There’s no chance of any Tories voting against the govt in a no confidence motion I’m afraid
Then we have deadlock, no new deal, no new options, nothing will change - so are we back here on Monday morning for another vote?
Or do we see the more creative options?
BJ looks knackered
Poor chap. He’d have to go to Europe to euthanised, not legal here.
Nah they can go for the Swiss option.
locum76
UK is dead.
Tick tock, it won't be long...
No confidence vote is a simple majority
There’s no chance of any Tories voting against the govt in a no confidence motion I’m afraid
Unlikely but, given she promised not to lead them into the next GE and they're stuck with her due to their own NC failing, don't underestimatethe greed and stupidity of those who want the crown.
What does tomorrow night’s vote have to be to bring down the government? Is it 2/3rds?
It won’t happen. It will resolve nothing.
They will have to admit that Brexit is fundamentally shit. Johnson is on now saying that this gives the Maybot a mandate to go back to the EU basically saying “look how ****ing barmy we are, we’re holding a gun to our own head and one false move and we’ll shoot”.
The man is a charlatan and a crook.
3 labour members and Frank Field voted for mays deal !
I must say, this is all very entertaining.
we’re holding a gun to our own head and one false move and we’ll shoot
It's worked before
I must say, this is all very entertaining.
It would be if you and I weren’t ultimately the people who are going to pay for this fiasco one way or another.
This may come in useful. Next Winter Survival Guide
littlejohn suggests digging up your lawn to grow them.
It’s a shame about the language in the Blazing Saddles clip as, otherwise, I would be sharing widely.
It is the perfect metaphor. Except the ‘other side’ aren’t the idiots in this one.
It won’t happen. It will resolve nothing.
They will have to admit that Brexit is fundamentally shit. Johnson is on now saying that this gives the Maybot a mandate to go back to the EU basically saying “look how **** barmy we are, we’re holding a gun to our own head and one false move and we’ll shoot”.
The man is a charlatan and a crook.
I know it wont happen. Tories will club together with the boss, but I was just curious to know the % required to bring it down is.
Bloody labour traitors!!! Lost me my bet of her getting under 200 votes 😡
Well the mother of parliaments is now a senile cat women who should be in a care home, if austerity hadn’t closed that option
It’s a shame about the language in the Blazing Saddles clip as, otherwise, I would be sharing widely.
It is the perfect metaphor. Except the ‘other side’ aren’t the idiots in this one.
Or, the EU is the one pretending the to hold the gun to their heads. Letting the UK fools think they have any power in this situation.
Entertaining for some maybe but our company does a lot of trade with Europe so we might have to make layoffs if we suddenly lose 20% of our business. Probably start with the warehouse staff who voted for Brexit - not that they had any idea what they were voting for, generally they just wanted to poke the establishment in the eye.
Or, the EU is the one pretending the to hold the gun to their heads. Letting the UK fools think they have any power in this situation.
Ooooh, or is it a triple bluff?
Problem is, only one ‘side’ has any cards and everyone knows it.
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Agreed. Blair/Cameron stage right with a new moderate party out of the ashes. "
Cameron! "Hi everyone, this is all my fault, now vote for me!"
Bercow!
Outstanding performance.
Brilliant!!
Entertaining for some maybe but our company does a lot of trade with Europe so we might have to make layoffs if we suddenly lose 20% of our business. Probably start with the warehouse staff who voted for Brexit – not that they had any idea what they were voting for, generally they just wanted to poke the establishment in the eye.
We’re all going to pay for this fiasco in one way or another. The lowest price is a bit of overdue national humble pie eating. So a few gammons will have their nose put out of joint, but never mind.
Want to see how your MP voted?
Mine was in the minority! Lol
Mine voted for May's deal, compleat shitbucket that he is.
I hopeTusk hasn’t overplayed his hand there. The key is to let idiots make themselves look stupid with no help.
Oh, look, here’s Chris Failing.
Surely bojo will still want the job tho...even for 5 mins
Grayling sounds like he’s been on the piss!
Which is unlikely as someone asked him to organize the post-vote pissup.
Hillary Benn and others are talking about EEA membership. Is that the same as the Norway deal that we can’t have?
If we can have it how does it differ to what we have and would Corbyn go for it?
Well if there is a snap election, we really need some good independent pro EU candidates for many constituencies, there must be a good shout of dislodging an incumbent if you are the right fit - ie a remain tory in a safe tory seat or vice versa for labour seats, promise to go with the party on everything bar brexit.
Northwind
Cameron! “Hi everyone, this is all my fault, now vote for me!”
I get that, I’m not saying he’s my choice.
Most of those I know would consider Blair/Cameron’s politics moderate. Again, I’m not saying they are, just that’s the view of the majority of people I know. They are crying out for somebody to get behind, and there’s nobody in either party currently that they think ticks that box.
Didn’t the ref come about as a throwback to the Cameron/Clegg era?
There are a lot of people on this thread that know so much more than me about politics (that’s not hard). Like it or not, I think that’s the same for the majority of the electorate.
My MP is John McDonnell... Not much point in looking.
Going to be a close vote tomorrow. Even though the prediction is the Government will win the confidence vote I won't be betting on it.
just do another referendum, with proper choices and make voting compulsory.
How, after that utterly humiliating dismissal of the results of her one reason for being in power … did May still look like she was ready to crack on with the job (that she can't do) … where as Corbyn was just cringeworthy at the dispatch box. Perhaps he is up to the job, and it's just a presentation problem… but he not only left me cold, but my instant reaction was "please god no"… and I voted Labour at the last General Election.
Didn’t the ref come about as a throwback to the Cameron/Clegg era?
Cameron did the referendum because he thought it would unite the tories yes. That in itself should give you an idea of why bringing him back isnt exactly the best idea.
He then went on to lose it because, in part, people were kicking back against the elites like him (and Blair). That is a second reason why you should be thinking it isnt a good idea.
Blair managed to repurpose the Labour party for several years in order to drive his own, mostly, right wing policies with some more left wing social policies either for votes or, arguably, pushed onto him. He then jumped as the votes spiralled downwards. He wouldnt have won the next election (well aside from possibly).
Cameron. Decided to do a Blair on the right. Generally right wing but with some more "left wing" social policies. Pissed off the core voters but just scraped past the line. Then ran away after his reunite plan failed (incidently isnt it odd whilst the brexiteers keep quoting his the people will decide line they dont also use his I will see it through one to demand he returns?)
Put either of them in charge and leave would be laughing. Yes, Rees-Mogg and his fellow hard right pals make either look highly palatable but they are even more willing to lie about it (listen to that interview linked to earlier with Rees-Mogg pretending to take the consumers side).
The "moderates" really arent welcome in most of the country. Until they realise they are a minority we will stay in this mess (in theory I sort of fit the moderate tag aside from I dont have the same belief I am the majority).
Even though the prediction is the Government will win the confidence vote I won’t be betting on it.
They will win. If they lose its general election time which the tories dont want and a fair few of Labour MPs dont either (or other parties come to that) since whoever wins it will be unpredictable what will happen.
They will win. If they lose its general election time which the tories dont want and a fair few of Labour MPs dont either (or other parties come to that) since whoever wins it will be unpredictable what will happen.
Sometimes it's the small things....
May said she would not be leader for the next election, how many tories think that is a better way of forcing a leadership challenge? Get's some of the brexiters exactly what they want and BoJo in charge etc.
To prove a point everyone bar the Tories and DUP will be voting against the government, it doesn't take many MP's to force that, it's not a done deal, factor in a couple of MP's might take this point to step down they owe no loyalty to her.
Wishful thinking Mike. You only had to see Anna Soubry on Channel 4 news being asked if she would vote against & saying "Good God no!" with a look of 'are you completely bonkers' on her face to see that there will not be a Tory revolt on No Confidence.
and
In full: Jean-Claude Juncker reaction
I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
The European Commission, and notably our chief negotiator Michel Barnier, has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout.
I, together with President Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.
The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European Commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared. I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up.
This EU is not for turning.
Which is unlikely as someone asked him to organize the post-vote pissup.
I think the tentative suggestion was that it would be held at Fullers, but different MPs ended up at Meantime, Camden and Pourpure so yeah, unusually badly organised by Chris.
I can't see many tory mps walking through the lobbies with the opposition though some may have dicky tummies and need to sit on the toilet come voting time.
Well said 😉
The EU’s basic line hasn’t changed.
Come back to us when you know what you want and it is a sensible proposal.
That we neither ‘know’ what we ‘want’ or that it cannot, by definition, be sensible is frankly not their problem.
We’re doing this to ourselves and the time to tell the truth is nigh. It is a shit idea and it ain’t happening.
Like it or lump it or piss off somewhere else (the new Brazilian regime might be to your liking). Oh and any breach of the peace and we will nick you. The end.
just do another referendum, with proper choices and make voting compulsory.
they used to have compulsory voting in the ussr you know, didn't change much.
Even as a staunch remainer i can't see any way a second referendum would be anything but a disaster, ask the same question again and assuming you don't get a different answer where did it get you? If you do get a different answer but by anything less than huge majority where do you stop? What do you then tell the significant % of the electorate who do want brexit, sorry you're too dumb to be listened to [by extension by parliament and therefore the main parties]?
Ask a different question (or rather provide different options) and the outcome is a forgone concussion:
A)remain 48%
B)leave no deal (moderate share of 52%)
C)leave MayWay* (moderate share of 52%)
D)leave moon on stick carried aloft by winged unicorns a... (moderate share of 52%)
And so on and no-one on the leave side is going to fall for it and see it as anything other than a robbery.
What we need is a government that's willing to govern say sorry it was all a terrible mistake/sorry no deal is the only option, the biggest (amongst many) issue with the latter one now is we've 2 months to figure out what that looks like and the biggest problem with remaining at this point is it will destroy faith in our democratic process for decades amongst those who we most need to enfranchise leading to years of instability and Parliament usable to function as a result of factionalism and high numbers of single issue parties.
We're on a knife edge but the choice on which way to jump isn't between good and bad, it's between terrible and dire.
*MayWay wouldn't stand a chance of getting on the ballot after defeat in the commons, Shane really as it really did seem a less worse option in a lot of respects.
