extension time!
That is an assumption, probably what Tusk wants, but not in his gift. There is a risk that EU leaders will decide to lance the boil, quite a few EU correspondents are saying many people in the UK are overestimating the desire of EU leaders for the result to be overturned.
wouldnt blame them tbh
now that Tommy Robinson is on stage in parliament square addressing the leave rally, its not a good look for britain
No deal being put firmly back on the table by EU
"by the EU"? eh?
So will we have MV4 ?
“by the EU”? eh?
In the sense that it is up to them and they are briefing it is now a likely outcome.
In the sense that it is up to them and they are briefing it is now a likely outcome.
Nope still simple options available to the UK parliament....
Next steps have to be UK representative briefing the eu as to what we need the extension for.
Ball 100% in UK court here.
I’ve decided the only way to stay sane whilst following this is to not care, what’s the worse than can happen (please don’t answer that anyone).
I’d be delighted, given today’s vote of Ref2 (inc remain) passes on Monday, the obvious compromise then would be Ref2 - May v Remain, or WTO v May v Remian if the leavers are feeling very cocky.
The joker in the pack of course is JC and his deal.
My own personal wish though would be to be involved in the EU elections, and Farage being BLOWN THE **** AWAY - I believe as a sitting MEP in the event of Brexit he gets a pretty massive pension of sorts, if he’s unelected he gets SFA, although that might be a dream more than a fact.
Next steps have to be UK representative briefing the eu as to what we need the extension for.
No obligation for them to accept though, the assumption is they will, but it is an assumption and they are briefing no deal is now a likely outcome - obviously saying that potentially helps them achieve the outcome they want.
Will force us into choosing no deal or revoke, and theres massive support to avoid not deal in parliament.
Why are none of the news outlets talking about this massive elephant in the room, so soon, still too sensitive?
@mefty hence it's the next step - yes briefing no deal could be as it's near certain or it could also be to motivate the UK into talking about it....
At the moment if the UK does not go back to the EU we leave on no deal.
There is absolute minority support for no deal but that is it. However there is still not a majority of support for the other options. That is the big problem here, the blink and you miss it chance to pass a remain motion on the 12th is also on the table. It will take some massive political shift to revoke instantly but if people continue to frustrate it could be the outcome.
No deal being put firmly back on the table by EU
Ha ha!
"They made us Leave".
Perpetrations for Brexit in our neighbouring countries is far ahead of our own. We called it, they got ready for it, we sat around with our fingers up our arses waiting for the promised sunlit uplands.
UKIP leader was warning on Twitter that he had heard reports there were police plans to use water cannons on brexiteers and that there would be plants to aggregate (sic) marchers.
Yep, those water cannons that Boris bought for £300,000 and then were sold for scrap when Teresa May outlawed them.
****ing idiot.
There is absolute minority support for no deal but that is it. However there is still not a majority of support for the other options. That is the big problem here, the blink and you miss it chance to pass a remain motion on the 12th is also on the table. It will take some massive political shift to revoke instantly but if people continue to frustrate it could be the outcome.
I know which is why I said what I said on the previous page.
Blimey. DUP might be the first to do the obvious and say "we want Brexit, but this deal is SO shite we'd rather stay in the EU than take it". Any MP signing up to this will have to justify it for years to come. Oh, and any MP pretending that is the only option open to them is a straight out liar. If it's worse than membership, even to many of those that campaigned to Leave, it should be rejected, and we should either revoke or extend and find another way.
Anyone fancy a new board game?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brexittherealdeal/brexit-the-real-deal
It’s almost as if union is their middle name or something
There's a U in the middle of their name somewhere, for sure.
Wouldn't she need to disband it before resigning?
wonder when Mrs May is going to have Gina Miller bumped off out of spite for causing her all this grief.
Hoping there isn't a General Election. I think it'll just see the Conservatives given a majority in parliament.
I'm damned if I'll vote for the anti-Semitic Brexit-loving half-wit of a Labour leader. Suspect many people feel the same way.
hand the country over to an intellectual bunch
Do you have anyone in mind?
So vote for someone else.
Or is it still something something tuition fees?
A GE will solve nothing and just waste more time. It's a pathetic option.
The issue with the general election is the issue with all elections in the FPTP system.
The tories are rubbish at Brexit and their government is unlikely to fix any issues that led to the brexit vote anyway.
Labour will be just as rubbish at negotiating brexit and while they would likely be a bit more radical at fixing inequality in more general "governance" (basically what I see as the root cause of the brexit vote), they are still in thrall to the "will of the people" and their red lines that equal a rubbish brexit so will therefore not be in position to do anything about it since the country will be shafted and lacking in disposable cash to implement their plans.
I'd vote SNP in a GE. They're talking sense on Brexit and could maybe end up in a coalition to have some of that sense implemented. And if not, it keeps the Scotland leaving this shitshow behind and getting back in the EU on the cards.
But there's the issue - the SNP will never get in power in Westminster so my vote is probably helping the tories get in, which is what I don't want... but what else should I do? Labour will bollocks up Brexit, the Lib Dems won't get near government (sadly as I like a lot of their policies)...
The whole system is just useless. And no sitting government will change it as it will help keep them out of the power they all crave for its own end. Which basically goes back to why I support Scottish independence... this UK system will never ever ever deliver a government I want. So it gives a way out even if I would prefer to stay attach to all you lovely crumpet gobblers.
And with GEs, people think they are voting for a Prime Minister. But you vote for a party. If the tories get in we could end up with any lunatic as PM
The unlimited backstop is here to stay..
Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's top Brexit official, has said British MPs will need to find a cross-party solution to resolve the current crisis.
"The only way to avoid a no deal now is for MPs to finally act next week & define a cross-party way forward," he said, following Friday's vote.
"If they do, we are ready to change the Political Declaration."
This can only come down to no deal or remain. Which was always what it would come down to once you strip out the can kicking and misdirection.
Yes there could be another election but that's just more can kicking regardless of who wins, the end game is the same 😀
brexit really has put the deficiencies in our political system into sharp relief, constitutional monarchy useless ineffectual outdated waste of time, fptp creates a combative politics where, compromise and consensus have no place. We really are a mess, mother of all parliaments my arse mother of all **** ups.
We really are a mess, mother of all parliaments my arse
The problem with being an early adopter is that you get to make all the mistakes which everyone else can then learn from. Its also hard to bin off the legacy and stop making those mistakes.
But there’s the issue – the SNP will never get in power in Westminster so my vote is probably helping the tories get in,
Only if Labour turn down the opportunity to work with the SNP.
Dear Brexiters,
A Greek immigrant has just won Masterchef.
Yours,
A Remainer.
A Greek immigrant has just won Masterchef.
Gaaaaarrrrgh!!! Where was the spoiler alert?!
Damn immigrants coming over here and winning our scripted reality shows.
Don't worry the politicians are going to look in their hearts and see that May is right.
sirromj
Member
Don’t worry the politicians are going to look in their wallets and see that May is right.
FTFY
Did anyone else notice the predominance of grey hair and old people at the pro Brexit march yesterday?
So... Dominic Grieve facing deselection. I'm hoping the Tories will lurch so far right they fall off a cliff.
May, the fourth be with you?
Did anyone else notice the predominance of grey hair and old people at the pro Brexit march yesterday?
There were a few younger men there and they all seemed to have very short hair
What a difference a week makes. Last weekend up to a million young and old protesting in a carnival atmosphere akin to a music festival.
Yesterday, up to a few tens of thousands, Tommy Robinson, arrests and loyalist flute bands.
I know whose future I would prefer.
Edit: too late. And out of context on a different page...
What a difference a week makes. Last weekend up to a million young and old protesting in a carnival atmosphere akin to a music festival.
Yesterday, up to a few tens of thousands, Tommy Robinson, arrests and loyalist flute bands.
I couldn’t help thinking they’ve got a catchier slogan though. ‘Leave means leave’ - it’s a simple/inane answer to anyone seeking a rational answer on how to progress.
toby young & claire fox on newsnight yesterday, were angry & bitter
blaming parliament, May, everyone for us not leaving
but they were complicit in this
claire Fox sat next to David Davis as he laid out how devastatingly effective plans negotiate with the EU, by demanding german car makers save us....
https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1108155476011900928
toby young told us wed get a great deal from the EU because of our trade balance etc
& endorsed Norway option (he now calls that remaining)
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-facts-not-fear/
Im heartily sick of these brexiteers telling us that its remainers fault that brexit isnt what they promised