What % of MP's are currently voting on the basis of what the areas they supposedly represent voted for during the referendum of 2016?
Dunno, but mine isn't.
That’s not a compromise in any way shape or form.
Sure it is. People voted to leave for many different reasons. The "out means out" brigade are a vocal minority, for every one of those headcases there's likely ten normal people who voted to leave because they believed it'd make more money for the NHS. Give more money to the NHS, they've got what they wanted, no need to leave in order to do that. Rinse and repeat for immigration and every other single-policy reason many many people voted. Everyone's a winner apart from racist pensioners, newspaper owners and disaster capitalists, and frankly they can all get in the sea.
If your partner decides they want to move house, and when you ask why they say they don't like the wallpaper, is it not a better idea just to redecorate?
Because it doesn’t give anything to the referendum.
Well, it does, see above; but in any case: so what?
It’s leave (in name only) and make a decision without the frustration of the clock ticking whilst still keeping the important elements of the EU.
And what exactly does that gain us? Yay, we'll only be in a slightly worse position than we are currently, sign me up.
Certainly not alister jack, conservative mp for Dumfries and Galloway, we voted to remain but he’s nothing but a minor Tory mp frantically grasping onto the lower rungs of the Tory lickspittle greasy pole whilst desperately doffing his cap and tugging his forelock to the paymasters above him, if he thought it would help his career I imagine he’d sell his morals and conscience for a vote......oh hang on....too late for that as his voting record shows. Roll on the next election when we will turf him out along with all the other Tory ****stains.
The line being fed by Labour was that the constituency might be leave but the ones who vote got them are majority remain.
Passing the wa and removing may delivers a mental tory at the helm for part 2.
So why do most/many people on the remain side only talk about the latter
Because even democratic socialist utopias can suffer recessions as well. And recessions always hit the poor the hardest. A 10 percent drop in GDP isn't going to have a huge effect on me when well over 50 percent of our household income is disposable and only 19 percent is spent on rent.
I have nothing useful to add but want to thank* Kelvin, for the fact that i am now at random intervals singing 'Mr Peter Bone' in my best John Bercow voice.
* genuinely, because for the last year or so I've been stuck in a random loop of singing 'Peter Dinklage' to the Game of Thrones tune. New series 15.4, I suspect I'll be back on the Dinklage once it starts.
What are we going to celebrate if we end up remaining? The continuance of an economic system which marginalises those at the bottom and amplifies the gap between rich and poor?
well not letting the hard right get their wet dream of exacerbating that with their brexit for a start.
You can argue all you like about the effect of Keynesian economic policy but wtf that has to do with our relationship with Europe I'm afraid you're going to have to explain, seeing as the currency, taxation, redistribution of wealth and all other aspects of fiscal policy are very much in the hands of our government.
The simplistic leaver argument of 'eu bad, private sector and our government good' ( otherwise known as 'blame the foreigners' ) doesn't hold much water on this one, either.
The continuance of an economic system which marginalises those at the bottom and amplifies the gap between rich and poor?
1) That economic system is nothing to do with the EU.
2) I'll vote for parties that try to eliminate that gap even if we remain.
3) If we leave, we're likely to be poorer, which means there will be even less money with which to help the disadvantaged.
So yes, I will celebrate remaining cos it means we still the option of avoiding hardship.
moggy has obviously decided what he wont be listening to the dup after all
https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1111636378209734656
unless theyve flipped too?
moggy has obviously decided what he wont be listening to the dup after all
He is beyond scum. An absolute charlatan. Anyone who supports him or voted for him needs locked up
nervous. Very nervous.......
Just spotted my MP.
She appears to be dressed as a Tellytubby.
Laa-laa specifically.
This is tense but encouraging tweets from the Labour side.
As MPs voted, Liberal Democrat Layla Moran tweeted that the 'no' lobby was "heaving".
"Lots of leavers here. Defeated roundly I predict," she said.
I have a bad feeling about this…
Edit: thanks for that bit of confidence inspiring news @mattyfez…
Government defeated 344 - 286 - majority of 58
It's in - lost by 58.
It's still all to play for.
Still got more votes than any of the indicative votes. But that's moot now.
Raab, Jonson, Mogg.....
all voted for Mays deal
the only way to make any sense of this farce is if you view Brexit as an internal powerplay within the Tory party
it has nothing to do with what's best for the country
So is that the new definition of close then?
Whips have to be off for Monday now, there is no plan b we need a plan b or a new pm to ask for time.
the only way to make any sense of this farce is if you view Brexit as an internal powerplay within the Tory party
Well, to be fair - you could argue that the context had changed - as in, we would vote against it, we don't like it, but the cliff edge looms and we've nothing else.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED
Having just seen the brexiteers who went through the aye lobby on the any brexit is a good brexit parade, I hope their credibility is destroyed, they do not know what they want only to have some hand on the wheel.
One path I see would be to whittle down indicative votes to get a position to ask the government to adopt. State that as the aim and if the government resufes to the polls.
I said you could argue that, not that it was the case 🙂
One path I see would be to whittle down indicative votes to get a position to ask the government to adopt.
Isn't that what's planned for Monday?
It was a daft idea, with the timing after May said she would resign. No opposition would vote for it, allowing May to resign and Boris to lead us forward in a charge of glittering unicorns.
Possibly if she'd not said she was going it would have made more sense, however there was also legal ambiguity on what just voting for the WA meant. So more can-kicking...
Are the Voting results out of who voted which way?
kimbers
Subscriber
Raab, Jonson, Mogg…..all voted for Mays deal
Cause they all know their position, no deal, is busted. Voting for Mays deal is them acknowledging that.
Only options now are; Customs Union, if they can get the EU to agree. Ref. Revoke. Or go for a long extension, most likely 5 years imo, then call a GE and then restart the merry go round again.
Doubt the EU will agree tbh they'll probably hold us to no deal or revoke on April 10/12th. It's the EU's turn in the game of brinkmanship now...
Possibly telling from May in her speach: 'Mr Speaker, I fear we are reaching the limits of this process in this House'
a.k.a back to the people? I know she is anti it; but increasingly there is no other way.
Isn’t that what’s planned for Monday?
The process was not confirmed last I heard.
At least she doesn't have to resign now
mickmcd
Member
At least she doesn’t have to resign now
She'll be gone soon enough.
MV4 then?
No deal being put firmly back on the table by EU, now out of parliament's hands unless they can agree an alternative course of action.
In Latin please, this is at least as grandiose as the superbowl
MVIV
Or
WAII
Or possibly IVII
At what point do we stop applying the word 'meaningful' to these votes, as the results are clearly having no effect?
mefty
Member
No deal being put firmly back on the table by EU, now out of parliament’s hands unless they can agree an alternative course of action.
extension time!, as long as May doesnt try anything else stupid
(splitting the wa & pd was always a bonkers idea, but May did it anyway)
Raab, Jonson, Mogg…..
all voted for Mays deal
But of course. "Vote for me and you can have a pop at leadership.
you are you have got to be sh--tng me
https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1111654741011021824
MV4 then
That was funny
MV4 then?
This was more MV2.5 so think it would be MV2.5V2
At what point do we stop applying the word ‘meaningful’ to these vote
As soon as everyone misses May has called MV445848 and so dont turn up leaving her to pass it of course.
The one good thing is the ERG arseholes looking even more tosserish than normal and carry out rapid reverse ferrets. Clearly some people can be trusted to change their minds so long as they have gone to the right schools. Plebs though aint allowed more than one attempt.
Speak of arseholes. Shouldnt the March for Leave be assembling for the victory celebrations outside parliament about now?
mickmcd
Member
MV4 thenThat was funny
you may have missed my last post
https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1111654741011021824
Or go for a long extension, most likely 5 years imo, then call a GE and then restart the merry go round again.
Doubt the EU will agree tbh
There's no way on Earth the EU27 would agree to that, surely to gods.