4 abstinations and a vote lost by 4😳
Plaid on twitter claiming their 4 MPs swung it. Bless.
May clings to power, she can't afford to sack anyone, hasn't been able too for the last two years. Some might go indie of thier own accord.
On top of her almost daily ritual humiliations, going asking for an extension to Article 50 is going to be fun for her
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
A newspaper that was destined for next door but was accidentally delivered to him? Yup. He's ready.
Even though May has Ballsed this up completely, there's likely to be a (long) extension.
The brexiteers are in danger of blowing their Brexit entirely, if they don't chose May's deal.
Corbyn has come out swinging alright! He’s still pushing for his completely un-negotiated, slightly harder version of May’s deal. Again.
The Man’s a plum.
a strange lack of ministers to interview.....
This is becoming brinkmanship properly, if enough DUP/ERG/Labour go to Mays deal on the reported MV3 (next week) then it goes through - it needs a nuclear option after that.
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
Yes, If push really comes to shove I’m pretty sure she can rely on Jezza’s vote to get Brexit over the line
This is becoming brinkmanship properly, if enough DUP/ERG/Labour go to Mays deal on the reported MV3 (next week) then it goes through – it needs a nuclear option after that.
I dunno...
Commons speaker John Bercow has indicated he will rule on whether Theresa May is allowed to repeatedly make MPs vote on her Brexit deal after it was twice defeated.
On Wednesday Mr Bercow said “a ruling would be made” on the matter with parliamentary convention barring a government from bringing the same motion back to the house over and again.
His comments set him on course for another clash with Ms May’s administration, with government advisors believing they could “disapply” any ruling he makes if they win a commons vote on it.
So the government's motion for tomorrow is to extend to June 30th only. Bet there'll be amendments tried on that!
There is some bust up going on in Parliament now because May is apparently making the extension vote conditional - on a deal (her deal) being approved
https://twitter.com/hugori****d/status/1105911562743762946
Everybody needs to remember that todays votes were simply advisory, the government does not need to act on them or acknowledge them. MP's who voted for them should realise this.
With all these motions getting punted in left right and centre how come no one has tabled a motion to revoke A50 if no one opts for that might as well roll out the ballistic options the day after
how come no one has tabled a motion to revoke A50
SNP tried to but motion wasn't carried forward for voting
Mike - was just watching the points of order and this point was made by both sides. But there was a strong undercurrent that May ignores Parly at her peril.
If May pushed the country into a no-deal corner in direct defiance of the will of Parliament I really think a vote of no-confidence would pass.
Mike – was just watching the points of order and this point was made by both sides. But there was a strong undercurrent that May ignores Parly at her peril.
They have just wheeled out all her no name supporters to tell us exactly that she will ignore it.
If May pushed the country into a no-deal in direct defiance of the will of Parliament I really think a vote of no-confidence would pass.
Problem is the timing, she is in charge of this, vote of NC needs time so basically the tories need to get control of her or from her
It's still too volitile to openly advocate a retraction of article 50. We all know how self serving and afraid MPs are by now.
It will come though. Pacience young padwan. A retraction will be a two line email that can be fired off in 30 seconds.
If she pushes through a no deal Brexit against the wishes of parliament, and the predictions are right, what happens when the first diabetic kid dies through lack of medication?
There is some bust up going on in Parliament now because May is apparently making the extension vote conditional – on a deal (her deal) being approved
That’s a US level of desperation and snideness. It’ll turn really nasty if she tries that.
Corbyn’s called for a GE, again, give it a rest man, you’re 10 points behind in the polls and no one wants another GE in a time of crisis based on a Leave V Leave dust up.
Tomorrows Motion
Needing a couple of readings of that
and that key bit being the 20th March with the following coming through
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105928595833270278
So point 3 looks like the important one.
If an issue ever needed summarising 🙂
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So if May's deal passes by 20 March then extension to 30 June to pass legislation.
Otherwise Parliament has to come up with an alternative plan for May to take to EU to get a longer extension.
Otherwise Parliament has to come up with an alternative plan for May to take to EU to get a longer extension.
Gee, if only we'd figured out what we wanted with more than 2 weeks to go.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105937583291486208
Seems to have an inside line that an aide told cabinet ministers they could abstain and not resign - #Conspiracy 😉 the establishment will kick in #ShadowGovernment #PassTheTinFoil
Is TM allowed to change tomorrow vote???
I've always thought the whip was nonsense, MPs should be allowed to always speak freely and vote freely, otherwise it's not a fair vote.
If they vote out of line with thier party then they are surely in the wrong party.
She just comes across as a Primary School head teacher from surrey. Her tone and mannerisms in dealing with people remind me of the way a teacher would behave when a 4year old has dropped trou and laid a cable behind the soft play area.
I actually think she is going to pull the pin on the No Deal Exit Grenade and lob it almost out of spite
Witch
If they vote out of line with thier party then they are surely in the wrong party.
not to go too OT but how do we know what the policy of the party is?
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
Hang on I thought he was supposed to be a no-deal hard brexit nutter? Anyway, see my previous comments. I fully expect the commons will now move towards an amended deal including a customs union. If not, it will end up being kicked into the long grass as May has threatened, the end result will be the same. If that still fails then a 2nd referendum or even a new election is on the cards.
On an entirely separate note I have to say it's highly entertaining. I'm really looking forward to the fly-on-the-wall retrospective documentaries in a year or two.
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
OK so I am now blaming STW for changing page before I could drop the punchline
Customer [ringing up a takeway]: “Do you deliver?”
Staff: “No we do lamb, chicken or fish”
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105939822932316162
MV3 and MV4 basically a turd you cannot flush, the black knight who won't get out of the way.... add as you want, in the world of dynamic political leaders who are in tune with the ebb and flow of opinion May is just checking her notes and reading the one speech out over and over again, we don't care her voice has gone, we can just use last weeks
not to go too OT but how do we know what the policy of the party is?
Agreed it's probably a topic for a different thread, but parties have manifestos. If the members don't like it they should defect to a party with a more agreeable manifesto or go indie.
Obviously it's not that simple as they know they are (reletivley) safe if they tow the line and they can continue to cream in the wage and associated benefits.
"On an entirely separate note I have to say it’s highly entertaining. I’m really looking forward to the fly-on-the-wall retrospective documentaries in a year or two."
During one of those 'Oooorrrdeeeerraaaa CLEEEEARRR THE LOBBEEEEEEEE DIVISIONS!!!!!' my year 7 daughter came in and said 'daddy, will they make us study this for GCSE?'
One of her own whips voted against her?
Our comedy government hasn’t been much of a laughing matter of late, but that’s bloody hilarious!!! 😂
She should be in no doubt now how much is left of her authority?
During one of those ‘Oooorrrdeeeerraaaa CLEEEEARRR THE LOBBEEEEEEEE DIVISIONS!!!!!’ my year 7 daughter came in and said ‘daddy, will they make us study this for GCSE?’
Well I'm trying to remember something so massive in UK politics, certainly nothing in my lifetime which didn't result in at least a fall in government or leader in the end. (and I lived in Oz where we changed PM like Chelsea so managers)
my year 7 daughter came in and said ‘daddy, will they make us study this for GCSE?’
Last night my 11 year old asked me why they can't just agree to do what's best for everyone. As with climate change, we really have reached the point where the kids could do a better job than the adults.
It's certainly a good case study for how not to do things hahaha!
One of her own whips voted against her?
and as I tried to find one that wasn't going to be banned...
Simon Clarke MP (Tory Brexiteer) "The choice now is between a bad deal and no Brexit"
He's right - but I can't see them having the bottle to make that decision.
Well I’m trying to remember something so massive in UK politics
Is it just me or will Nicolas Maduro be feeling a little reassured that he's not on his own?
And at the same time , Boris shoots himself once again .