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THe way to kill any Leave thread on Facebook is to ask what the first euro law they would repeal is.
Any news today on the "Project Fear" claim that the threat of new overheads, regulatory burdens and delays relating to rules of origin, the Single Market and Customs checks would make it very difficult for car manufacturers to expand their operations here, and could even lead to factory closures, huge job losses, and cars being built elsewhere instead?
Back from the frozen north. I guess then Corbyn did his stitch up and I owe Binners a pound of pies? No?
Honda now. Eek.
Message us Uncle Jezza and the cream cakes are on me.
Anyway... if anyone could ask the leavers why, as the US and China embark on a full blown trade war, that these 2 economic superpowers are going to come over all benevolent when negotiating with the lil’ol U.K.?
These people really are totally detached from reality
I've been thinking about those on the left (on here and elsewhere) now so keen to say that Brexit must happen to defend democracy, and the contrasting view of others that Brexit is some kind of right wing take over. How have those keen on disruption persuaded so many of us that breaking international ties is the only path forward that "respects democracy", and that one referendum prevents any further referendum or course adjusting, when, logically, the public being able to vote and in other ways inform politicians as to how policy should change, is democracy. For me, it keeps coming back to an odd group of people whose ideas I read with great interest in the early 90s. I was a subscriber to Living Marxism, the ideas magazine of the Revolutionary Communist Party… and their writers were always thought provoking… and I only stopped when the anti-war campaign, which I supported, revealed the organisation was cultist (yes, yes, it should have been obvious, I was young). Anyway, follow the chain…
RCP > Living Marxism > LM > Spiked > Invoke Democracy Now > The Brexit Party
That's right, what looks like being the most successful new party for a century, that is so often described as "right wing", is relying on the organisational and astroturfing skills of people who I'd have once known as far left cultists. Those who aims are to, quite frankly, **** up our country, are successfully coming together from what, redundantly, we used to call left and right… and most importantly, persuading us to vote for them in the name of protecting "democracy", or persuading us to post on the internet that forcing through Brexit now is the only valid path we can take, as they seek to dismantle all our democratic institutions and protections.
Dark days people, dark days.
THe way to kill any Leave thread on Facebook is to ask what the first euro law they would repeal is.
There was a delicious snippet of this on R4 today during an outside broadcast in Peterborough, about 720am ish?, The brexit party candidate was asked this and the yawning silence and then stutter, followed by a garbled non answer was just great. Bastid will still get in though
THe way to kill any Leave thread on Facebook is to ask what the first euro law they would repeal is.
Yep. Also heard the guy on radio 4 this morning. Would be funny if it wasn't true.
David Lanny is rarely wrong about Brexit...
https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/1128197038066348034?s=21
Just like anyone who tries to explain what they think is best for the UK (who isn't a Brexitier) he will be labelled as sneering, condescending, undemocratic etc.
It is time though, for Labour politicians standing to be counted, to stop using "far right" to describe the forces they are seeking to counteract. It's playing to the home crowd. Time to be clear that the disruption and damage will be as a result of people from the left, right and neither, acting to break up the EU, and cripple the UK state, in order to futher their own interests and the interests of those that fund them. I understand why it is hard for those staying in the Labour movement to say that, as the party is a broad church, especially given its current leadership, but it has to start being said.
David Lanny is rarely wrong about Brexit…
I'll ask again, do you and all the others who think labour should be a committed remain party think they can win a general election on that platform?
And not just beat the tories, but win against a tory/Farage coalition???
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1128055509842419713
I don't know if a remain labour will win but they will stand more of a chance than a leave labour .
We are not only fighting brexit ,we are now fighting fascists.
I’ll ask again, do you and all the others who think labour should be a committed remain party think they can win a general election on that platform?
No, but they would stand a good chance of becoming the largest party both at the European Parliament (and I mean largest from ANY country) and the largest party in the UK parliament after a general election called before we have left. I don't think a majority in the UK parliament is on the cards in the next few years come what may, but current "policy" as regards Europe is hampering not improving Labour results right now.
I think that the very idea of a Tory party willingly going into a coalition with the far right would scare the living bejeesus out of many moderate Tory voters. Enough for them to vote for a labour party that was more interesting in opposing that coalition rather than pretending the very real threat of a far right government doesn't exist.
As someone noted earlier, just because we've never had a really extreme government in this country doesn't mean it can't happen. The complacency, at best, and clowardly, directionless facilitating of this by the labour leadership is an utter disgrace
If it can't stand up to this then, really, what is the point of its existence? The politics in this country is being wrenched further and further to the right and becoming nasty and intolerant, while the labour party sits idly by with its thumb up its arse
Neither Labour or the Conservatives are likely to get a majority in a general election regardless of their Brexit stance. A fully Remain Labour would do better though and probably be more able to form some sort of progressive coalition as a result.
Current polling for the EU elections probably doesn't reflect what a GE would look like though.
So I've joined a direct action group on Facebook, to see what they get up to. The best they have got so far is to hang some banners on bridges at the weekend.
As you can imagine there has been some chat in this group about who to vote for in the upcoming EU elections (even tho it's undemocratic organising full of unelected bureaucrats...
Today I decided to create a poll - simply asking if the NHS should be privatised post Brexit. Given that it's an actual UKIP policy & Farage has stated as much on several occasions...
So far no-one thinks it should be privatised, I am however wondering the best way to point out who they are voting for wants to privatise it.
Suggestions please.
Could you write it down the side of a bus?
I could photoshop that way. Seems they'll believe it when it's on the side of a bus. Cos buses don't lie.
I’ll ask again, do you and all the others who think labour should be a committed remain party think they can win a general election on that platform?
Under the right leader? Possible. With this one? Unlikely they could win irrespective of their policy on brexit IMO.
Could you write it down the side of a bus?
As long as you don't get the nochange party's graphic designers to do it.
Call for free range bananas by a bell-end brexiteer on James Obrien LBC earlier this morning, as long as there is idiots like this with voting power then we are ****ed
bell end brexiteer talks yet more shite
Given the calibre of those who called in this morning i figure they were all a little lost when they found out the jeremy kyle show was cancelled
I occasionally hear the James OBrian show and the callers sometimes are beyond belief. There was one claiming that leaving the EU would prevent things like the bombing of Manchester Arena, Lord knows how, he clearly had no Idea.
But he'd clearly been primed by the Farage Migrant poster
Yeah i heard that guy mentioning the manchester bombing earlier in this mornings show, I used to think that this country was of a reasonable median intelligence but lately it seems to populated by complete ****ing idiots. I've had enough of trying to reason and justify our EU partnership with them as they are all ****ing brainwashed brexiterring cultists (i have an eu flag sticker on my van and house so have had a fair number of comments), from now on it's a more direct approach.
This type of thinking is not limited to UKIP followers. During a past election campaign I saw my old local MP (Djangoly, Conservative, Huntingdon) doing a chat at the local Tesco.
Being interested in politics at that point with more than a passing interest in defence policy, I asked him what he thought about Trident. His response was that it was essential for the defence of the country and would discourage terrorists from attacking us.
For an allegedly clever person, that's a really retarded way to look at a strategic deterrent and, since then, events have proven him wrong several times.
Anyway, it's not just the public that make stupid statements.
We will build a close co-operative future relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners.
That is a direct quote from the Labour Manifesto. So will all the apologists still denying that Labour is a brexit supporting party please stop. Just stop. There is no ambiguity in that.
whats the difference between a member and a partner then, in practical & political terms?
ultimately they want us to no longer be members so they are a brexit party I suppose
Onewheel, my read of that is that Labour want to be out of the EU, but still want to work with them.
Unless I am missing context from elsewhere in the manifesto, it certainly sounds like they want a Brexit.
I think its safe to assume that any party that votes to trigger article 50, votes to stay outside the EEA and the customs union, then votes to stay outside the single market is most definitely a Brexit party
The rest of the half in/half out partnership bollocks is just flannel
So far no-one thinks it should be privatised, I am however wondering the best way to point out who they are voting for wants to privatise it.
Suggestions please.
Ask them “Are you serious? Why are are you betraying our party? Whether you are UKIP or straight Brexit this is our policy. It’s what we believe.”
Looks like she’s giving it another go...
https://twitter.com/polhomeeditor/status/1128388231958081537?s=21
With or without a deal with labour?
Yeah, right. She must have had the nod off magic grandad as they both know they’re about to be wiped out at the EU elections
Labour Three line whip/stitch up/desperate mutually approved skin-saving exercise imminent
How has it been changed?
Civil servants have gone over to talk about possible changes to the political declaration … the fact that no minister has gone might mean that the tweeks being sought are for a cross party cook up … or it might just mean that May doesn't trust her ministers not to (further) antagonise the EU team when the request is made for changes in line with the Malthouse unicorns to get more Tories on side.
And on the Brexit bonanza front: https://news.sky.com/story/british-steel-seeks-new-75m-taxpayer-loan-to-avert-collapse-11719704
I just hope every time Farage appears the interviewer asks him about his plans for the steel industry...
Farage's party is shadier than Rich Energy its not a party as such just a money laundering machine it seems
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/14/brexit-party-donations-an-open-invitation-to-launder-money/
hes getting away with launching a party with no manifesto & electing some absolute arses to not represent us as MEPs,
hes cost the country £bns, lies constantly, yet people still vote for him, Ill admit Im puzzled
He's a monster, and either a genius or a genius' stooge.
Labour Three line whip/stitch up/desperate mutually approved skin-saving exercise imminent
Yes because after the tories have announced they wont keep to it and plenty of Labour MPs have made it clear they would be likely to disobey it anyway the Labour leadership would go with it anyway.
You have thought this through havent you?
Ill admit Im puzzled
The problem is faith in politicians has been so dented and people feel so unrepresented that they will just grasp at straws. He is also give a hell of a lot of airtime and rarely properly challenged on his lies. Even when it happens though, as Marr sort of did, he just uses the time honoured whining about being picked on.
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Yeah, right. She must have had the nod off magic grandad as they both know they’re about to be wiped out at the EU elections
Labour Three line whip/stitch up/desperate mutually approved skin-saving exercise imminent
Ironically, you're basically this thread's Theresa May. Claim of imminent stitchup failed last week? Just do it again! Nothing has changed.
Voucher bet still available?
hes cost the country £bns, lies constantly, yet people still vote for him, Ill admit Im puzzled
Populism. It works for the people who don't want to think about things.
He needs stopping, not supporting, and one of the main parties needs to drop support for his Brexit and make a stand…
In more cognitive dissonance news....
Theresa May urges world leaders to follow UK in online terror content crackdown
If only we were part of a large group of nations that could work together, in unison, to combat such things through legislation in our common interest?
If only we were part of a large group of nations that could work together, in unison, to combat such things through legislation in our common interest
So at a global meeting - why is this even relevant?
And we won't even discuss the action of successive Governments to breed terrorism and extremism in the first place.
It's alright being pro-EU or whatever but at least recognise it's not always the solution to every problem. Far from it.
It’s alright being pro-EU or whatever but at least recognise it’s not always the solution to every problem. Far from it.
What an odd thing to say
Because in this case it very much is a solution, we can propose just those very laws as members & see them implemented for 500milliom people, in one of the world's most influential political powers.
Unfortunately the Brexit party is set to elect 3 former RCP members who believe in just the opposite https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/