I lived on Gib, as a small child.
Anyway… riddle me this…
Gibraltar is fully part of the UK, according to our government, but it isn't in the Customs Union... yet it's unacceptable for NI to stay in the Customs Union if/when the rUK leaves it... because... it then wouldn't be fully part of the UK? So, can part of the UK be in a different Customs region to the rest of the UK, or not?
Does anyone understand...?
(Is the answer just, "DUP"?)
Can we just go back to the EU's original backstop offer (NI in CU&SM 'till a border free answer is found and agreed in a future FTA), and screw the DUP, Hoey, Boris and a few other outliers in Parliament? Or does Scotland then kick off…?
I would be quite happy for the UK to cast aside the protected tax havens, Gibraltar, IOM, Channel islands etc, all they do is suck money out of the UK's tax take. But again it is easy for the right wing loons too beat the drum of patriotism when talking about them, rather than representing them as the abusive parasites that they actually are.
Don't they have giant queues on the Gibraltar border every so often?
You would think we would already have implemented a non hard border right there if it was so easy.
Can we just take our hats off to Alastair Campbell, who on the Last Leg just described Nigel Farage as ‘a nicotine-stained man-frog’ 😂
Forgot about this. It sums up perfectly all that is wrong with the Tory party.
binners
Can we just take our hats off to Alastair Campbell, who on the Last Leg just described Nigel Farage as ‘a nicotine-stained man-frog’ 😂
Yup. Chapeau. Although he did also describe Blair as a great leader. While I personally might agree with some interpretations of that comment, can't see it playing well with the STW massive.
Nope, bring back Blair, Bush, Campbell, Mandy, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc - our current lot are moronic halfwits. I'd rather have a bunch of rock and roll sociopathic, go big or go home, illegal war starting lunatics at the helm.
The yanks and Brits need to channel some of our noughties confidence....
As per that Torygraph article, why the **** are we Brexiting when we could put Blair back in, stay in, undermine European defense policy and then encourage the Russians to go a bit 1944 on Eastern Europe.
The countries gone wet and scared of it's own shadow, Brexiteerism isn't about harking back to imperial confidence - it's because the whole countries gone ****ing wet and resorted to isolationism.
Now we have
and some senile ex-Stasi weirdo who still thinks its 1979
Although he did also describe Blair as a great leader. While I personally might agree with some interpretations of that comment, can’t see it playing well with the STW massive.
If it wasn't for his propensity for having a bit of a war, I'd have him, Mandelson, various Milibandii, and a smattering of Harman and Blunkett back in a heartbeat over todays mob of cretins. Hell, they could even stick Prescott and Clare Short back in.
Frankly, even the embalmed corpse of Robin Cook would do a better job than Jeremy Bloody Hunt. To think, in pre-Chris Grayling times, we thought that Geoff Hoon was an incompetent figure of fun.
To think, in pre-Chris Grayling times, we thought that Geoff Hoon was an incompetent figure of fun.
That’s a bit of perspective right there!
You’re truly in a parallell universe when they’re seriously talking about a numpty like Dominic Raab as leadership material! Have they somehow managed to miss everything that’s ever come out of his mouth? And his track record of voting against the very Brexit deal he helped negotiate?
Don’t they have giant queues on the Gibraltar border every so often?
The people of Sunderland voted massively to leave the EU. They will be delighted to see their votes having the desired effect.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1091716226819280896
The people of Sunderland voted massively to leave the EU. They will be delighted to see their votes having the desired effect.
I'm trying not to feel smug or vindictive but if anyone was going to suffer the first wave of Brexit consequence I am very glad it is an area that voted brexit in such heavy numbers. Squat in your own shit you bunch of mouthbreathers.
Now I've got that off my chest....in a way the timing of this is good news. It was clearly coming so to get the ball rolling now is a positive if there is any chance of turning the tide and getting the gammons to see the error of their views.
perhaps they should tell us what the government promised them.
Until they lock the factory doors there will be people calling this Project Fear and saying we're better off without the likes of Nissan if they don't believe in unicorns.
The people of Sunderland voted massively to leave the EU. They will be delighted to see their votes having the desired effect.
Ha ****ing Ha!, ignorant ill-educated bullshit brexit unicorn believing **** tards, no sympathy given at all.
I'm almost looking forward to the political shows tomorrow morning so I can watch how this is span into good news (or more likely that it has nothing to do with Brexit).
While I understand the sentiment, the trouble is that it’s not likely to be the people who’ll now be layed off from Nissan who voted for this shit!
They’ll no doubt be highly skilled, and educated like my mate Rob who I mentioned a couple of pages back was Made redundant from JLR on Wednesday.
Channel 4 news did a feature from Northumberland earlier in the week and the people there voting to Leave they interviewed were all the likes of ex-miners and ex-fishermen, all fully paid up lefty, union-supporting Corbyn fans who have this ridiculous notion that leaving the EU will somehow revitalise their part of world
The level of delusion is truly beyond belief! They’re in for one hell of a shock! Things are about to get far far worse.
But as with the rest of the country, we’ll all be sinking with them
it has nothing to do with Brexit
Being balanced the articles do mention reduced demand for diesels, generally weaker sales in Europe, the whole Ghosn affair etc so it's not just brexit. That's enough to spin into a "not our fault" angle.
Also the story relates to future investment not current jobs so no immediate pain for the region. Yet.
While I understand the sentiment, the trouble is that it’s not likely to be the people who’ll now be layed off from Nissan who voted for this shit
Who's getting laid off?
Seems to me an announcement has not been made yet of any sort.
It does look like a lot of your arguments are based on what you think might happen, which is fine but it doesn't make it a fact until it does.
Sunderland is going to lose jobs?
Good. Crocodile tears. All the best to Nissan!
While thats all true, just ask yourself: if you were running a multinational company, and things aren't going great generally, would you think that right now making a massive investment in the UK would be a great idea?
Or maybe you'd opt for a country that hadn't taken leave of its senses?
I know what I'd do.
The Tory's are about to oversea the final phase of their deindustrialisation of the UK, and they really don't ****ing care if that finishes off these regions once and for all and reduces them to post-apocolyptic wastelands.
The fact that they're being waved through by the labour party and have got the turkeys themselves to vote for christmas genuinelly mystifies me though. And depresses me in equal measure
Question guys!
Of we stay in a customs union will that automatically include freedom of movement??
No, that comes with Single Market membership.
Of we stay in a customs union will that automatically include freedom of movement??
Not likely as the EU wouldn't allow it unless we get our best negotiators in again.
Ok, cheers guys. So only benefit would be import/ exports remain similar?
The people of Sunderland
There was a World at One a few weeks back broadcast from Sunderland.
I was driving home and ended up pulling over to listen to it all. Some of the people spoken to left me shaking my head and feeling despair for them. They are either really bloody stupid, short sighted, ignorant or gullible.
Or all of the above.
Found it....
World at One - 18/01/2019 - @bbcradio4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000222n
Apparently we have to go ahead as a 'large populist movement' would happen if we cancel...
The only good thing that might come out of this shitshow is a 'large populist movement' that ensures the tories never ever get near any kind of power again.
Unfortunately I suspect there will be enough stupid people who'll vote for them anyway.
The only good thing that might come out of this shitshow is a ‘large populist movement’ that ensures the tories never ever get near any kind of power again.
Unfortunately I suspect there will be enough stupid people who’ll vote for them anyway.
The absense of a credible alternative is also an issue. The fact that the Labour party isn't even making an impact on them, when they should be 20+ points ahead in any sane world, shows you how much confidence the population has in Corbyn
I know I'll get the usual suspects slagging me off for pointing out how utterly useless he is, but people are looking for a 'credible' alternative. They're looking for an escape route from this nightmare. Corbyn has no interest in providing that. He wants Brexit just as much as IDS and Rees Mogg. For different (equally deluded) reasons, but that won't make much difference as the economy tanks
When Channel 4 did that item from Northumberland earlier this week, they interviwed the Labour MP. A similar 70's throwback dinasaur. He said "I've known Jeremy Corbyn for over 30 years and there's no way he'll have voted to remain"
This guy voted with the government this week. I bet Corbyn wished he was still on the backbenches so he could do the same
Our two main parties are presently 2 cheeks of the same arse. The 'leadership' of them both is unified in their end goal here... Brexit. At petty much any cost
We're truly ****ed!!
The fact that the Labour party isn’t even making an impact on them, when they should be 20+ points ahead in any sane world, shows you how much confidence the population has in Corbyn
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091762049099677697?s=20
If at the next general election everyone voted for their local independent candidate, that would be fun.
Labour will gain protest votes purely because (rightly) everyone hates the cons.
Most voters seemingly aren't aware any other parties exist. Or that Labour aren't just as diabolical as the cons.
Nissan redundancies won’t hit yet, not until the line that bid for the x-trail winds down whatever it was producing (not necessarily the current model). I have several friends and family who work there. They’re cr@pping themselves and have been since the vote.
The people who voted for this (around here) are the “Proudly Ignorant” and not the same as those who work at the plant. The likes of Rt hon The member for Blyth Valley and top gammon twerp Ronnie Campbell, who couldn’t string a coherent sentence together when ordering a fish supper. I can only hope Brexit makes his supply of Statins and aspirin dry up.
Ronnie Campbell was the MP on channel 4 news. A total *ing idiot!
Clearly wants a no deal Brexit, just like his fellow traveller, and equally clueless *-wit Jeremy Corbyn
They belong in the 1970’s, because in their heads that’s where they still are. They haven’t moved on at all.
I’m sure they’re both looking forward to re-establishing British Leyland, post-Brexit and getting the Allegro back in production and re-opening the pits
Yeah I guessed as much. Total hob5hite. He was also one of the 14 rebels the other night.
Allagro? No way. It’ll be Trabants and Wartbergs. None of your modern capitalist monstrosities like Allegros or Ambassadors.
Anyone else been to Costco to stock up on supplies?
Anyone else been to Costco to stock up on supplies?
No but I'm collecting names of those that are. If it all goes to shit I'll just go round and visit them. Win-win.
I think there's plans for Short Brothers to take up the slack making Sunderland Flying Boats again for Coastal Command.
What's a populist movement
Jeremy _unt seems to think not delivering Brexit will create one
the other side then would that also create a populist movement or just a ha ha you lost movement which obviously wouldn't breed any resentment at all
UKIP was a sort of populist movement, but just didn't well enough but I suppose Hunt is talking about that sort of thing. So in other words, a threat to the Tory party who are closest to it.
Harder for a left wing populist movement as generally not as racist, not as willing to blame immigrants etc,.
Depressingly accurate quote from Twitter today:
Brexit is Britain’s Fyre Festival
😡
Minus the bikini babes in the promo shots.
You could argue that the equivalent is the lies written down the side of a bus, when it comes to false promises
And yet there will be NO job loses according to Ian Duncan Smith...
