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18 months old and already smarter than 52% of the population
Yeah, there’s no contradiction at all with calling for international co-operation while pursuing a policy that is isolationist and divisive, is there?
He needs stopping, not supporting, and one of the main parties needs to drop support for his Brexit and make a stand…
How do you stop Farage/brexit by deliberately losing the next election? Because that's what labour will be doing by taking a position against the referendum result.
@Shackleton- never mind the poster your child is trying to explain continental drift to you- now pay attention to the toast!
You're assuming that Labour won't pick up any votes from the "metropolitan elite" or even just plain old sensible remainers who are deserting/not even considering them because of their current Brexityish stance. It was as good as 50/50 and it's not divided across party lines and how many Labour voters are REALLY going to put a cross in a Tory/UKIP/Farage box on the day? That's a big leap.
by deliberately losing the next election? Because that’s what labour will be doing by taking a position against the referendum result.
They'll lose anyway with this leader, however do you think the resurgence of the lib Dems and the gains of the Greens in local elections happened by accident? Labour are losing votes NOW
Corbyn and Farage want the same thing.
Anyone who agrees with Farage is a ****.
And so we head for another PMQ's where Jeremy can talk about anything else other than the elephant in the room
What do you reckon we'll be covering today instead? I'm going for rural bus services. We've not had that one for a while
Those bloody Scottish buggers will probably spoil things by bringing Brexit up again, but Jezza and the Maybot will just stare across at each other and agree that neither of them heard the 'B' word. La La La ... we're not listening
Then they can return to sorting their stitch-up, like it never happened
Corbyn and Farage want the same thing.
Anyone who agrees with Farage is a ****.
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...how many Labour voters are REALLY going to put a cross in a Tory/UKIP/Farage box on the day? That’s a big leap.
If this is in the GE it will be enough to break the two party strangle hold ...
While the two party system does indeed need smashing, I seriously doubt fascism would provide a preferable alternative
Anyway... compare and contrast. Here's Barry Gardiner from Sunday Sounds pretty damn Brexity to me
Asked if his views showed Labour was now an officially pro-Brexit party, Gardiner said the bulk of its MPs had backed remain in 2016. “But when that referendum came in, we said, ‘Look, we made you a promise that what you decided is what we would do’,” he said.
While the two party system does indeed need smashing, I seriously doubt fascism would provide a preferable alternative
The voters will determine whatever system there will be regardless in a democratic election.
In the bad old days of the British Empire, the UK was the master of divide and conquer.
It would befriend one faction, promise the earth, sow discord until the factions were at each others throats, then step in and before they knew it, they were in the empire, trade deals were one way and only to the benefit of the UK, and if you objected you could end up strapped to the front of a cannon or simply massacred, or bombed and gassed.
America was won like that, one tribe at a time.
Now it is the Empire, the EU is the target, and the weakest link? The old Empire.
Who's being getting the big bribes and future investment opportunities in our denationalised infrastructure? Who owns the media that "informs" us and sows discord?
Follow the money, because sure as fate it isn't the femme...
Looks like their version of a trade deal for us is dumpster diving...
The voters will determine whatever system there will be regardless in a democratic election.
Indeed...
Told you Farage would be heading for PM.
"People like Coldplay ... "
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Farage won't be pm as he would quickly be found out as bloody useless. He will bugger off and form another party then continue moaning about everybody else.
Farage won’t be pm as he would quickly be found out as bloody useless.
Boris Johnson was appointed Foreign Secretary, where he proved to be not only be utterly and completely useless, but a total national embarrassment
He is presently odds on favourite to succeed May as PM
The way this country has been heading the last few years, I wouldn't discount anything
Told you Farage would be heading for PM.
I really doubt it. He is slightly more selfaware than Boris blowhard and I really doubt he wants to be in a position where he is actually having to do proper work and make hard decisions.
Its why his rebel position on the EU suited him so well. Could rake the money in but the worse job he did representing his constituents the more he could rant and rave about the EU.
If he actually had any real work ethic he would have been representing the UK properly rather than just popping up like a bad smell occasionally.
Unfortunately he will continue to have a totally disproportionally toxic and corrosive effect on our politics
Why would he want to be in a position where he would actually have to take responsibility for what he says, and own the consequences?When other people will do your dirty work for you, out of fear of losing votes?
Lets face it, the Tory party is now fully embracing every single policy the nicotine-stained man-frog has always advocated. His job is done, really. He's successfully dragged government policy right round to his nasty, bigoted, right-wing view, while maintaining his ludicrous 'man of the people' routine. And it doesn't look like its heading back in the other direction any time soon, if ever
That's how people described Trump … look at him now …
“But when that referendum came in, we said, ‘Look, we made you a promise that what you decided is what we would do’,”
FFS that's not pro-brexit, it's simply honouring a democratic vote. I still can't get my head around why people can't grasp this simple point.
Unfortunately he will continue to have a totally disproportionally toxic and corrosive effect on our politics
Not least because the natural opposition to the likes of Farage, and many of it's supporters, are currently engaged in a completely pointless and self-defeating argument about what their leader may or may not believe, even though the party has a long established policy which was the result of an open and transparent democratic process.
It's fairly simple really. If you want to defeat Farage and prevent him gaining any form of power or influence, there's only one way to do that, and that's to vote for whoever has the most chance of removing the tories in your constituency. If it's a (very) safe labour seat, by all means vote libdem or green, but if it's anything else then a vote for anyone other than labour is a vote for the tories and Farage and their no deal brexit.
FFS that’s not pro-brexit, it’s simply honouring a democratic vote.
HAH! Was this the one that would have been nullified had it been a legally binding referendum? If you are holding the referendum to that level of democratic accountability, then the legality of it needs to be considered as well.
Oh and.....
Free range bananas!!
How do you stop Farage/brexit by deliberately losing the next election? Because that’s what labour will be doing by taking a position against the referendum result.
Is it a "position against the referendum" or simply taking up a position for a 2nd clarifying referendum to end stalemate in the commons and move the country on?
BoJo or whoever moggy gives the nod to will most likely win the next GE even if Jezza carrys on riding the populist Brexit bandwagon...
But Labour are driving voters away just as much by failing to differentiate themselves from the Torys on the one topic parliament seems to be debating.
Instinctively left leaning voters (like me) who would have defaulted to Labour are being drawn by the policies of the remain supporting parties like the LDs simply because of this one issue...
I won't be voting Lab or Con for the EU elections, there's plenty of others to choose from that better reflect my values...
And come GE time I amd now very much a "floating voter"... I don't think I am unique in this now.
Stop being a floater. Ether stick to the pan or sink to the bottom
Instinctively left leaning voters (like me) who would have defaulted to Labour are being drawn by the policies of the remain supporting parties like the LDs simply because of this one issue…
I won’t be voting Lab or Con for the EU elections, there’s plenty of others to choose from that better reflect my values…
And come GE time I amd now very much a “floating voter”… I don’t think I am unique in this now.
Indeed. As as instinctively right leaning voter I am coming to the same conclusion from the opposite direction. Very sad.
Instinctively left leaning voters (like me) who would have defaulted to Labour are being drawn by the policies of the remain supporting parties like the LDs simply because of this one issue…
I won’t be voting Lab or Con for the EU elections, there’s plenty of others to choose from that better reflect my values…
And come GE time I amd now very much a “floating voter”… I don’t think I am unique in this now.
Exactly this, ×1,000,000
I won’t be voting Lab or Con for the EU elections, there’s plenty of others to choose from that better reflect my values…
Fine for the euros as they’re completely meaningless. How will you vote in the approaching general election though?
If Corbyn gets the fence out of his arse I would vote Labour for the first time in my life.
Realistically , Lib Dem.
I'm sure someone will have worked out how much of a swing to Farage can be absorbed by both parties without taking too many seats off each.
Next GE will be very interesting.
Lib Dem will come in second and Cable will be jumping for joy, rubbing his hand with glee and salivating, as he will get to choose who he wants to "jump into bed" with; while Tories and labour will have long faces in the next GE. British politics will change forever ... I hope.
Bring it on! Woohoo!
I don't think the LDs would go into anything with the Conservatives after the shafting they got the last time.
I could maybe see a supply and confidence arrangement (if that's the right phrase? What the DUP currently (or did have) with the tories) with labour rather than a coalition.
I'm not sure the Euro elections are completely meaningless. It is a chance to show main parties whether you agree with their stance or not.
After voting labour in last GE and for that to be taken by Jezza's accolytes as a vote for Brexit rather than a vote to stop May, I don't want to make the same mistake again. I'll almost certainly vote Lib Dem.
No idea who'll I vote for in next GE. Instinctively I'll try to stop the tories and we have a good local labour MP but I am massively pissed off by the whole 'you voted for Brexit' BS.
I don’t think the LDs would go into anything with the Conservatives after the shafting they got the last time.
We are talking about LD here as they have the mentality of being in to have a "say", just like the way the want UK to be in to have a say in EU.
If there is No majority from any party there will be another "confirmatory GE vote", within 3 months, until the desire result appears.
We are talking about LD here as they have the mentality of being in to be in to have a “say”. Just like the way the want UK to be in to have a say in EU.
If there is No majority from any party there will be another “confirmatory GE vote” until the desire result appears.
Meanwhile back on planet earth, GE votes are legal, unlike brexit and May's WA minus the backstop if the extreme right wing of the tories has anything to do with it.
We might even see a multi party agreement between labour, lib dem and green, if if it keeps the bloody tories out.
A multi party government might be quite good for keeping the fascists at arms length.
Mattyfez plus 1.
Meanwhile back on planet earth, GE votes are legal, unlike brexit and May’s WD minus the backstop.
Well, if there is No majority and No party gives way then you will definitely need a "confirmatory vote", otherwise there will be "no" govt.
We might even see a multi party agreement between labour, lib dem and green, if if it keeps the bloody tories out.
Yes, that is a possibility but if that is still Not enough then what?
A multi party government might be quite good for keeping the fascists at arms length.
All depending on the outcome of the vote.
As as instinctively right leaning voter I am coming to the same conclusion from the opposite direction. Very sad.
Is it sad? Or is this actually the "new politics" Brexit allegedly triggered? People starting to question old (perhaps a bit entrenched?) main party habits? And actually start to vote for policies and candidates not party colours...
Fine for the euros as they’re completely meaningless. How will you vote in the approaching general election though?
As I said, I'm now more of a "floater" so by definition I can't tell you today who I'll be voting for in (anyone know?) N months time at a GE.
Can you tell me what the respective parties will be campaigning on for the GE once they've finished Brexiting and have to come up with opinions on other topics again?
And actually start to vote for policies and candidates not party colours…
Problem with policies are the faces behind them. You can have the best policies in the world but if the politicians have no intention of implementing them, then those so called policies are merely hot air. In that case they should be taken to court? No?
Can you tell me what the respective parties will be campaigning on for the GE once they’ve finished Brexiting and have to come up with opinions on other topics again?
Nahh ... it will be the same issue again. Some still want to remain arguing that they can change again to be in good terms with EU and want to join them again while others continue to Brexit.
Nahh … it will be the same issue again. Some still want to remain arguing that they can change again to be in good terms with EU and want to join them again while others continue to Brexit.
I disagree, the flip flopping between red and blue for all my life isn't really helpful or progressive.
Let's open up the field a bit, yes we'll get a few farage types as MPs, but we'll also get a lot more social -liberal MPs. On balance I think it's worth upsetting the rinse/repeat of the labour and Conservative apple cart that we've been stuck in for decades.
those so called policies are merely hot air.
Thus was it ever, but my point stands if the last three years have taught us anything its to apply a little more critical thinking when we're promised the earth perhaps?
Nahh … it will be the same issue again.
Anyone still banging on about Brexit in their GE campaign (either for or against) will not attract my vote then... Post Brexit voters should be looking for substance and evidence that parties and their members are actually thinking about the future.
I'm not bothered about "backing a winner" only the candidate who I believe is closest to my own values... Or nobody meets expectations and I spoil my paper...
Post Brexit … do mean the day after we have left, or after the first 15 years during which it will still dominate the business of government as it patches up the agreements and working arrangements it needs with 80 plus countries, as well as cleaning up the domestic fallout?
I can't help thinking that the LibDems would be doing a whole lot better out of this than even they are if they had a leader who wasn't so successful at getting no-one to pay any attention to him.
I can’t help thinking that the LibDems would be doing a whole lot better out of this than even they are if they had a leader who wasn’t so successful at getting no-one to pay any attention to him.
The problem the lib dems have is they are very sensible and almost boring.
The media like to market car crash politics as it gets more views =advertising hits for them.
I'd love to have a sensible and boring government.
lib dems probloem is they have lost their USP of being truthful and safe. Once they lost this they have nothing.