in
* better for the economy
* free movement in Europe
* Global player as tied to one of the worlds largest economies
* Peace in Europe
Leave
* We have to pay to be in it - its about £110 million per week
* too many Immigrants
* loss of sovereignty
* we will be better off if we leave even though every expert says we wont and we have no plan on achieving this.
Our country has benefited enormously in the last 40 years or so of EU membership
Including a massive increase in GDP. OK, not all of that may be down to being part of the EU, but it certainly hasn't held the Country back.
Nail/heads - reminders.
[b]Vote Leave - Lord Owen Gives Speech On BREXIT [/b]
Wake up BritLand!
Wake up BritLand before it's too late!
Wake up BritLand save what you have left ...
plus one - Member
Help me decide
In
Things stay the same, we're still the 5th largest economy in the world
Out
At best 2 years of negotiations till we know what things might change, in the short term will probably stall investment in our economy, after that we might be able to get better deals
Anyone who reckons anything different is full of shit (imho)
Lord Owen says it all.
[b]
Vote OUT
Vote Leave
Vote for your future.
Vote for happiness. [/b]
* Peace in Europe
* loss of sovereignty
two examples of [i]stuff[/i] being said by various people and why I am completely disinterested. Honestly couldn't GAF what happens. I just want this type of stuff to stop so we can get on with it and have real(ish) news again. Threaders with the whole thing.
chewkw, why has your campaign started so late? I don't have time to take on board all these gems before tomorrow.
Does chekw have these phrases as hotlinks, so it seems to make some sense as he mashes the keyboard frothing at the mouth
[b]The writing is on the wall and it comes from the source.
😯
Vote remain = dig own graves. [/b]
chewkw: just as a quick point, posting YouTube videos with "Conspiracy" in the title and repeatedly shouting at people to "Wake Up" is a pretty massive red flag to me. 😆
Chewkw
A bit of advice.......
You are begining to sounding desperate, perhaps you should give it a rest
I still haven't decided, it's all just bullshit being touted by both sides, generally via people whose opinions are worth no more than Jo Bloggs down the pub.
I will vote, but am thinking if undecided then remain is the safer option, we can surely always get out or veto in the future, but there won't be any getting back in.
[b]More Facts!!!! Vote To Leave The EU [/b] ... look at the face of this technocrats! 😆
Honestly couldn't GAF what happens. I just want this type of stuff to stop so we can get on with it and have real(ish) news again
Its interesting that folk care so little about politics as to me this is the biggest vote in my lifetime. Its pretty important stuff IMHO
Not a dig to be very clear as plenty of folk seem to think govt has **** all influence on them
I have never understood that view - again not a dig
Its like hes plugged into some sort of Soviet style Brexit meme generator
Can you filibuster the thread all the way through until the results?
I think you spelt more incorrectly.
With your level of ranting it should be spelt MOAR!!!
Haha making comments about the face of people when you have both Farage and gove on your side is taking things a bit far
"Take back control". In my whole life I have never been governed by anyone I've voted for.
I've never had any control.
Crikey there are 5 EU Presidents where UK has no say ... 😯
BritLand will be doomed if remains! 😯
Its interesting that folk care so little about politics as to me this is the biggest vote in my lifetime. Its pretty important stuff IMHO
I don't disagree necessarily, it could well be. I'm just sick of being fed shit by all concerned. The water is impossibly muddy, everyone seems just to be choosing a side based on their own political leanings which is fair enough, but they are also trying to convince us that they know something the reast of us don't. I'd like to have made an informed decision. I don't feel that it has possible to do so.
One thing I do know is that british politics (including everyone) is a sorry affair.
That is a very accurate assessment. 😛wrecker - Member
One thing I do know is that british politics (including everyone) is a sorry affair.
Including the doubling of GDP. OK, not all of that may be down to being part of the EU, but it certainly hasn't held the Country back.
Adjusting for inflation, in the 18 years before we joined the European Community, GDP increased by ~82% or ~3.38% per year. In the 40 years from joining the European Community up to 2013, GDP increased ~145% or ~2.26% per year. I know which number sounds better to me.
The same numbers can be made to support either argument.
Help me decide ...Can I have a few bullet points in v out please .. Serious/piss take whatever
Can't be any worse than deciding by the endless drivel via media
Ta
ave you seen the film Dredd? That is what Britain will be like in 5 years time if you vote remain.
It's not really that muddy. One side has little or nothing to argue hence the transplant lies. That is crystal clear.
Only one important decisions - VOTE - it really is IMPORTANT
The easy bit/decision is where to put the tick - important and EASY
Lovely to be away for two days to miss the last of BS. Extraordinary to have a debate that made the Scottish referendum look informed......shameful performance from the BSers.
I think chewkw is one of the new generation trollbots 😉
Seriously though, Lord Owen? We've all reckoned he was mad for decades now.
And the gravedigger reference was John Major describing BoJo, Gove and Farage (said Faraj, doesn't rhyme with garage - in case anyone had missed that)
[b]Ex-Norwegian Gov minister, Brits nothing to fear voting Brexit (20Jun16)[/b]
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I think chewkw is one of the new generation trollbots
[b]I am posting all the facts with evidences that say we should leave EU. They are ALL facts and evidences.[/b]
but they are also trying to convince us that they know something the reast of us don't. I'd like to have made an informed decision. I don't feel that it has possible to do so.
One thing I do know is that british politics (including everyone) is a sorry affair.
Its true I think the problem is that Remain has peddled fear to too much an extent - though much of what they say has truth in it but it is massively overstated. As i said elsewhere the only thing not under threat if we leave the EU is my kids piggy bank
Leave have pedalled some sort of optimism for Britain , sovereignty and a sneering attempt to blame immigrants for everything and have given absolutely nothing at all of concrete explanation about what will happen afterwards other than to be optimistic to the point that no one [ who does not support them politically] agrees with them
Its been a terrible debate
I do thin, though this may be my bias, that the real problem is what happens when you have tories v tory as they pedal shit all the time
Labour have been near absent
wrecker, you've hit the nail on the head for me, there just aren't many (any?) facts being published, both sides are both as guilty, it's all just crap, there is no way to make a properly informed decision, it's guess work, or from what I gather based on misheld beliefs about immigration.
It's tempting to vote remain purely to try and counteract the leave votes of millions of unintelligent, neanderthal racists.
The scariest person in all of this (to me at least) is Junker. He strikes me as a petty, vindictive prick who cares little for the UK. I do worry that he'd shaft us given half a chance. There again, I worry about another financial crisis should we leave.
It's just got to the point where I have decided that I'll accept the decision made by the people of Britain and get on with it.
there just aren't many (any?) facts being published
I have absolutely no idea! There might be loads, or very few. Everyone seems to have an agenda, I wouldn't know where to begin. How the hell do you choose between Gove and Billy ****ing Bragg?
Seriously considering not voting in any ballot again.
More Facts!!!! Vote To Leave The EU
Ooh look the same bloke posted this one too
chewkw there you go posting Norwegians again. They are in a position that we cannot be in.
They are outside the EU but have access to the EU market by accepting EU regulation and free movement of people.
Pretty much the entire Leave campaign is based around trying to avoid that.
[b]Even more facts!
More accurate facts!
Much more facts than those from remain camp.[/b]
Steve Hilton responds to Cameron weird statement with positive Brexit message
I don't normally comment on this. But from a purely selfish perspective i am voting in.
A lot of what people say is rumour, speculation mixed with prejudice. However if we vote leave I reckon it is nailed on we will have a recession this year. The markets will be really uncertain, sterling will plummet and major companies will put off investment decisions until the future becomes clearer. I work for a large construction company and basically our turnover is a direct consequence of the levels of investment in the economy. I am 42 and I ****ing don't want 10 years of economic crap.
the UK leaving is unchartered territory so a large amount of uncertainty is surely inevitable. I reckon we will have to chose between a Switz/Norway option where in order to have free access to Europe we still have to pay in and accept free movement of labour (ie this won't solve immigration) or have no real trade deal with the EU and rely on WTO tariff levels. This would solve immigration but it would spell the death knell for virtually all of the UK's engineering sector (cars, planes etc) as these jobs are predicated on cheap and easy access to the European market. The City would be a bit ****ed but some of the "one horse" towns in the provinces would be hollowed out.
Boris Jonson is after a promotion and he is gambling with other people's jobs to get it.
Adjusting for inflation, in the 18 years before we joined the European Community, GDP increased by ~82% or ~3.38% per year. In the 40 years from joining the European Community up to 2013, GDP increased ~145% or ~2.26% per year. I know which number sounds better to me.
Britain joined what was then the European Economic Community in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. By the late 1960s, France, West Germany and Italy — the three founder members closest in size to the UK — produced more per person than it did and the gap grew larger every year. Between 1958, when the EEC was set up, and Britain’s entry in 1973, gross domestic product per head rose 95 per cent in these three countries compared with only 50 per cent in Britain.After becoming an EEC member, Britain slowly began to catch up. Gross domestic product per person has grown faster than Italy, Germany and France in the 42 years since. By 2013, Britain became more prosperous than the average of the three other large European economies for the first time since 1965.
Source: https://next.ft.com/content/202a60c0-cfd8-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377
Ah well. Another interesting thread derailed and spammed to death by chewkw.
Why couldn't you have done this earlier and saved us all 5700-odd posts? 😐
G'night all.
Listen to the facts BritLand ...
The information comes from people in the know.
[b]Lord Digby Jones totally eviscerates Remain Labour MP [/b]
I do worry that he'd shaft us given half a chance.
He will do his job which will be to protect the EU
He certainly wont help us but we wont help the Eu either.
Shafting is just overly emotive IMHO as both sides will do the same thing work in their own self interest which, by necessity, means "shaft the other. Junker is the rule enforcer if you ike. these are the rules of the club accept them or piss off.
it wont be as bad as that but it will be another 5 years of recession/slump/shit possibly lobger depending on what happens in the negotiations
There again, I worry about another financial crisis should we leave.
Without access to the EU, and I agree they are unlikely to do it unless we pay - so in what sense have we left?- then we are pretty much in the shit.
Trusting the British public is the stupidest thing you have ever said on here 😉
Now even the Australian Senator join in to urge BritLand to Vote OUT of EU.
[quote=GrahamS ]Ah well. Another interesting thread derailed and spammed to death by chewkw.
Why couldn't you have done this earlier and saved us all 5700-odd posts?
G'night all.
allows you to block users of your choice
I choose only chewkw for mine
Could've sworn I just saw binbins on yon tellybox 😀
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GrahamS - MemberAren't quotes great
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[b]Michael Caine for "Brexit" and against "White Guilt" in Hollywood. [/b]
Aside from the apparent economic issues (Drum roll please .... ) the remain camps argument is?One side has little or nothing to argue hence the transplant lies.
I suspect it will go very quiet.
From the source.
[b]Brexit guy destroys lefty arguments [/b]
Chewlw
You may be under the impression you are providing informed and accurate infromation to persuade people to support your point of view.
It won't help people decide to vote leave.
Honestly It really doesn't.
It just looks like desperate last minute scaremongering.
