SNP and lib-dems have already stated they will not support labour to keep calling votes of no confidence, and she would win anyway. If labour want to do something, they need to do it, just standing by watching the tories **** the country up isn't working. Give us an alternative to get behind, or get out the **** out of the way, and let someone else have a go.
And what exactly can they do? They can't win a vote of no confidence as you say since it makes total sense to the tories to humiliate her in a brexit vote and to prevent the country from working properly, and then vote for her in a no confidence vote. What's he supposed to do, put a stake through her chest?
It's stalemate- the most ridiculous stalemate ever- and the only way Labour can break it is by voting for May's deal. Everything else falls into the same mad Tory kickabout.
It’s stalemate- the most ridiculous stalemate ever- and the only way Labour can break it is by voting for May’s deal. Everything else falls into the same mad Tory kickabout.
The only other option is to get May to resign (and Corbyn) paths laid out as by the Gaurdian above, if she can't pass anything it relies on MP's abandoning party, No Deal means it's first against the wall time for quite a lot of them so the sense of self preservation may kick in.
30 working days of parliament left before the 29th March apparently...
Few more days if they call off the "holiday".
So May is asking everyone to vote for an amendment that offers an ‘alternative’ to the backstop, but won’t tell us what that might actually be? And the EU won’t reopen negotiations anyway?
And this is what passes for governance in this *ed-up country now, is it?
We truly are totally *ed!
So May is asking everyone to vote for an amendment that offers an ‘alternative’ to the backstop, but won’t tell us what that might actually be? And the EU won’t reopen negotiations anyway?
Never look a gift horse in the mouth
Do we know for sure if the Brady amendment has been selected?
And which others?
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The only other option is to get May to resign
Well that should be easy.
Do we know for sure if the Brady amendment has been selected?
And which others?
I think Bercow decides tomorrow which are selected.
So Theresa May is about to try to whip through a massive amendment to a deal she negotiated and spent the last two months telling us was set in stone. Even though it is utterly pointless to do so unilaterally, as the 27 will just tell her to piss off and stop wasting everyone's time.
Perhaps she should just support a further amendment about the EU paying for the MPs' Christmas Party - why not go all in?
Shower of hopeless, gutless, bastards.
Once again just pandering to the ERG headbangers and ignoring everyone else.
She doesn’t even get, even at the 11th hour, that they cannot and will not be placated! They are fundamentalist zealots, totally unwilling to compromise and the only thing they will accept is a no deal Brexit
I’d hate to think this would effect anyone we know or at least I do hope they can move to Paris easily if it does.
Meryl Lynch staff 3 minutes ago:
I heard a snippet this morning about some new immigration bill which sounded like it was similar to powers that could have been enacted under EU FoM rules - anyone got the detail on what the differences are and where we've "taken back control"?
With the new bill they get to strafe dinghies trying to cross the channel from Spitfires, while singing Land of Hope and Glory
I heard a snippet this morning about some new immigration bill which sounded like it was similar to powers that could have been enacted under EU FoM rules – anyone got the detail on what the differences are and where we’ve “taken back control”?
I thought the exact same thing - why aren't journalists holding them to account over this? So this new bill you're voting for is exactly the same as we have been able to do previously? What is the point??
Also - loving this graph...
https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1090163540030377985
So May still thinks she can dictate terms to the EU, it really is farcical just how ignorant and incompetent a person can be, educated and promoted beyond their abilities, the whole ****ing tory front bench.
Don't forget to include the shadow cabinet in that assessment aas well.
I heard a snippet this morning about some new immigration bill which sounded like it was similar to powers that could have been enacted under EU FoM rules – anyone got the detail on what the differences are and where we’ve “taken back control”?
it was very similar indeed, except we still get to lose our rights in the EU
All the ‘solutions’ being offered seem to be even more unicorn-based than before.
And it was achingly predictable that the labour front bench would decline to support Yvette Coopers amendment to prevent a hard Brexit
Two equally clueless bunches of total ****-wits
I’m getting to the point where I can’t watch the news any more. The BBC is just talking about food shortages and some Brexit loon said ‘good! I think it’ll do the country some good to go without for a while’
I mean, where do you even start with that level of total ****-wittery
This. I’m almost embarrassed watching. This mans opinion was given the same billing as a man that said ‘maybe we should look into this before we plough on.’
I remember when I did without food and insulin for 3 days once. 4 days in intensive care, followed by a week on a ward. Halcyon days...
Oh, just thought, maybe they could get Thanos to present his view on how we could deal with food shortages? Simply shoot all the remainers!
Then eat them?
There was a report on TM on Europe 1 this morning. The rest of Europe knows she's not the right person(ality) for the job.
Im not saying that brexiters are ignorant of history but............
Then eat them?
What and corrupt their strong brexiteer souls from the inside?
The rest of Europe knows she’s not the right person(ality) for the job.
So does the UK. The tricky issue is getting all the tories to agree on the right person within just the tory party.
So Corbyn ****ed up the vote on FoM by switching from not-opposing to opposing, because guess what - the youngsters who put him there wanted him to oppose it.
Incompetent buffoon.
Just been listening to the BBC talking about the Malthouse plan for 20 minutes without actually saying what it proposes. Shit reporting.
That Brady amendment is pretty vague, how come no one is questioning the content???
So today will be another wasted day. A lot more negotiating with ourselves, only we are taking it seriously now, honest.
We will possibly go back to the EU with an 'offer' that crosses one of their fundamental red lines and involves them selling a member state down the river to appease a soon-to-be-former member who has lost its marbles. And the EU will rightly say 'no'.
And the UK will say 'but, by golly, look at how much blood, sweat and tears it has taken us to get to a position that is still fundamentally unpalatable to you - so pleeeeease'.
And the EU will say 'no'.
And the Mail will fulminate, the Brexies will blame everyone else and........
Tick........tock..........
Someone is going to have to get a grip soon - but I fear it just won't happen because no one dares upset the nutters.
but I fear it just won’t happen because no one dares upset the nutters.
Unless there is something really subtle being missed here I cant see why anyone but the brexiteer elite would go for this.
Anything which has the ERG saying its not a bad idea is clearly going to **** everyone but them and their pals over. Seems to be a way just to try and get a hard brexit through.
I remember when I did without food and insulin for 3 days once. 4 days in intensive care, followed by a week on a ward. Halcyon days…
Careful what you wish for - at least in the old days you didn't need to have paid into a health insurance policy for the privilege. Give it a couple of years post-Brexit and the safety net will be removed.
That Brady amendment is pretty vague, how come no one is questioning the content???
Because everyone with anything between their ears knows its more pie-in-the-sky nonsense that won't survive first contact with the real world
I other news: the Brexit-voting old giffers may be less keen on a no deal once this becomes apparent. Although its surely the EU just stating the bleeding obvious
British pensioners in EU will lose NHS-covered health care under no-deal Brexit
My local MP married into one of the largest land owning family has the answer.
So it seems Labour are now whipping to support the Cooper amendment. If that gets carried tonight I think the BBC HYS comments section will go into meltdown.
The trouble with Disaster Capitalism is that, by definition, you need a disaster on which to capitalise. The Brexiteer loons therefore won't give up on their No Deal Brexit easily
They know that the EU will take a casual look at this 'proposal' and tell us to **** right off. The ERG know this (as does everyone else), but they're gleefully running the clock down to doomsday. And they have a PM in their pocket who they've held hostage for so long she developed Stockholm Syndrome a long time ago
Blimey! Labour 3 line Whip to support Yvette Cooper!!!
Could this mark a watershed moment where the Labour front bench actually does something useful for the first time in the entire Brexit process? Something that could actually be labelled as 'opposition'?
I agree with many of the sentiments with above on the Brady amendment. It's a "deck chairs on the titanic" moment. The Tories vote to go back and try and change the Irish backstop, which no-one in the 27 wants to change especially the Irish. Waste of time.....
Blimey! Labour 3 line Whip to support Yvette Cooper!!!
Interesting (and good news).
Out of interest, how do you know this?
edit: I really should use Twitter more and 'traditional' new websites less.
Have the amendments to be voted on been announced yet? So far the BBC just seem to be listing those that have been tabled, but not whether any have been accepted.
So it seems Labour are now whipping to support the Cooper amendment.
But pushing for a shorter (useless?) extension than Cooper proposes (maybe because the longer extension would only wash with the EU if it was paired with a possible way out of this mess? Don't mention a referendum including a Remain option).
Have the amendments to be voted on been announced yet? So far the BBC just seem to be listing those that have been tabled, but not whether any have been accepted.
All will be revealed by Badger Bercow at 13:45, I believe.
Blimey! Labour 3 line Whip to support Yvette Cooper!!!
Yes, and only an hour ago you were ranting on about how predictable it is that they wouldn't. Crystal ball need a bit of a clean?