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This seems to be a guide to tactical voting. Unfortunately for Scotland it appears to be wrong. Saying vote lib dem in the hope tories will not get a seat. However lib dems are well behind the greens and from what I have seen the best chance of stopping the tories getting a seat in scotland is green. Lib dems are polling half of what the greens do. Brexit are going to get a seat anyway
TBH I think you've already made up your mind to vote Green and are ignoring all advice to the contrary.
Not at all scotroutes - but when the greens are polling significantly higher than the lib dems it seems wrong. I was talking to my dad today who is a lib dem activist and he thought the greens would do much better in scotland than the lib dems and would probably get the seat. From the herald
SNP: 38%
Brexit Party: 20%
Green: 11%
Labour: 10%
Conservatives 10%
Lib Dem: 7%
UKIP: 2%
Change UK: 2%
Other: 1%
That would be 3 snp. 1 labour, 1 brexit 1 green. NO tories.
I just want to use my vote tactically to get a remain party in ahead of brexit or the tories. I'd vote lib dem tactically if I thought it the most likely to acheive what I want. I wonder if the vote lib dem in your map is because they are assuming the greens will get one anyway. I shall continue to look at the polls and stuff and I'll dig into your map further. Be nice for the snp to get 3 as well so that may be the valid vote here. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
That remain united does not really give enough info. I need to understand how they reached their conclusions.
It may be that they consider the greens already have a seat assured - so vote snp to give them a 3rd seat or lib dems to give them one and snp only get 2? No effect on the one brexit or labour or green so given 2 snp that leaves one seat between tory and lib dem?
I need more info!
Or that the Maybot turns out to be a strategic genius, and Brexit gets cancelled.
Probably that….
If that is the case we can all say bye bye to Tories. 👋
So resounding defeat on the way followed by new pm then vote of no confidence and a general election where we end up with another coalition of some kind.
That will definitely fulfil the wishes of "to be in to have a say" lot. 😄
I think the expectation is that floating/disenchanted yoons won't vote SNP or Green so their vote will go LibDem.
Weird. Greens appear to be mopping up those folk. I shall keep on looking at it and use my voter whatever way is best to keep tories / brexshitters out. could even be SNP to get them the third seat. they won't like that in westminster.
I'll just leave this here.
@cougar hahahah priceless - and apparently remainers are the nasty people. At least they aren't perverts.
Hey, I am!
(Did I just say that out loud?)
I’ve been told by 2 “official” reminder groups to vote for two different parties on Thursday to use my vote ‘effectively’.
I don’t know them, I don’t trust them. I think I’d be pretty daft if I thought that only Leavers and Right Wingers were being influenced be unknown organisations with unknown goals.
I’ll be voting LibDem, I considered Plaid but I’m not a Welsh Nationalist really, I considered Change but sadly it doesn’t seem to share my views as well as the Libs (Tim Fallon’s notwithstanding).
For what it’s worth...
IF, May agreed, without caveat that her deal would be subject to a Deal v Remain Ref, even subject to approval by the Commons, and I were an MP. I’d probably vote for it.
Ultimately enough bullshit has been layered, it’s never going to get any better, anyone who is staunch Leave or Remain now, isn’t going to change their mind either in Government or the Public.
If we go to the polls again, this time knowing the truth and not a lot of made-up bullshit and empty promises - this is it, it’s this or remain and we still vote to leave, then we deserve everything we get.
Any Welsh remainers reading this? Who are you voting for?
I voted Plaid based on, in no particular order:
1) The remainer analysis above
2) Plaid policies generally
3) Independence isn't happening in Wales any time soon so I don't have to worry about that, but possibly to lead to more devolution
4) Can't be accused of supporting the 'Westminster elite' by Welsh brexiteers
5) They aren't Labour or Tories.
I'm heartened by people's declared voting intentions (or postal votes) on here so far. I can only hope that the rest of the voting population takes as much time to analyse how to best reconcile their politics and views on Brexit. However, I know from the STW referendum poll and first 50 pages of this thread that in the majority STW is a made up of people of above average inteligence, politcial awareness, openess and humanity, and I can only hope for the same level of thought from a minority of those who even bother to vote.
You'll be disappointed Ed. There are a lot of studies demonstrating that people would rather feel right than actually be right. This article talks about some of them:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds
Corbyn playing a blinder... (In an alternative dimension where he stood for something)
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130900865995485184?s=19
Faced with an open goal, Jezza spoons it into Row Z...
Again!
Getting a bit boring after 3 years of it, isn’t it?
I wonder when we’ll actually get an opposition party worthy of the name?
Clearly the nicotine-stained man-frog has about the same understanding of irony as his hero, Trump.
So not even suspending your referendum campaign because a labour MP has been killed by one of your supporters is fine, but get a milk shake chucked over your expensive suit....
You really couldn’t make it up
Brexit campaigners might be beginning to realise what they've unleashed…
https://twitter.com/bbcwalesnews/status/1130940872445579264?s=21
Delivering Brexit will not stop this… far from it… the betrayal narrative will just be fed by it, not sated.
For the first time in my life I'll not be voting Labour.
It'll be either Green or LibDem. Probably decided in the last second in the booth.
Massively, massively disappointed that Labour didn't become the 2nd Ref party.
@kelvin 😳........ is she for real or is that vid a piss take of brexiteers?, I wouldn’t have the patience to deal with an attitude like that directed at me and I fear I’d have kicked her in the nuts 🥜.
Not sure who I'll vote for in the EUs up here in Scotlandshire.... since it's the EU elections I am not 100% sure what the point of my vote is. I plan to vote, but if we're leaving then I am not voting for an MEP but some kind of pre-general election signalling? A proxy referendum on brexit?
Massively, massively disappointed that Labour didn’t become the 2nd Ref party.
Yep, although they are now starting to say they support a 2nd ref - heard a number of people say it in last few days but there is always a caveat of if an a deal they like can't be reached first. Need to lose the caveat and just say 2nd ref is what they want whatever the deal or position. They are not ignoring their Brexit voters but at the same time listening to their remain voters.
It is even easier to say when you are not even in a position to make it possible...
The caveats that Magic Grandad has attached to any 2nd referendum 'if... if.... if....if .....' will ensure it never happens. Thats the whole point. Its the last thing he wants to do.... anything that might hamper the Brexit he's been sitting back and nodding through all along.
If you follow the labour/Corbyn twitter feed or see any of their parties electoral material you'd come away with the impression that Brexit wasn't happening at all. Don't mention the war.....
In other news, Radio 4 were looking into the Brexit party's funding this morning and to their complete shock and amazement it turns out its as dodgy as ****!!
Our electoral rules were set up in an analogue age and are simply not fit for purpose. You can anonymously donate up to 500 quid at a time to the Brexit party without any details being required. So there are no checks to see if you're on the electoral role, or even a UK citizen.
Any investigation into where this money is coming from will take months or years to complete
Given whats happened with the EU referendum, and Arron Banks dodgy funding record (where we still don't know where 8 million quids worth of donations came from), and Russian bots doing what they do, does anyone seriously believe Farage's latest ego-fest is legit and playing by the same rules as everyone else?
These people are laughing their tits off at the very idea of democracy, and there are idiots out there who are buying it. How could anyone with anything between their ears seriously vote for a 'party' that publicly stated that they have no policies, but don't you worry your pretty little heads about tiny details like that. We'll sort all that out once you've voted us in?
People really are THAT stupid?
Utterly depressing
does anyone seriously believe Farage is legit and playing by the same rules as everyone else?
I am not sure it really matters. What matters is that he gets the votes proving that people really are not capable of any thought process.
I have never thought democracy was a good idea and we are now seeing why.
The David Davies interview is part immensely satisfying, part horrifying.
The Tories have created a monster, it will eat their party alive, already has, really. Farage is a consomethinge grifter but by trying to beat him at his own game, theyve destroyed themselves.
Labour have been lucky because this was never their bunfight. But their own failure to face down farage & Brexit has left an open goal for the far right who are now in the driving seat.
I’m not sure Godwin can be invoked any more as this is clearly the direction of travel.
What was the Treaty of Versailles is now ‘Brexit Betrayal’. What the Jews were to the Nazis is now what Muslims are for No Dealers.
This was never about the E.U. for No Dealers this was about advancing far right nasty politics. Nasty politics that attract people who have failed in life and want someone else to blame.
We all know where this line ends. Under a slogan pronouncing that work will make you free.
Brexit campaigners might be beginning to realise what they’ve unleashed…
And yet he doesn't seem to grasp it. Or the fact that we haven't even left the EU yet.
I'm struggling to see a way out of this now.
A second ref will not pass Parly - why would any MP even a bit Brexit vote for a 2nd ref where the the choices are May's shit deal or remain. If it was on the face of May's bill it might pass if Tories whipped for it but that was never going to happen
May will fall, new Tory leader from the right in September - then what?
May will fall, new Tory leader from the right in September – then what?
Full steam ahead to No Deal
The repeated mantra that 'parliament has no majority for no deal' is totally irrelevant. Its the default position. A default that pretty much every one of the swivel-eyed loons queueing up to replace May would be only too eager to deliver
We're totally ****ed, basically
I’ll just leave this here.
That is a terrifying read.
It isn't the first time that extremists have got power by jumping on a populist bandwagon. The only comfort is that MEPs have no power, and they are more likely to be found out on a constituency by constituency basis rather than this regional poll. Is the bottom of Nigel's barrel deep enough to find enough candidates for a GE?
We just have to remember that UKIP polled had a massive vote share in council elections, which translated to the sum of **** all MPs at the following GE. So the FPTP system is at least good for something.
Out.
Strong argument grimep
Out.
Farrage you mean? Yes, i think the case for exiling the frog faced cretin is getting even stronger.
How do you feel life will be improved by being out?
What problems do you feel being out will solve and how will being out solve those problems better than being in?
What price is acceptable?
What has being in the EU stopped either you personally or you feel the country as a whole doing?
Be interesting to hear grimep 's response, but I suspect you'll get none.
The debate has become too polarised, look at that woman haranguing David Davies- Brexit is now a cult, much easier to submit to it completely, than accept that the world is a complex & scary place.
grimep Member
Out.
Nige...... Is that you Nige?
The debate has become too polarised, look at that woman haranguing David Davies- Brexit is now a cult, much easier to submit to it completely, than accept that the world is a complex & scary place.
What a lot of secularists don't get, is that whilst the belief in God and church attendance is dwindling - we are still religious. Mass movements and religion are interchangable and whilst god is not needed, they never exist without a devil. Both phenomena attract the same people, the lady shouting at David David is no different from any religious loon shouting at people outside Paddington with a microphone.
Here's a question.
When we first discovered we'd be involved in these elections the polls showed Brexit Party would walk it and they still look strong.
However, there was a disclaimer to say that pollsters gave greater onus to people who had said they'd voted in the EU elections before, and EU elections typically have low turnouts, the turnout is expected to be much higher this time, how accurate are the polls?
Nige…… Is that you Nige?
In your remaniac echo chamber, we are all Nige 😁
People really are THAT stupid?
Here we go again.I have no idea why people are surprised that people not engaged with politics will vote against their own interests. They’ve been doing that for as long as there have been elections.
I don’t think they’re stupid at all. The fact that they don’t trust politicians to act in their interests shows a level of understanding which seems lost on many who claim to be informed. Brexit is confirming all their prejudices and instincts, and the result, just as history has shown time and again, will be populist snake oil salesman rising to power.
grimep, can you answer any of these good questions;
How do you feel life will be improved by being out?
What problems do you feel being out will solve and how will being out solve those problems better than being in?
What price is acceptable?
What has being in the EU stopped either you personally or you feel the country as a whole doing?
Has anyone else see the video of Farage talking about resorting to guns if he doesn’t get the Brexit he wants?
I’m not aware that he’s being investigated for inciting violence but based on that video, assuming it’s not a spoof, I’m amazed he isn’t.
Is it a spoof?
The "don my Khaki" line? Not a fascist, with huge popular support, honest. Everything is going just fine here. Just fine…
The BBC are reporting the noises coming out of Westminster are that May has had a look at the numbers and is getting ready to pull her proposed fourth vote in June, and put it back until after the summer recess.
She's looking to further run down the clock and take it to the wire in order to try and scare people into voting for it in September/October
Because that worked really well the last time she tried it...
And the time before that...
And the time before that....