Second barrel into the other foot. That's going to smart a bit.
I genuinely don’t understand why she doesn’t just resign. She could say “I have done my best, I cannot get an agreement, it’s someone else’s turn to try” Nobody would think any the worse of her because of it. (Probably because her reputation is rock bottom as it is.)
Nobody would think any the worse of her because of it. (Probably because her reputation is rock bottom as it is.)
This is her moment, something like a cross between dirty dancing and Greece
Maybe she could finish by Swan diving onto the black scepter as a grand finale.
It would be more honourable than buggering off to retire in a cheateu in France. That would be too ironic.
Assuming we don't have a no deal brexit and end up living in a Mad Max like post apocalyptic dystopia - then I think future generations of History students will be cursing Brexit in the same way as current students are made to suffer the Corn Laws.
I genuinely don’t understand why she doesn’t just resign.
There's no way she'll resign. She's already going down as the worst prime minister in history, she's not going to want to also be labelled as the worst PM who jumped ship at the height of the crisis that she created. Besides, there's still a tiny chance she'll turn it round. She's got a lot (if not most) of the public behind her. If by some miracle she manages to face down her MPs and win, she'll be massively popular. If that happens the spineless self-serving *****s in her party will line up behind her as if nothing happened.
She’s got a lot (if not most) of the public behind her.
You are funny.
She’s got a lot (if not most) of the public behind her.
She certainly has, this is including my wife who keeps saying “If it was a bloke they wouldn’t be so hard on him!” Then I point out she was Home Secretary whilst my wife was working for the CPS “Well she was only doing what Cameron wanted “
Ffs 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Gove for pm next I reckon
One of her own whips voted against her?
He was paired with Andrew Gwynne, who had a family emergency.
Strangely, this may well do her a favour, she may be able to peel off sufficient recalcitrant Tories and the DUP, who now know how hard their farmers will be hit, to get her deal over the line.
What's happened to the shadow chancellor? Last week he was on everything talking up Labour MPs voting for a referendum this week… now he's gone quiet, and the programmes are full of other Labour front benchers making it clear that would be the worst thing ever. Will he be back next week?
She’s got a lot (if not most) of the public behind her.
why do you keep saying this?, polling consistently shows that her deal is the least preferred option
Strangely, this may well do her a favour, she may be able to peel off sufficient recalcitrant Tories and the DUP, who now know how hard their farmers will be hit, to get her deal over the line.
possibly, Youd think that the brexiteers would realise that they are making no brexit a real possibility...... but Steve Baker & Andrea Jenkyns on Peston & Anne Marie Morris on Newsnight showed no sign of becoming any less fervently opposed to mays deal- both had an air of manic zealotry
He was paired with Andrew Gwynne, who had a family emergency.
So he didn't vote? Sounds like a non-story.
Only one gov resignation that I've seen, over today's vote. Those abstaining still in their posts.
Brexit is now a singularity. The first one we can study on our own planet.
No-one, no-one knows what is just past the event horizon but whatever is there will be studied for decades to come.
If I had to predict what is just beyond our scientific reach? Just over that horizon?
May, eternal,grey, stuck in the purgatory of an infinite time loop, never to escape back into Einsteinist space and time. Only known to even exist by the displacement of void she takes up.
why do you keep saying this?, polling consistently shows that her deal is the least preferred option
This is the part I don't get ?? I constantly hear leave voters saying her deal is s&&t but when I ask them what they want they just say "leave". May's deal had us leaving the EU, removal of freedom of movement everything they said they wanted !!! Sure we have to pay for the commitments we already signed up for and a agreement that we wouldn't send NI back in control of the bombers and gunmen, all be it with a tiny risk for some unfathomable reason the EU might make it difficult to end said agreement. But still May's deal is rubbish and she's the worst PM ever. I know some remainers feel that any thing less than a revocation of A50 is failure, but even though a majority of MPs won't agree a deal (because it's the wrong deal, but not say what the right achievable one is) neither will a majority come flat out and say Brexit should be scrapped for 17.4mil reasons.
Personally I think history will be a bit kinder to May, realising that she took on a job beyond her talents, but also that it's was beyond any of our current crop of politicians abilities.
Bare in mind her games not over yet, whatever the votes today we're still set to leave on March 29th without a deal (depend on an extension we might not get), Mv3 or 4 could still see her deal get through.
May's own biographer said that people always underestimated two aspects of her personality.
Her ambition and her selfishness.
When you factor in both of those traits everything about her methods and judgment fits into place. Including why, even now, she will just carry on when even on an animal human level most normal people would have walked. Forever to be the definition personified of a zombie PM.
She will deserve her place in history but it will not be a positive one.
There was a question on Brett it the Higher or National 5 paper last year, so yeah; the misery is going to impact childrens(and teachers) lives for years to come.
What, the wild yeast favoured by the Europeans that gives a funky farmyard character to beer?
On 21st Jan, May suggested that a 2nd ref would "Threaten social Cohesion" and often suggested that asking people until they give the "right" answer is undemocratic. So we don't get another say, but her plan gets a second, third and perhaps even a fourth Vote....
Cognative dissonance in action...
No, but asking a third or fourth time is entirely justifiable because the question is 'now we know that if we don't vote for this deal, then we get no deal which would be disastrous, do you want this deal now?'
Whereas a second referendum would only be on the basis of 'now we know that Brexit in whatever form is substantially worse than remaining in the EU, are you sure you still want to leave?'
Can't you see it's ENTIRELY different.
We need a proper head of state, someone with their own democratic mandate who can force the PMs hand into finding some kind of cross party consensus for a way forward. Her Royal "I'm only in it for the house of Windsor" Highness light touch really doesn't cut the mustard at Times likes this.
Can we have more 'meaningful votes'? Speaker says no?
This is the part I don’t get ?? I constantly hear leave voters saying her deal is s&&t but when I ask them what they want they just say “leave”.
The inherent contradictions of a binary referendum where one answer leads to a multitude of outcomes.
Cameron's infamous leaflet did warn that the end point would depend on negotiations, but the cult of Brexit makes its own truth.
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/pairing/
He was paired with Andrew Gwynne, who had a family emergency.
Paired means he didn't vote, if he voted against then he is in the shit.
sort of - you pair with someone who is going to vote the other way so you cancel each other out. It's different from a sole abstention.
So if he paired with Gwynne with a different voting intention, then he has in effect voted.
If that gets him off the hook, it's a technicality.
The pairing system is often used and very rarely abused, it's a very honourable tradition. Unless obviously you're Brandon Lewis.
(I like the traditions but this is a dumb voting system in the 21st century really)
Mark Francois 😡 dear god what a utter shit, “I was an army officer, I don’t mind pressure” he is a tub of lard who was in the T.A.
With politicians like him why are we surprised to be in this mess.
Geoffery Cox is being warmed over to change his legal advice ahead of a third MV
So what are Lord Haw Haw and his Rabid Right chums saying about this?
So these tax laws that are due to come in just after 29th March... just how much of an impact will they have on people with ££££s squirreled away who would rather not have been impacted by them (eg. most of the senior ERG)
Mark Francois 😡 dear god what a utter shit,
It's a hard fought battle, but he is ahead in my "Who's the biggest * out of all the *s" race currently.
Mark Francois is an utter utter **** of the highest order. Its a unifying character trait shared by all his ERG colleagues
But surely Gavin 'send an aircraft carrier to China' Williamson is outdoing even him with his rufty-tufty fake military credentials.
Apparently he's now referred to by everyone in Westminster as Private Pike
No, but asking a third or fourth time is entirely justifiable because the question is ‘now we know that if we don’t vote for this deal, then we get no deal which would be disastrous, do you want this deal now?’
That's not the case though - the question is - "do you want to back this crap deal which is the one I've stuck to for my own motives of pride and selfishness while ignoring all opportunities to find a better way forward, or do you want a no-deal disaster. Or do you perhaps want me to tear up my stupid red lines and negotiate a reasonable deal?"
he is a tub of lard who was in the T.A.
I like the way the interview finishes then. Wonder if she was out of time or just realised she would end up saying something unprofessional
If Francois was an officer in the T.A. like Gareth in the Office, them I hate him even more. Fat ****
All it would've taken was one friendly fire incident
If that gets him off the hook, it’s a technicality.
Pairing arrangements do not normally stand in a 3 line whip, however I believe in the event of an emergency, a member of another party can approach the other side's Whips Office to arrange an emergency pair, who will be a member of the Whips Office (so there is no argument) rather than their usual pair.
Erskine suggests that MV3 will not happen, the speaker will disallow the motion as it is a repeat of the previous two.
Out of ideas and nearly out of time, it's either revoke or at least 2 months delay though the EU27 may enforce a longer timescale.
So we don’t get another say, but her plan gets a second, third and perhaps even a fourth Vote….
Can we have more ‘meaningful votes’? Speaker says no?
I'm warming more and more to this speaker.
And he has a forren name.
This Mark Francois ... ??
@mefty which would mean one of the whips not walking through the lobby ie one vote less in either side. Reports were he voted for the motion - which would add one against the government and none for.
Anyway this could all be the fine kine between last to resign first to lose their seats 🙂
On a side note the brexit tweet billboards have made it to Manchester, the one you can see from the tram explains how brexit will kill manufacturing in the UK but it will be worth it.
Erskine {May} suggests that MV3 will not happen, the speaker will disallow the motion as it is a repeat of the previous two.
Sir David Natzler gave evidence on this point to a Select Committee which suggested that governments can repeat motions
“If it plainly was the will of the House, there are ways that could happen,” said Sir David, resplendent in his Clerk’s uniform of white bow tie.
“I don’t think the procedures of the House are designed to obstruct the necessary business of government on such a crucial thing,” he added.
The vote for extending Article 50 is going to be a free vote, so you'd think that will just be a formality.
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1106115929539334144
Having said that, Andrea Leadsom has just stated that No Deal is still firmly on the table, so it seems she's just going to pretend yesterday never happened and it was all just a bad dream.
May looked and sounded like the walking dead yesterday. I almost felt sorry for her. Almost. Then I remembered what a truly vile, toxic self-serving creature she is and that soon evaporated
Reports were he voted for the motion
The reports were wrong.
So what comedy of errors awaits us today?
And where does it lead?
The brexiteers seem to be doubling down on their rhetoric, so even if Bercow allows for MV3 ,what chances of it passing?
Tho I hear Geoffrey Cox is trying to be the centre of attention again with a new effort to salve their preposterous egos & allow them to back down.
This Tory Bunfight is both tragic & amusing
So Cox has to say he was wrong? I am sure he is going to love that.
Dup meeting with May, more cash needed?