deal - if voted through also includes an allowance for Parliament to vote on whether we should have another referendum?
Isn't this basically so she can get them to pass it and then say "I delivered a deal - but the rest of Government wants to have a re-count"
I have become ambivalent to BREXIT and politics as the elected representatives feel it's ok to push their own agenda and not what their constituents or country voted for.
So if they back May's deal can we guarantee that there will be another vote? If there is I think it'll be to remain.
But if we do remain I think we need to look long and hard at our relationship with the EU.
I take it you don't have any answers...
Move on, you lost
F@@@ me, it doesn't take long, does it?
So if they back May’s deal can we guarantee that there will be another vote? If there is I think it’ll be to remain.
No. If they back May's deal there will be a vote (in parliament) on whether to have another vote (2nd ref). That vote won't go through because not enough Labour or Tory MPs want a 2nd ref, hence no 2nd ref.
I have become ambivalent to BREXIT and politics as the elected representatives feel it’s ok to push their own agenda and not what their constituents or country voted for.
Country didn't vote FOR anything specific.
Great, was it their policy on the environment, taxation, workers rights, health or education that swung it for you. Or will you ‘know what you voted for’ when that becomes plain after the fact, like so many No Deal advocates are claiming now?
Nope, the decision is mine with no influence from any political parties at all ... I don't need anyone to decide for me really.
From day one since Referendum, Bureaucracy (EU bureaucratic system) has swung it for me or the creation of an even large one.
The argument for and against bureaucracy have been going for centuries unfortunately the cycle now, for me, is to anti-bureaucracy. EU bureaucratic system is just a system that needs dismantling.
Of course there is not the same level of bureaucracy in the UK, after we have left. Who are you going to vote for then - which party is the anti-bereaucracy party?
Someone a bit further up mentioned religion - I joined a few of the Pro-brexit groups on Facebook. The similarities to the flat earthers & conspiracy theorists are remarkable.
As for the Brexit Party - anyone who is dumb enough to vote for them really doesn't deserve to have a vote.
The argument for and against bureaucracy have been going for centuries unfortunately the cycle now, for me, is to anti-bureaucracy. EU bureaucratic system is just a system that needs dismantling.
this where your argument eats itself, brexit has created more bureaucracy than ever before
this is why that voting for farage will only leave you more dissapointed, but hey, its your choice!
The similarities to the flat earthers & conspiracy theorists are remarkable.
Somethigng I've noticed too. The two lexiteers I know - a weird breed - also believe a lot of preposterous nonsense such as Mossad being behind 9/11
Of course there is not the same level of bureaucracy in the UK, after we have left. Who are you going to vote for then – which party is the anti-bereaucracy party?
That depends on who I can trust i.e. the person.
I don't look at the policies or whatever manifesto shite. They can have the best of both but if they are not sincere then they are no good.
As for the Brexit Party – anyone who is dumb enough to vote for them really doesn’t deserve to have a vote.
You are absolutely right. 🤣
The argument for and against bureaucracy have been going for centuries unfortunately the cycle now, for me, is to anti-bureaucracy. EU bureaucratic system is just a system that needs dismantling.
The EU removes loads of bureaucracy. You are naive if you think otherwise. We will have shitloads more paperwork if we leave.
I do know think theres a valid justification for suspending this whole democracy lark until we sort the education system out so that the average measure of ignorance manages to be raised above 'village idiot' levels
In the meantime we could hand over the logistics of running the country over to Tesco, or Amazon or someone
You are absolutely right. 🤣
I'm glad you agree - I mean for you all you know their manifesto might just be sterlisation of all those that voted for us.
Yep, I look at Nigel Farage and my first thought is "now there's someone I trust to run a country in a manner I thoroughly approve of".
Idiot.
I don’t look at the policies or whatever manifesto shite.
Given that the brexit party have not given you any indication of how they would do brexit - and they are a single item party so quite why I cannot fathom - how do you define them as sincere?
That depends on who I can trust i.e. the person.
Okay, who can you trust to remove bureaucracy? (as that oddly seems to be your main issue)
Would this be the removal of bureaucracy that has resulted in every single government department recruiting and training loads and loads more staff, at huge expense, to cope with their increased workload?
Or the removal of bureaucracy that will mean spending billions of pounds on replicating existing EU systems once we can no longer use them?
Hurray for the 'bonfire of red tape'
The only 'removal of bureaucracy' will be when they abolish environmental controls and employment law, so thats two things that will no longer need to be enforced