Because it never gets old
“If it plainly was the will of the House, there are ways that could happen,” said Sir David, resplendent in his Clerk’s uniform of white bow tie.
The house has voted down the bill with some of the biggest defeats a government has taken. That is a sign the house does not want to waste time on mv3. Nothing has changed. There was a vote, people do not simply change their minds.
It sounds like the Brexiteers are getting a bit jumpy that we're heading for a long extension to Article 50, at the very least. Nigel Evens has just been on Radio 4 saying that they're 'losing Brexit'
If the ERG ends up scuppering Brexit through their intransigence in not voting for Mays deal as it wasn't Brexity enough for them, Its quite possible I may never ever stop laughing at them
"you know what? I've re read the amended withdrawal agreement and bugger me it TOTALLY says we can exit the backstop err somewhere towards the end. I'm totes sorry on Tuesday I was just busy tweeting the word 'bollocks' to Jon snow I must've missed it. It defo says that about the backstop trust me on this I'm a silk and have a booming voice"
I see the Architect of this debacle, he who should be know as CallMeDave, has finally admitted a No Deal would be an unmitigated disaster for Britain.
Well well, CMD, you’d better rescind that referendum you designed and sort this utter chaos out eh..
****er.
So Cox has to say he was wrong? I am sure he is going to love that.
He won't say he's wrong. But a much more detailed explanation of how we'd exit the backstop if the EU were to act in bad face woul be welcome. If MP's see how that could happen it might be enough to swing them over.
Bare in mind if the Eu doesn't grant an extension we leave on the 29th without a deal. Parliment have voted to say that wont happen so it'll be revoke or May's deal. What do you reckon they'll choose ?
I asked before with no joy.
With Mays deal can I still get my chocs tariff free from Belgium?
For a few years, yes. After that… well, that's all for future discussion… this is just the start.
I think I just read she’s tabled her deal for the third time
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/13/theresa-may-deal-europe-eu-mps
Marina Hyde yesterday still at the top of her game. Too much to quote but "beacon of democracy turns out to have been a bin fire" sticks in my mind. Bollocks I will qoute:
Quote of the debate – arguably quote of the entire Brexit – went to a Conservative backbencher by the name of Steve Double. “This is a turd of a deal,” he intoned to the House of Commons, “which has now been taken away and polished, and is now a polished turd. But it might be the best turd that we’ve got.”
For many, the now-reflexive action when they hear this kind of stuff is to inquire “why didn’t u put that on the side of ur bus m8???”. And yet, was Steve’s interjection in the actual chamber the moment that well-worn joke format ascended to its purest – which is to say, its most grotesque – form? Putting turd all over the side of a bus, having half the country vote for it, and then driving this dirty-protest-mobile past every single warning-sign of the past two and a half years has brought us to this particular precipice.
Whilst May's 'place in history' is of no interest to me, nor of any relevance now.....
Anyone who touches, or is touched by, the toxic nonsense that is Brexit is on a hiding to nothing if they feel like they have to act in the best interests of the country as a whole.
This can easily be visualised using a Venn diagram (that people commonly think of as 'one of those drawings with a square containing two partially overlapping circles').
What most people miss is that the circles don't have to overlap if they are mutually exclusive.
Put 'Brexit of any kind' in one circle and 'things that are good for the country' in the other and there is no overlap. Never has been, isn't, and never will be.
This is the core, inescapable issue - and it cannot be wished away.
John Crace who coined Maybot has a new name for her....
LINO
Leader In Name Only
🙂
In all this "how do we get out of the backstop?" none of them seem to be considering what happens after that. If the backstop is needed it means there's no other solution. (There won't be another solution because there HAS to be a border somewhere, even if it's just to stop free movement of people). So exiting the backstop will mean a hard border, then probably back to the Troubles, and/or NI leaving the UK.
LINO
Leader In Name Only
and the same applies to Corbyn
I think I just read she’s tabled her deal for the third time
Reading that has just taken the last vestiges of hope from me that we have any chance of getting out of this in a sensible manner. Her agenda is clearly my deal or screw the lot of you, whether this is plain malicious or shes actually broken mentally I don't know, either way shes taking the rest of us down with her.
She does seem to be bloody-minded to the point of being mentally deranged. Its the mentality of the kamikaze pilot.
I AM going to do this, even if I and everyone else has to die in the process.
John Crace's parliamentary sketches have been one of the few good things to come out of this debacle. Worth following on Twitter too. He's hilarious. As is Marina Hyde, who is an utter genius!
Yeah, just seen on the BBC webby she is tabling the motion again.
Not sure what to say, beyond words really.
Apparently EU are to offer us a four year extension of we vote to go and ask for one.
That'll be a laugh!
It'd also give me enough time to prepare to leave the country whilst I can.
Bare in mind if the Eu doesn’t grant an extension we leave on the 29th without a deal. Parliment have voted to say that wont happen so it’ll be revoke or May’s deal
Even if May's deal is approved, they are still going to need an extension to implement. So unless an extension is put in place or A50 is revoked, it's no deal on the 29th, regardless of 'meaningful' votes to take A50 off the table.
There won’t be another solution because there HAS to be a border somewhere, even if it’s just to stop free movement of people
Free movement will continue because of the Common Travel Area.
Brilliant little analogy from James O Brian:
a) We were being sold a toaster, some people agreed they wanted a toaster, yet some were already happy with the grill.
b) We then discovered the toaster was merely an empty box, which had a nice picture of a toaster but no toaster
c) We now need to decide if we want to continue to have the empty box and stare at the picture with the eternal hope that a toaster appears inside, or give back the box and say no thanks.
😀
Free movement will continue because of the Common Travel Area.
Yes & government said even in No Deal that NI/Irisih citiznes could still move freely between NI & Ireland,
Javid said that EU citizens have to show ID card or passports when they enter the UK
But with no border checks in NI how will they do that ?
It's almost like they've not thought it through and are just making stuff on the spot and without any consultation whatsoever
Free movement will continue because of the Common Travel Area.
For who?
People living in NI can arrange to keep FoM across 30 countries, including CTA. Same for people living south of the border. The thing is, people outside the CTA, but in Single Market, will have free movement into most of Ireland, but not into NI, even though people in NI will have free movement into their countries. Is that correct? The consequences of keeping the GFA, after NI leaves the Single Market, but with a new special unique relationship with it, are mind bendingly messy. Anyway, who is to be checked, and where?
When will Bercow rule on whether it is permissible to vote on the same deal again? I sincerely hope he says it can't be put to the House of Commons.
When will Bercow rule on whether it is permissible to vote on the same deal again? I sincerely hope he says it can’t be put to the House of Commons.
He won't stop it.
But he'll allow amendments this time.
Meaningful ones.
I wonder when the men in grey suits will decide"enough is enough",and ask LINO round for a little chat?
When they find a safe pair of hands that won't destroy the Tory party…
I think the men in white suits will be taking LINO away before then
whatever way this ends the country is going to be bitterly divided
we need something that can bring us all together- Could we re-instate Hanging Drawing & Quartering for David Cameron, is he less popular than Blair now?
actually not quite yet
Never mind the men in grey suits i'm hanging on for the IRA to get their finger out and deal with the ****ing ERG idiots who inhabit 55 Tufton St, no deaths though...I'd prefer to leave them permanently maimed and needing long term NHS care (by EU/Immigrant nurses) for the rest of their lives
Agreed.
Yeah... no bombings, man. Poetic, fitting justice instead
I'd like to see the Iain Duncan Smiths of this world live out the rest of their days in a damp council flat in a vandalised, piss-stinking, drug-dealer-infested tower block on a sink estate in some shithole, left-behind town.... unemployed, on universal credit, which I'd then sanction so they were dependent on food banks
THAT is what they truly deserve
It's simply mind boggling that MV1 lost with the biggest defeat in parliamentary history
MV2 lost by a huge margin
Yet somehow MV3 is completely OK
Meanwhile the original referendum, which was won off the back of a campaign of lies with a result that's a statistical anomaly in the grand scheme of things, simply must be respected and there's no way we're allowed to re-run that
One rule for them, one rule for the rest of us.
We are truly broken
What happens if there are multiple amendments that are contradictory or overlapping? Does the speaker ensure this doesn't happen? Or what?
What happens if there are multiple amendments that are contradictory or overlapping? Does the speaker ensure this doesn’t happen? Or what?
Yes - that is their job.
Apparently there is going to be a vote today to extend article 50 to allow a people's vote
Yes peopeles vote ammendment selected and an indicative votes ammendment. COuld be interesting later..
Not least on whether labour support the peoples vote ammendment
One amendment selected by the speaker is to prevent the govt presenting its Brexit deal again. If that goes through it'll really show that it's parliament now in control, not the government.
Apparently there is going to be a vote today to extend article 50 to allow a people’s vote
Who's name is it in… and do Labour have a position on it?
It's come the the Independance group.
Well, Labour won't whip (properly) for that then, will they. The nays have it.
Who’s name is it in… and do Labour have a position on it?
A second referendum, proposed or backed by Brexiteer Corbyn? What do you think?
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1106151980618129408
On Brexit, the party leaders are two cheeks of the same arse. Jezza will bluster (unenthusiastically and unconvincingly), but he won't actually do anything to frustrate Brexit, as its what he wants. Always has. And if/when push comes to shove, he'll do everything in his power to facilitate it. Same as he has done since he called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum
Long game… long game… [FFS]
Todays amendments:
- Amendment H, tabled by Independent Group MP Sarah Wollaston and which seeks an Article 50 extension to stage a second referendum with Remain and Parliament's preferred Brexit option on the ballot paper.
- Amendment I, tabled by Labour's Hilary Benn and which seeks to allow MPs to take control of the Brexit process.
- Amendment E, Labour's amendment which notes that Parliament has "decisively" rejected both Theresa May's deal and no deal and calls for a delay to Brexit "to provide parliamentary time for this House to find a majority for a different approach".
- Amendment J, Labour MP Chris Bryant's amendment to stop a third meaningful vote on Mrs May's deal.
That’s a disgraceful post. The only way I’d like to see the ERG taken out is by republican MPs taking up their seats in a democratic process. Sadly it won’t happen.
But Brexit has fallen. Now it’s just clearing up the mess.