And who would you want doing any negotiating....
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Of course there will be renegotiations if we stay in, and of course Junkers is going to say that's the deal take it or leave it.
That's how the world works and "business types" down the chambers of commerce ought to know that, or I fear for their businesses.
The very idea that the EU has secretly chosen the UK as a dumping ground for all & any refugees, which you have totally failed to back up by the way with any proof, is enough to convince me that you're this guy:
Do try not to spin what people say.
. .And why have you chosen a picture from a recent Ad-campaign in Poland advertising the latest mobile phones?
Good sense of humour though. I like it.
Do try not to spin what people say.
No spin needed.
Yes, I believe there was a plan drawn up in Brussels a few years back. After years of deliberation a strategy was drawn up of where to place new immigrants to the U.K.
A map of the U.K. was produced and the whole map was filled in by a thick marker pen. They pointed to it and said 'that's where we will put them.'
That's pretty much it . . .
Your words.
The very idea that the EU has secretly chosen the UK as a dumping ground for all & any refugees, which you have totally failed to back up by the way with any proof
Don't try and suggest I said anything of the above. Very silly. You have a very vivid , rabid pro-EU imagination . .
The proof is in the pudding.
It's your words quoted from your post! I don't have to suggest anything!
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I am genuinely torn on what to do! I am yet to be convinced by both sides due to the childishness of it all. I am sure I am not alone in this either.
It's your words quoted from your post! I don't have to suggest anything
The very idea that the EU has secretly chosen the UK as a dumping ground for all & any refugees, which you have totally failed to back up by the way with any proof
Mmm, the above totally unrelated to what I said. Secret plans? Refugees? Dumping ground? That's your completely fabricated take on things.
You have the same debating style as Eddie Izzard.
Prof Patrick Minford schools the idiots in Parliament about the EU and trade.
Those thick remainders on the panel are trying to argue ... 😆
Mmm, the above totally unrelated to what I said. Secret plans? Refugees? Dumping ground? That's your completely fabricated take on things.You have the same debating style as Eddie Izzard.
You're just talking sh1t now.
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This is good ...
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Another quote pic for you chewkw:
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Aren't quotes great 🙂
Those thick remainders on the panel are trying to argue ...
Did you watch the video posted earlier from the professor who has spent his working life studying the European Constitution and Britain's part in it. Is he one of the "thick remainders"?
I firmly believe that Junker doesn't want us in. We are a PITA to him, and us being out makes his job easier. It would go some way to explain that the only comments he has made have been negative "traitors will not be welcomed back" "no renegotiation" etc etc.
Not once have I heard him say anything to the effect of "we want the UK to stay, we value you and we believe that we will all be stronger if you vote remain".
IMVHO, putting his arm around us and letting us feel wanted and valued would have been a pretty powerful point. But he didn't.
EU commission interference with the way Poland is run.
[url= http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-2017_en.htm ]Read press release of EU Commission report[/url]
EU commission overrules a democratic decision on water charges in Ireland.
[url= http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/td-accuses-european-commission-of-stunning-hypocrisy-on-water-charges-738184.html ]Irish news paper I guess here.[/url]
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Jezza Paxman has nipped out of retirement for a few K at 9 to pull strange faces for 90mins at his EU themed guests.
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You lose the argument.
They really did not- Please dont drag me into this for I will only post that cat picture.
"I am 150% in favour of having Britain as a constructive member state of the European Union."We need Britain."
the media is biased and only quotes the bad stuff , as he is hated he has largely been silent on the issue. Can you imagine the headlines if he was seen as "telling " us to stay 0 Bully - scaremonger - Nazi headlines everywhere
No person in the EU wants its to split but I bet they are sick to death of us sitting at the edge moaning constantly
😆 another good one ...
Professor Patrick Minford schools Nick Clegg and the BBC on free trade
Fair enough junky, but that was said in what, october of last year? 9 months before the referendum?!?1 People (me included) have short memories. He has huge influence, and (again, IMHO) could have used his profile more constructively to help the remain campaign.
Lies told to Norway before they rejected EU membership
The Norwegians are much braver than the BritLand remainders ... 😆
Of course Juncker's aides quickly clarified chewkw's quote there as a simple mispronunciation by someone who was not speaking in his first language and offered the corrected quote. But where's the fun in that.
http://news.sky.com/story/1569562/did-juncker-say-britain-does-not-need-the-eu
Fair enough junky, but that was said in what, october of last year?
Yep - it was literally the same speech that chewkw's is quoting.
Here comes Jeremy Paxman ... good documentary this. 😆
Paxman in Brussels: Who Really Rules Us? Documentary 2016
Nothing like posting half the story. In relation to chewkw's graph:
We hence count both abstention and negative votes as a failure to publicly support a majority view.
However, one thing to note is the high level of agreement in both periods: the UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 and 86.7% of the time in 2009-15.
These aggregate patterns might be distorted by the fact that there were more votes on some policy issues than on others, with the UK opposed only in areas that happened to have many votes.
However, there are some important caveats to keep in mind:• The council overwhelmingly decides by consensus, which means the UK is on the winning majority side almost 87% of the time.
• The UK government might be more willing than other governments to publicly register its opposition to EU decisions.
• The data does not tell us what went on behind the scenes on each of these issues, and hence how much the UK disagreed with the majority position when it recorded its opposition – perhaps the UK was on the winning side on all the key issues it really cared about in this period.
For a complete picture, this evidence needs to be put together with other evidence from the policy process, such as whether a government actually gets the policies it wants (the subject of the first post in this series), and whether the UK is marginalised in the other main legislative body: the European parliament (which will be addressed in future posts).
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/nov/02/is-uk-winner-or-loser-european-council ]Guardian[/url]
I wonder why you didn't post the source?
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Lifer - MemberNothing like posting half the story. In relation to chewkw's graph:
Sorry laddie I got too much information to roll out so you need to research your information to counter them because those are facts.
The Norwegians are much braver than the BritLand remainders ...
The Norwegians are members of the [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association ]European Free Trade Association[/url], which gains them access to the EU market.
I guess we could rejoin that group (we are former members) but we would need to accept the conditions, like EU regulation and free movement of workers...
I was listening to Prof Minford on the radio the other day. He's quite a good comedy act as well as being very intelligent.
Of course Prof Minford, who is regarded generally as fairly right wing, has been advocating reducing import tariffs whether or not others do the same. He freely admits that we will buy our stuff from manufacturers abroad, but feels that letting UK manufacturing die off is s price worth paying so that we can concentrate on the service industry where we make more profit. For those of you lucky enough that means well paid jobs in financial services - for the less lucky it means serving coffee.
Everything he says is probably about right. It's just not very palatable.
chewkw - Member
Sorry laddie I got too much information to roll out so you need to research your information to counter them because those are facts.
I posted the caveats attached to the graph you posted, from the same article the graph came from.
Big difference is that in Norway they share their wealth . Revenue from gas and oil is shared with the nation . in the the Uk , it is shared between a few multimillionaires .
Here you go the ex-PM that talked about EUSSR sold you out.
EDWARD HEATH Interview in Brussels after singing Treaty with EEC - 24I1972
Chewkw and jambalaya are on the leave side. The two biggest morons on this forum. Even if I knew of no arguments for staying in, this alone would be enough to convince me to vote remain.
Sorry BritLand you have been taken for a ride ... wake up ... 😆
[b]European Union Conspiracy - Britain on the Brink[/b]
He has huge influence, and (again, IMHO) could have used his profile more constructively to help the remain campaign
Possibly but he is also toxic and I dont think it would have helped much to have unelected EB bureaucrats/ foreigners coming over here telling us what to do tbh
What in earth are you folk doing "debating" with chewkw Have you no sense.
More facts ...
Wake up BritLand ... wake up!
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My cousin just described the EU as autocratic after sharing the "out means out" bit by Juncker. Does anyone agree?
Wouldn't say so, essentially they will be protecting themselves by making it hard on us if the vote does go for leave.
For no other reason than to make the other groups wanting to leave back away from the red button
So what you are saying Chekw is that despite still being in the EU we have managed to keep our youth unemployment as one of the lowest in the block?
Is youth unemployment somehow contagious? Will we catch it if we stay in?
Is it like cooties?
More facts ...
Youth Unemployment Still Unrelenting in Europe
Good God, you mean we have lower youth unemployment than most of Europe?
Clearly being in Europe is working well for us then. 😀
Norway's Youth Unemployment is 11.8% if you are interested ([url= http://www.tradingeconomics.com/norway/youth-unemployment-rate ]Source[/url])
How did things look in the 70s then chewk?
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Our country has benefited enormously in the last 40 years or so of EU membership
The influx of Polish binmen certainly helped 🙂
One of those folk say strong leadership when they want to be pleasant and that when they want to be mean. IMHO the PM - of any he- is able to be far more autocratic than any one person in Europe, Europe by design and necessity is not as it requires the ascent o 28 heads of state and the MEP to get anything passed.autocratic after sharing the "out means out" bit by Juncker. Does anyone agree?
GIven we have unelected -literally autocrats- in our systems its very strange that we criticise the EU for a lack of democracy
Its better than we are IMHO.
Help me decide ...
Can I have a few bullet points in v out please .. Serious/piss take whatever 😀
Can't be any worse than deciding by the endless drivel via media
Ta 8)
