Maybe we could make a medal that says ” I gave my job for brexit”.
If we can sell them for a quid each we'll be rolling in money.
cant we have a re-join referendum on the 1st April?
Its not a second vote as its a different question , would you like join the EU and let the good times roll?
When Airbus up sticks and tens of thousands of jobs are lost, the likes of Francois are in deep shit. Not every one of those newly unemployed workers is going to swallow the lie that it was all an EU stitch up, in fact I am pretty sure the majority won’t. They will want answers and he will be someone a lot of them will be keen to ask to his face. I hope he’s got a suitcase packed.
If there is any justice the police will cite ‘budgetary constraints’ when he requests round the clock protection. Hopefully they’ll point him in the direction of G4S as they’ve got such a great track record.
The arrogant swine actually think they’re all going to get away with this all of the time. They won’t.
If we rejoin, then I am in all the way - Schengen, Euro, the lot. Purely to piss off the Eurosceptics as much as possible.
When Airbus up sticks and tens of thousands of jobs are lost, the likes of Francois are in deep shit. Not every one of those newly unemployed workers is going to swallow the lie that it was all an EU stitch up, in fact I am pretty sure the majority won’t. They will want answers and he will be someone a lot of them will be keen to ask to his face. I hope he’s got a suitcase packed.
Yep I don’t think hemorrhaging jobs is going to play out well, its very easy for the people without need for a job happily sacrificing others with the old war rhoetric of a bygone world(that you may not have even inhabited ), but if your the worker who’s livelihood has suddenly gone along with a thousand others in the same town 🙁
Times are troublesome we’re definately standing at the crossroads of something.(sound s project fear)
I think on a free vote you would have4 400+ mps vote for staying in the customs union and the single market – so Norway +
Agree, I see that as the outcome. Whether it was worth leaving to do that is another matter though but we (they) are past that stage of thinking.
Agree, I see that as the outcome. Whether it was worth leaving to do that is another matter though but we (they) are past that stage of thinking.
Caught in the lie looking for a way out.
looks like they’re going to have to work longer hours as well.
If we rejoin, then I am in all the way – Schengen, Euro, the lot. Purely to piss off the Eurosceptics as much as possible.
Oh, I want way more than that. I was thinking ‘re-education’ camps on the Cultural Revolution model.
Caught in the lie looking for a way out.
looks like they’re going to have to work longer hours as well.
My heart bleeds. Screw ‘em. To a greater or lesser extent they have all enabled this abomination by running scared of the Daily Mail. So they’re going to have to drop plans at the last minute, work late into the evening at short notice, not see or speak to the kids for a few days. Well, we’ve all had to do that at some point, so......meh get on with it. This is your mess, so-called politicians, so get politicking and do your ****ing job.
Don’t worry folks, Matt Hancock has reassured us all (on Marr this morning) the the imposition of Martial Law on March 29th ‘isn’t the focus’ of government planning, though it remains a possibility
Well, that’s nice to know Matt
mattyfez
Member
I really don’t get how people bring the suggestion of War into the equation.The EU has basically ended all war in the European geographical area.
Look at the rest of the world..
If you completely discount the yugoslavian kerfuffle and the ukrainain square go! 😆 true I guess.
I had the unfortunate 'pleasure' of meeting Mr Francois at a reception when he was a junior Defence minister - he was just your typical puffed-up Whitehall prat. Nothing appears to have changed except he's gained about 5 stone.
I’m assuming he represents a constituency where you could pin a Tory rosette on a baboons arse and it would get elected?
Discussing Brexit last night, as you do, we concluded that the only positive thing to come out of it would be the emergence of lynch mobs to meter out appropriate vengeance on the Brexiteers such as Mr Francois who blithely assured us that everything would be just fine
This Dominic Cummings Blogpost from 2015 foretells the situation we are currently in and how we got here. It seems to me that the only way out is to bin the lot.
OH DEAR, ODEY...
How to describe hedge fund manager and Leave campaign backer Crispin Odey? After looking to make money from Brexit, knowing it would not benefit those he was encouraging to support it, he appears to deserve his nickname of Crispin Odious.
This former mentor of leading Brexiteer Jacob Rees Mogg had been talking the pound down to at least $1. 21, while insisting Britain had to "go on our own". As recently as last August "Odious" told Rueters he would "short" sterling up to 29 March, expecting Brexit would hit the UK economy. A fall in the pound makes imports more expensive and increases the cost of living.
But then, before last week's overwhelming Common's defeat for Theresa May's deal, "Odious" changed his tune. A sudden preference for principle over profit? By a fund manager? No. "Odious" now thought Brexit would not happen, which would mean sterling would rally. So he told the Financial Times he had closed all his "short" positions. Just how big these "shorts" were, or how profitable, is unknown. So much for Britain first.
c/o Private Eye
That Mark Francois interview is a weird one, on the remainer side you have everyone saying what a tool this guy is & the leavers have posted it, talking about him like he's the new messiah...
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1088782296583421952
Genuine question; what is the modern-day bullying that he's referring to?
Guessing he thinks they are trying to make us do what they want. I don't think Francois fully understands the relationship between a country and an international business though.
I don't no wot to fink cos he has a forren name.
Ah, so he's suggesting that Airbus are actually trying to bully the UK into staying in the EU, rather than just reacting to a changing business environment, whilst publicising what effect that changing environment will have?
Sounds like a solid understanding of the situation, to me.
Still, let's keep taking back control, eh...!
In other news, my mam (DM reader, voted leave) admitted last Friday she'd been sold a pup by the leave campaign and had voted the wrong way. There is a smidge of hope.
it appears there is a new scapegoat today, bloody irish stopping us from having our way...
Latest economic survey suggests a whole 11% of people think we'll be better off financially in 12 months time.
Touching naivety by Private Eye on Odey - no point in trying to shame a person who has no shame.
The headlines are still not encouraging. Even those that realise we are making a terrible mistake house a large subset of people who think we can DEMAND that the EU, Ireland, Merkel, whoever help us out of our self-dug hole. They also think we can BLAME them if they don't help us out of our self-dug hole.
Only we can get ourselves out of this without irreparable damage and it will take a necessary amount of admitting we are wrong and apologising. Those are not traits that spring to mind when defining our national psyche.
Latest economic survey suggests a whole 11% of people think we’ll be better off financially in 12 months time.
But 'we' are not leaving to be financially better off.
Also, in 12+ months time most people won't be better off as there will be a wide spread recession starting.
Love the comments on the BBC website regarding this article...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748
People really don't understand supply chains, or importing or exporting. They need to just get behind this & it'll be Ok...
Dear me, the comments on that BBC article are absolutely terrifying. People have no idea, not a scooby do how big commercial enterprises in a regulated environment operate. People saying "ahh we'll just import from USA/Australia" Christ alive how **** thick are people. We literally have information at our fingertips and people are so misinformed.
The level of ignorance is staggering. We're doomed. I need to stop reading stuff like that as it makes me sad and angry.
But ‘we’ are not leaving to be financially better off.
Aren't we? Food is going to be cheaper when we no longer have to trade on the corrupt EU's protectionist tariffs, isn't it? And the EU is holding us back from making great trade deals with emerging economies around the world, isn't it? And when we stop sending billions and billions to the EU, we'll be financially better off, won't we? And when we stop immigrants coming in, lowering the wages for honest British workers, and creaming off all the benefits and being a drain on school and hospital places, we'll be financially better off, won't we?
Or are you saying all of that is total bollocks?
People seem to have missed that the EU don't want us to do well, as they are now our competitor. We've created 300 million extra competitors out of allies.
In other news, my mam (DM reader, voted leave) admitted last Friday she’d been sold a pup by the leave campaign and had voted the wrong way.
… mine too, but she blames Corbyn – I think she believes it was all his idea, and because he 'has bad teeth', as far as I can tell.
There is a smidge of hope.
Not with mine. She shrugs her shoulders and says "well I'll be gone soon anyway, then you'll have to sort it all out".
Thanks, Mum.
People seem to have missed that the EU don’t want us to do well, as they are now our competitor. We’ve created 300 million extra competitors out of allies.
Yep. Brexit supporters portray themselves as 'bold, brave, forward-looking' - but they are not. They're misinformed and misguided, and all their arguments sound naive to me.
And, whatever they're arguing about in parliament today, I'm sure it's going to seem academic when the shelves are half empty and half of us can't get work any more because all the HQs have been moved to Germany, France or the Netherlands.
I wonder if the Brexit supporters will admit they might have got it wrong then? I doubt it. It will still all have been someone else's fault.
People seem to have missed that the EU don’t want us to do well
That is the kind of bollocks spouted by brexiteers, the EU are at worst indifferent to the UK's sucsess outside the EU, in reality their philosophy has always been to grow stronger with partners, they don't see it as a fight to the death where winner takes all (unfortunately we are exposing ourselves to be picked over by countries who do see the world in that manner, such as the USA).
The EU are not trying to punish us, destroy or even hamper the UK in any way, they have offered a more than fair deal, as good as any have outside the bloc. It is the UK's arrogance that is he problem, and we are going to find the world a cold hard place having rejected our closest allies.
So assuming no ammendments get voted through tomorrow (every MP still ahtes every other MPs plans as far as I can tell)
what happens next?
… mine too, but she blames Corbyn – I think she believes it was all his idea, and because he ‘has bad teeth’, as far as I can tell.
She doesn't post on this forum under the name 'binners' does she?
The EU are not trying to punish us, destroy or even hamper the UK in any way
That's not what I meant. Just that we are now competitors, and they'll compete,v as you do with anyone.
It is the UK’s arrogance that is he problem, and we are going to find the world a cold hard place having rejected our closest allies.
We are now the Ronnie Pickering of Europe.
That Mark Francois interview is a weird one, on the remainer side you have everyone saying what a tool this guy is & the leavers have posted it, talking about him like he’s the new messiah…
And that in a nutshell is the reason we are in this mess. Someone can spout Boys Own Adventure / Biggles / Commando comic nonsense about giving the impudent hun a good drubbing and rather than pointing out that those views are about 70 years of date they get lapped up instead.
He was only missing his Help for Heroes t-shirt
It actually sickens me, that the obscene lie that our forefathers fought to for petty nationalists and racists. It is a complete misrepresentation of the truth. The generation that fought took us to Europe, to heal our differences and bring peace and prosperity to a continent, and it worked.
It is these scum beating the jingoistic drums who disgrace the sacrifice made by the wartime generations.
Ok so this is something that I don't understand, but apparently labour are abstaining from voting on the immigration bill today. Is this the bill that removes our rights to move about the EU?
https://www.bbc.com/food/brassica
https://www.bbc.com/food/root_vegetable
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/lamb
Leave recipe book.
Corbyns stated stance is to end freedom of movement. Its one of his red lines just much as it is Mays. No matter what Labour MP's say, when it comes to important votes in the house of commons to do with Brexit Jezza whips his MPs to facilitate the Tory's policy
The fact that the half-wits propping him up carry on going along with this I find genuinelly inexplicable
If you're looking for someone to save us from this upcoming catastrophe, or even make it slightly less bad, don't be looking to the Labour front bench for salvation.
On Brexit, May and Corbyn are two cheeks of the same arse
PrinceJohn
Member
Ok so this is something that I don’t understand, but apparently labour are abstaining from voting on the immigration bill today. Is this the bill that removes our rights to move about the EU?
It's only the second reading- abstaining basically means "we can't wholly support or oppose this", ie there's bits we agree with and bits we don't.
The usual suspects are making a lot of noise over it but it's basically at the "there's going to be a bill about immigration" stage, it's not even been to committee yet let alone amendments. Soubry is making a lot of noise about voting against, because she knows it doesn't matter, frinstance.
I remember someone- possibly Ken Clarke- described voting against a 2nd reading as being like refusing to pick up a pen, because you're worried about what you might write.
I guess more relevantly, this is one of the many laws that we have to pass in order to function after brexit, that we now don't have time to pass before the original A50 deadline.
I’m getting to the point where I can’t watch the news any more. The BBC is just talking about food shortages and some Brexit loon said ‘good! I think it’ll do the country some good to go without for a while’
I mean, where do you even start with that level of total ****-wittery
Maybot was meeting with the swiveleyed contingent tonight to try & get them to vote for the Brady amendment on her deal....
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1089947682632884226?s=19
Ok so this is something that I don’t understand, but apparently labour are abstaining from voting on the immigration bill today. Is this the bill that removes our rights to move about the EU?
Have you been sleeping for the past few years?
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If that is the case then defeat and another vote of no confidence to follow.